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Musk21
08-08-2012, 12:05 PM
Does Nishioka deserve consideration at this point? Who are some other nominees? Terry Felton is probably right up there.

Fatt Crapps
08-08-2012, 12:17 PM
Bret Boone's stint was pretty epic..especially since Gardy used him in the #3 hole.

ShaeTwins
08-08-2012, 12:24 PM
Having been a baseball and Twins fan for just three years, it's tough for me to say just yet, but here are my nominations of the years that I've watched:

Matt Tolbert- Although decent defensively, never had an OBP above .322. I guess considering the expectations and salary, though, it's not like he should have produced a whole lot, unlike Nishioka.

Jim Hoey- Pitched 24 innings last year and had an almost 1:1 BB/K ratio. Aside from the horrendous 10+ ERA that he posted at the beginning of last season, the real kicker is his WHIP of almost 2.00. Once again, though, salary and expectation probably prevents him from being considered the worst, although awful.

Drew Butera- While a lot is often made of his defensive abilities and his (apparent) ability to fix a terrible starting pitcher, Drew has never posted an OBP of .275 or better and holds a career .185/.229/.270, which is just so dreadful it's almost not worth talking about. Makes me wish that there could be a designated hitter for the catcher instead of the pitcher sometimes.

All this being said, however, I don't think any Twin has ever disappointed me like Nishioka has. All the money that it took to bring a Japanese batting champion to the United States has amounted in absolutely nothing but headaches and misery.

stringer bell
08-08-2012, 12:53 PM
I've followed the Twins for a long time. Here's some other names: Willie Norwood, Larry Milbourne, Tommy Herr, Terry Ryan's veteran of the year--Livan Hernandez, Ramon Ortiz, Sidney Ponson, Jason Marquis--Ron Davis, Dave Stevens, Steve Howe, Scott Stahoviak, Rich Becker, and Terry Felton.

jctwins
08-08-2012, 12:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZbKu75baY

rickyhawaii
08-08-2012, 12:57 PM
Warren Morris? I'm not sure what happened to him ,but the Twins released him right away. Matt Kinney, Scott Aldred, Chris Latham.. seems like this could be a mean thread and player "bashing".. gotta respect anyone that makes it to the majors though.

righty8383
08-08-2012, 12:58 PM
rondell white. He had a nice 2nd half in '06. Unfortunately, this caused the Twins to resign him in'07 and he was awful.

J-Dog Dungan
08-08-2012, 01:01 PM
Well, Dick and Bert just expressed their thoughts that Nishi isn't good in the Bigs. Just saying, there aren't many players that earn their seal of disapproval.

rickyhawaii
08-08-2012, 01:02 PM
didn't Becker fall out of favor? wasn't bad with the Twins though, was better than Chad Allen >.> guess i'm a 94' and up fan.. Loved the Pat Meares era..

Thrylos
08-08-2012, 01:03 PM
Terry Felton is probably right up there.

In his 0-13 season, Terry Felton pitched better than Blackburn has the last 2 seasons

greengoblinrulz
08-08-2012, 01:03 PM
No one compared to Scot Aldred

Thrylos
08-08-2012, 01:08 PM
If you look at some of the people who managed at the different levels of the Twins organization and played for the Twins, almost all of them are contenders ... Phil Roof, Tom Nieto, Sal Butera etc. Esp. Phil Roof (who had an OPS around 500-600 and stuck for 6-7 seasons)

rickyhawaii
08-08-2012, 01:18 PM
scott klingenback..

Seth Stohs
08-08-2012, 01:19 PM
I'd be hard-pressed to name a worse player than Nishioka. There have been some bad offensive middle infielders, like Houston Jiminez, but he and others were at least solid defensively. Most of the names above at least had something positive. Like Rich Becker actually took a bunch of walks (and struck out a bunch)...

crarko
08-08-2012, 01:20 PM
The legendary Ron Davis.

nokomismod
08-08-2012, 01:22 PM
I'm sorry, but are you guys forgetting the big man with glass aka Ron Davis!

DPJ
08-08-2012, 01:24 PM
It's Nishi if for nothing else that alot of those names were making league min or damn near close to it. Nishi has cost the Twins 15 million for some of the worst baseball I've ever seen.

crarko
08-08-2012, 01:26 PM
Although on second thought, Tommy Herr deserves consideration as well.

Curt
08-08-2012, 01:30 PM
There are plenty of worse players than Ron Davis, but they are not showcased in high leverage situations and they come and go quickly. If you give points for longevity and the depth of misery caused it has to be RD. He deserves a special place. I'm not an RD hater. Even at the time, I really felt bad for him. He gave it his all every time out but he should not have been closer and there he was for four and one half years. The Twins only contended one of those years, 1984, and RD was a major reason why they did not win the division that year. The RD era is the closest I ever came to understanding what it is like to be a Cubs fan. I will never understand the Twins' commitment to Ron Davis. It was eerie.

MWLFan
08-08-2012, 01:35 PM
So many choices. What made Terry Felton bad was not just his record but the amount of time "Freeze" took between pitches. I think I one time saw Herbie consume three dome dogs, a brat and some Nachos one inning with a man on third. What made that remarkable is Kent was playing first and had to walk up those stairs to the concourse at the dome and then back down. He took so long between pitches Tim McCarver ran out of things to say on broadcasts. But I would go Nishi. Willie Norwood was a awful fielder but had some skill offensively. Klingenback was bad, but it got us rid of Scotty Erickson so a plus for him there. (Scott was not as good as he thought he was during that period. Which was proven in Baltimore. Very Valencia of him.) Adam Johnson comes to mind, 1st rounder that flamed. Matt Moses and BJ Garbe didn't make it to the Majors so they don't count. Houston Jiminez could field but not hit. No Nishi is the perfect storm of hype, money and lack of skill on both sides of the ball.

rinkratfrits
08-08-2012, 01:35 PM
Although on second thought, Tommy Herr deserves consideration as well.


It is without a doubt, Tommy Herr! We gave up Tom Brunanski for him! Ron Davis as a closer is right up there.

rickyhawaii
08-08-2012, 01:36 PM
Butch Huskey? he was hyped upon signing as a free agent and completely tanked.

rickyhawaii
08-08-2012, 01:39 PM
On Ken Griffey Jr. Slugfest Otis Nixon could scale the baggy of the Dome so he's the best virtual twin

savvyspy
08-08-2012, 01:39 PM
Scott Klingenbeck (Mostly because I have his game worn jersey!)

Boom Boom
08-08-2012, 01:44 PM
If this was a foot race Nishioka would be leaving Mike Lamb in the dust.

John Bonnes
08-08-2012, 01:45 PM
There are plenty of worse players than Ron Davis, but they are not showcased in high leverage situations and they come and go quickly. If you give points for longevity and the depth of misery caused it has to be RD. He deserves a special place. I'm not an RD hater. Even at the time, I really felt bad for him. He gave it his all every time out but he should not have been closer and there he was for four and one half years. The Twins only contended one of those years, 1984, and RD was a major reason why they did not win the division that year. The RD era is the closest I ever came to understanding what it is like to be a Cubs fan. I will never understand the Twins' commitment to Ron Davis. It was eerie.

There is RD and then there is everyone else. By the end of that era, Twins fans were walking around like we were in prison camp. We were just waiting for RD to offer us the wrench, the stick or the belt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92D15qtI_Gk

minn55441
08-08-2012, 01:46 PM
Nishi is the perfect storm of hype, money and lack of skill on both sides of the ball.

What a perfect way to word it.

I don't think I can add anything else to the discussion.

alarp33
08-08-2012, 02:05 PM
I'm only 28 so I don't remember watching all of the names on the list, but wouldn't an appropriate question be is he the worst Major League Baseball player ever? Factoring out guys who just played 1 or 2 major league games, and limiting it to position players, I find it hard to believe there has ever been someone as bad as him. He is literally the worst infielder I have ever seen, and rivals Butera as the worst offensive player to come through here in 20 years.

fatbeer
08-08-2012, 02:24 PM
Rich Becker and Scott Stahoviak were alright I'd say Todd Walker and Valencia were worse.

Curt
08-08-2012, 02:25 PM
Reserving the "special place" for Ron Davis... Nishi is completely over-matched and out of his element. It is hard to even imagine the events that led to him appearing in a major league uniform. And now he is getting a second chance? This experiment must end.

Teflon
08-08-2012, 02:29 PM
1842

I was never fond of the Ray Miller as manager era - although it's lack of success did hasten the advent of the Tom Kelly as manager era.

fatbeer
08-08-2012, 02:30 PM
It's amazing how good some of those late 90's lineups were

cr9617
08-08-2012, 02:33 PM
Mike Lamb was awful

fatbeer
08-08-2012, 02:36 PM
How about the greatest minor leaguer of all time Bernardo Brito

Musk21
08-08-2012, 02:46 PM
Ron Davis had some epic blown saves, but if you look at his numbers, he doesn't warrant "Worst Twin Ever" status.

Joe
08-08-2012, 02:49 PM
How the **** does Sean Bergman go unnamed in this thread?!? You all should be ashamed.

LaBombo
08-08-2012, 03:13 PM
How the **** does Sean Bergman go unnamed in this thread?!? You all should be ashamed.

Or Jose Offerman. He's not even top 10 worst Twin material, but it's just so much fun to say 'Awfulman'.

LewFordLives
08-08-2012, 03:22 PM
I've followed the Twins for a long time. Here's some other names: Willie Norwood, Larry Milbourne, Tommy Herr, Terry Ryan's veteran of the year--Livan Hernandez, Ramon Ortiz, Sidney Ponson, Jason Marquis--Ron Davis, Dave Stevens, Steve Howe, Scott Stahoviak, Rich Becker, and Terry Felton.

I would argue that Stevens, Becker, and (gasp)..even Ron Davis had some decent moments. Gotta add Butch Huskey and Mike Lamb to the list.

dougg13
08-08-2012, 03:57 PM
I don't like getting involved in critizing baseball players who have a hundred times the talent I ever had. BUT, I remember watching Cleatus Davidson play thinking, I paid money to watch this guy play! A very small sample size (12 games, 22 at bats), .273 ops. I never forget being a Twin's fan in the mid-late '90s.

Steve_h
08-08-2012, 04:16 PM
It's an interesting question and the answer depends, I guess, on expectations, salary and usage. For Twins manager, no one comes close to Ray Miller. He was a disaster and nearly drove me from being a baseball fan. For position players, I'd list OF Bobby Mitchell, OF in '82-83, playing 183G for .244/.337/.310. Also considered with be OF Billy Beane, 92G, .217/.258/.303. The winner would be 1B/OF David McCarty (with Twins) 167G .226/.275/.310. Pitching, I'd list Carlos Pulido, '03-'04, 19G, 14GS, 3-8 w-l, 5.98 ERA, 3.8 W/9 and 3.8 K/9; and Scott Aldred in '96-97, 8-15 w-l 6.10 ERA, 3.2 w/9 and 4.9 K/9. Willie Banks is mentioned too based up expectations.

GCTF
08-08-2012, 04:51 PM
The legendary Ron Davis.

25+ years since he played for the Twins and seeing his name in print still angers up the blood.

Pius Jefferson
08-08-2012, 04:57 PM
I can't believe no one's mentioned Wally Backman.

A .591 OPS and OPS + of 63 and an ******* to make him even worse.

LaBombo
08-08-2012, 05:09 PM
I can't believe no one's mentioned Wally Backman.

A .591 OPS and OPS + of 63 and an ******* to make him even worse.

+1, but ironically a reason to hate Tommy Herr even more. TH's failure led to the Twins
trading for Backman. At least it was just prospects instead of a popular member
of a WS winner like Brunansky/Herr.

MileHighTwinsFan
08-08-2012, 05:15 PM
David McCarty.

Pius Jefferson
08-08-2012, 05:27 PM
Al Newman was pretty awful.

VATwinsFan
08-08-2012, 05:41 PM
No one compared to Scot Aldred

You obviously never heard of Scott Klingenbeck.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-08-2012, 05:51 PM
Juan Castro, who is still dead last on the Baseball Reference voting thingy.

Joe
08-08-2012, 07:00 PM
SEAN BERGMAN

1843

This would have never happened at BYTO.....

twinzgrl
08-08-2012, 07:12 PM
Some of my nominees are: Tommy Herr, Tony Batista, Henry Blanco, Rondell White, Ruben Sierra, Matt Walbeck, Sidney Ponson, Mike Lamb and Jason Marquis.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
08-08-2012, 07:26 PM
Because of financial commitment I think it's Nishioka. He can't play either of course.

DJSim22
08-08-2012, 07:37 PM
I think it has to be Nishi. No one mentioned Brett Merriman. I agree whole heartedly with Klingbeck, Stahoviak, McCarty, Nieto, Sal Butera.

Which Ortiz sucked? Junior or J.R.? I can't remember.

benchwarmerjim
08-08-2012, 08:43 PM
few good ones mentioned already..how about JD 'the real deal' Durbin, or Luis Ayala. Man, Dusty Hughes was some kind of awful last year. Jason Marquis was worse than Nick Blackburn. And Adam Johnson was pretty terrible for a #2 overall draft pick.

nicksaviking
08-08-2012, 10:11 PM
Need to list everyone the Twins got in the Tim Tueffle trade. Billy Beane, Bill Latham and Joe Klink were all awful. Of course the Tueffle trade led to the promotion of inadaquate Steve Lombardozzi which led to the Brunansky/Herr trade everyone is still upset about.

nokomismod
08-08-2012, 10:46 PM
25+ years since he played for the Twins and seeing his name in print still angers up the blood.
Anger, sadness, heartburn. How many times he broke our hearts and yes I did feel awful for him. No one wanted to be in his pants.
Latroy Hawkins 1.0 as the starter was pretty bad too.

USAFChief
08-08-2012, 10:59 PM
Most damage done? Ron Davis.

But I have to say no player in my 50 years of watching thr Twins has looked as inept over a three game series as Nishioka looked over the past three days. A travesty, a sham, and a mockery of epic proportions. A traveshamockery!

Seriously...when have you seen a major league infielder have a worse series? Multiple errors? Yeah. But this?

Highabove
08-09-2012, 12:02 AM
Does a bad Mascot count??


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hd3qdc3nWUA/R84a3Wx56eI/AAAAAAAACbM/xm6mVMZt0pI/s400/Twinkie%20the%20Loon.jpg

fittdogg
08-09-2012, 12:20 AM
Bob Wells, J.D. Durbin, Michael Restovich, Todd Sears, Dan Perkins, Mike Trombley

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-13-2012, 12:34 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/1045ceu.png

Yoshii
08-13-2012, 12:44 PM
Sidney Ponson has to be up there. I remember I was at the last game he played for the Twins, when he gave up like 10 runs to the bluejays. My cousin and I said **** it by the 5th inning and went to play cards at Canterbury.

righty8383
08-13-2012, 01:37 PM
David McCarty, if not one of the worst Twins was certainly one of the most disappointing considering his draft position and how well he hit in the minors.

Blackjack
08-13-2012, 01:46 PM
Although on second thought, Tommy Herr deserves consideration as well.


It is without a doubt, Tommy Herr! We gave up Tom Brunanski for him! Ron Davis as a closer is right up there.

You took the words right out of my mouth!!! They traded a good player in Bruno to get a malcontent like Herr. Worse than spending 15 million on Nishi.

ashburyjohn
01-10-2013, 06:41 PM
You took the words right out of my mouth!!! They traded a good player in Bruno to get a malcontent like Herr. Worse than spending 15 million on Nishi.

Just to be a little contrary: The Twins finished 1988 at 91-71, after getting off to a horrible 4-10 start while Brunansky was on the roster - so that makes them 87-61 with Herr. No one was going to catch the A's that year, but a 95-win pace doesn't speak of a team torn apart by the trade.

Yes, I'm all over the map on Tommy Herr. :)

Fire Dan Gladden
01-10-2013, 08:29 PM
What about Joe Mauer? He makes way to much money, can't stay on the field, doesn't hit homeruns, and...

Wait a minute...

What thread am I on?

johnnydakota
01-10-2013, 11:37 PM
What about Joe Mauer? He makes way to much money, can't stay on the field, doesn't hit homeruns, and...

Wait a minute...

What thread am I on?

Has there been any player you liked , that played for the Twins? Anouncer, batboy , toilet jockey?

Sarah
01-11-2013, 06:43 PM
I'm not sure this topic was a good idea- it's bringing back some painful memories. :banghead:

Two words: Sean Bergman.

Kobs
01-11-2013, 07:17 PM
Longevity plays a big part here, otherwise the worst player will be a Jim Hoey or Seth Greisinger type.

I would nominate Rondell White, who out up a .620 OPS as a DH.

Rosterman
01-11-2013, 07:55 PM
Adam Johnson, one of the failed high draft picks that did make the majors -- B.J. Garbe, Ryan Mills and Matt Moses...happily we never saw them.

jctwins
01-12-2013, 09:59 AM
I would nominate Rondell White, who out up a .620 OPS as a DH.

You know he was Hall eligible in this vote, right?

FrodaddyG
01-12-2013, 10:32 AM
Does Ozzie Conseco count in this contest?

woolywoolhouse
01-12-2013, 10:38 AM
What about Clete Thomas's cameo appearance in 2012? Or does the homerun he hit in his second at-bat count against the strike-outs he compiled in his three-week stint in right?

Top Gun
01-12-2013, 11:12 AM
Nishioka has got to be the worst. Herr nobody like even before he got on the field. I kind of like Davis but he did lay it in there.