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Brock Beauchamp
08-07-2012, 12:57 PM
With the season about to get underway, we thought it was a good idea to create a place to talk specifically about the Vikings and the NFL in general.

Now talk.

TheLeviathan
08-07-2012, 01:18 PM
I believe the best way to start this forum off is to wish serious bodily harm to Christian Ponder in hopes that another awful season will land us a legit NFL QB like Barkley and not Pennington the Second.

Brock Beauchamp
08-07-2012, 01:22 PM
I believe the best way to start this forum off is to wish serious bodily harm to Christian Ponder in hopes that another awful season will land us a legit NFL QB like Barkley and not Pennington the Second.

As an outsider looking in, it's always comical to see Vikings fans wish for an awful season so they can go draft another quarterback.

Fatt Crapps
08-07-2012, 01:29 PM
Oh come on guys. Haven't you heard the reports that he's "light-years" ahead of last year? Super Bowl or bust!!

Fatt Crapps
08-07-2012, 02:34 PM
Remember when Joe Webb single-handedly won a game in 2010? (A loss would've netted them Patrick Peterson instead of the almighty Ponder)

Remember when he did it again last year? (Would've received multiple picks from the Redskins, or just kept RG3) If you're trying to rebuild a franchise, why in the hell do you attempt to win that absolutely meaningless game? And what other franchise would rush their best player back with 2 games remaining and a 2-12 record when he's not close to 100%?

fatbeer
08-07-2012, 05:27 PM
Never use early 1st round picks on QB's. For every Peyton Manning theres 2 Akili Smiths. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rogers can be had without being fools.

TheLeviathan
08-07-2012, 06:11 PM
As an outsider looking in, it's always comical to see Vikings fans wish for an awful season so they can go draft another quarterback.

Yeah, it's a revolving door alright - but god do I hate that pick of Ponder.

Kobs
08-07-2012, 06:58 PM
I always thought this was a bit dumb in the old place, why not just make this a football forum?

Brock Beauchamp
08-07-2012, 07:24 PM
I always thought this was a bit dumb in the old place, why not just make this a football forum?

That's basically what it is. There won't be an NFL forum.

Badsmerf
08-07-2012, 10:36 PM
Yeah, it's a revolving door alright - but god do I hate that pick of Ponder.

As do I. Unfortunately, we are going to be force fed the BS that he is legit and made strides in the offseason. Whatever. I would take Farve now over Ponder.

DPJ
08-08-2012, 07:46 AM
Never use early 1st round picks on QB's. For every Peyton Manning theres 2 Akili Smiths. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rogers can be had without being fools.

Yeah cause it's just so easy to luck into a Brady, Breese and Rogers.

TheLeviathan
08-08-2012, 08:14 AM
As do I. Unfortunately, we are going to be force fed the BS that he is legit and made strides in the offseason. Whatever. I would take Farve now over Ponder.

That's why I think only bodily harm to Ponder can save us. Wanna flip the coin for which one of us is Tanya Harding and which is Shane Stant?

DPJ
08-08-2012, 08:54 AM
That's why I think only bodily harm to Ponder can save us. Wanna flip the coin for which one of us is Tanya Harding and which is Shane Stant?

You should be rooting for Ponder to stay healthy and just suck as he more then likely will. If he gets hurt then the fron office is just gonna give him another season and a bunch of excuses.

I'm rooting for Ponder to stay healthy, start all 16 and make Tarvaris look like Johnny U.

fatbeer
08-08-2012, 09:25 AM
Yeah cause it's just so easy to luck into a Brady, Breese and Rogers.

The point is there are just as many elite later picked QB's as elite top 5 pick QB's. If you have a top 5 pick you can not skrew it up and drafting a QB is the easiest way to skrew it up.

DPJ
08-08-2012, 09:28 AM
The point is there are just as many elite later picked QB's as elite top 5 pick QB's. If you have a top 5 pick you can not skrew it up and drafting a QB is the easiest way to skrew it up.

Huh?

fatbeer
08-08-2012, 11:47 AM
Huh?

Sometimes QB's taken in the top 5 aren't very good at football for example Rick Mirer, Akili Smith, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russle, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch. I'm sick of 35 year old's finishing there career as Vikings, but that approach is actually very logical. Drafting QB's is like drafting goalies in hockey, unless they are hall of famers or close to it they are a waste of a pick.

DPJ
08-08-2012, 12:15 PM
Sometimes QB's taken in the top 5 aren't very good at football for example Rick Mirer, Akili Smith, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russle, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch. I'm sick of 35 year old's finishing there career as Vikings, but that approach is actually very logical. Drafting QB's is like drafting goalies in hockey, unless they are hall of famers or close to it they are a waste of a pick.

That's the worst logic I've ever heard not to draft a certain position. I don't care what the bust propobility is, if Andrew Luck, RG3, Newton, Bradford or whatever top ranking QB is on the board and you need one a QB...you take him.

fatbeer
08-08-2012, 01:26 PM
It's only bad logic if theres no other way to get pro bowl QB play. The Vikings have proven thats not the case. It's a scarce position, but it's not like elite starting pitching or elite goal scorers in hockey or elite point guards. I can live with using 2nd round picks on QB's until one hit's but you can't use two first round picks on QB's in 3 years. The kid from USC is not in the same class as Luck Newton or RG3. He'll be picked #1 because the best QB always is if he's at least competent, but he's probably not a top 10 pick talent. The best approach is to trade down a few spots take and the QB if he's still there, but overvaluing a guy because you hope he's on your roster 8 years down the line is silly.

DPJ
08-08-2012, 02:20 PM
It's only bad logic if theres no other way to get pro bowl QB play. The Vikings have proven thats not the case. It's a scarce position, but it's not like elite starting pitching or elite goal scorers in hockey or elite point guards. I can live with using 2nd round picks on QB's until one hit's but you can't use two first round picks on QB's in 3 years. The kid from USC is not in the same class as Luck Newton or RG3. He'll be picked #1 because the best QB always is if he's at least competent, but he's probably not a top 10 pick talent. The best approach is to trade down a few spots take and the QB if he's still there, but overvaluing a guy because you hope he's on your roster 8 years down the line is silly.

How the hell else go you get elite QB play then drafting them? Elite QB's don't hit the open market and the Farve's of the world just don't fall into a teams lap to play outta his mind for a season. The bottom line is top ranked QB's in the draft more often turn into elite QB's then the guys in the 2nd round and beyond. Yes the Brese and Brady of the world are always gonna exist and yes the Smith, Carr, Russel, Harrington of the world are always gonna exist...but the Mannings, Big Ben, Stafford, Ryan, Flacco, Rivers, Vick and gang of other early first round QB's says otherwise.

fatbeer
08-08-2012, 03:02 PM
The Vikings have proven for 20 years there always proven QB's available.

DPJ
08-08-2012, 04:24 PM
The Vikings have proven for 20 years there always proven QB's available.

And they have what to show for it...a couple of choke jobs in NFC Championship games?

NTM the game is different now, it's a QB driven league. The days of surrounding enough talent around a Brad Johnson or Cunningham are over.

TheLeviathan
08-09-2012, 10:00 AM
And they have what to show for it...a couple of choke jobs in NFC Championship games?

NTM the game is different now, it's a QB driven league. The days of surrounding enough talent around a Brad Johnson or Cunningham are over.

Exactly. You either have a great QB or you have no chance. Sorry, it's the sad fate of the NFL we live in.

Fatt Crapps
08-11-2012, 12:13 PM
"John Sullivan, one of the best centers in the league.." - Paul Allen

Reginald Maudling's Shin
08-11-2012, 05:31 PM
That's why I think only bodily harm to Ponder can save us. Wanna flip the coin for which one of us is Tanya Harding and which is Shane Stant?

You should be rooting for Ponder to stay healthy and just suck as he more then likely will. If he gets hurt then the fron office is just gonna give him another season and a bunch of excuses.

I'm rooting for Ponder to stay healthy, start all 16 and make Tarvaris look like Johnny U.

Yeah, they're going to give him 2 more years at least. Injuries would only prolong the evaluation period.
I don't know if Ponder will be any good or not, and with this bastard remnant of the kickass offense where they refuse to throw the ball down field nobody else will know until his contract is up. I'm sure he looks awesome in practice against Viking defensive backs though.

I have a better scenario: Ponder looks terrible first 5 games, Frazier flips out and goes to Joe Webb, who sucks equally. The rest of the year plays out with musical chairs lousy QBs, the Wilfs clean house and hire someone to hire someone to run the show.

BTW why do you fire a coach and keep his top assistant? Who does that? (Sorry that's last years argument but still frustrating.)

Gernzy
08-13-2012, 10:13 AM
I don't get all the hate for Ponder. He only played half of the season and he wasn't terrible! This season will be make or break for him, but at least give him a chance. You're writing him off before he can show what he can do with a full off-season under his belt.

DPJ
08-13-2012, 11:03 AM
I don't get all the hate for Ponder. He only played half of the season and he wasn't terrible! This season will be make or break for him, but at least give him a chance. You're writing him off before he can show what he can do with a full off-season under his belt.

I never thought Ponder should have been drafted as high as he was. The Vikings locked in on the QB and hell or high water they were gonna draft one even though there were better players on the board still.

Bad pick, bad qb...I just want him to fail in spectacular fashion so the Vikings will realize he's worthless and move on.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-13-2012, 02:36 PM
I don't get all the hate for Ponder. He only played half of the season and he wasn't terrible! This season will be make or break for him, but at least give him a chance. You're writing him off before he can show what he can do with a full off-season under his belt.

I don't get it either, yes he was a reach in the draft. But you will soon learn that people like Lev and DPJ will root against him every chance they get, just because he was a reach when they drafted him.

Don't get me wrong, I am very skeptical with what Ponder can bring to the table, but I at least want to give him a season before I declare him a guy with no future.

TheLeviathan
08-13-2012, 09:51 PM
I don't get all the hate for Ponder. He only played half of the season and he wasn't terrible! This season will be make or break for him, but at least give him a chance. You're writing him off before he can show what he can do with a full off-season under his belt.

I don't get it either, yes he was a reach in the draft. But you will soon learn that people like Lev and DPJ will root against him every chance they get, just because he was a reach when they drafted him.

Don't get me wrong, I am very skeptical with what Ponder can bring to the table, but I at least want to give him a season before I declare him a guy with no future.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But this is a guy with injury problems, a questionable arm, and happy feet. I'm not encouraged. In a league this QB-driven, anything short of a stud is a waste of time.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-14-2012, 01:42 AM
I don't get all the hate for Ponder. He only played half of the season and he wasn't terrible! This season will be make or break for him, but at least give him a chance. You're writing him off before he can show what he can do with a full off-season under his belt.

I don't get it either, yes he was a reach in the draft. But you will soon learn that people like Lev and DPJ will root against him every chance they get, just because he was a reach when they drafted him.

Don't get me wrong, I am very skeptical with what Ponder can bring to the table, but I at least want to give him a season before I declare him a guy with no future.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But this is a guy with injury problems, a questionable arm, and happy feet. I'm not encouraged. In a league this QB-driven, anything short of a stud is a waste of time.

I just don't get the point in actively saying how awful he is all the time. In reality we have no idea how he will preform, the odds are stacked against him no doubt, but he still could become a solid QB, QB's in the NFL honestly are tough to predict.

I don't think anyone is claming that Ponder was some great pick, but at this point he is the best drafted QB we have grabbed in quite some time! Might as well give him a shot.

The whole "you need an elite QB to win a super bowl" may not be totally correct, its just heavily weighted since Brady and Eli (who considred him elite before the playoffs last year?) have won a ton of those over the past decade.

anthonyq77
08-22-2012, 01:30 AM
Eli is not an elite QB. I'm sorry but being good enough in close games with a great team around you does not ELITE make. Peyton is 10 times the qb that Eli could ever wish to be.

DPJ
08-22-2012, 08:04 AM
Eli is not an elite QB. I'm sorry but being good enough in close games with a great team around you does not ELITE make. Peyton is 10 times the qb that Eli could ever wish to be.

Eli's entire body of work might not scream elite QB in the Peyton, Brady, Breese class. But for a playoff run in 2007 and 2011 he was up there with any QB in the league. And funny how the the Giants are a medicore team while Eli is playing average QB, but then he guess crazy in the postseason and you have a Super Bowl winning team.

Teams live and die by their QB's now a days. Hell who even cares about defense anymore, the two worst defensive teams in the league last season were the #1 seeds going into the postseason. If you don't have elite QB in this league you have no chance at winning a Super Bowl.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-22-2012, 08:45 AM
I would argue that Rapesligberger is not "elite" yet continues to make and win super bowls.
You can build a super bowl caliber team around defense these days, it's just hard to do.

Also the Ravens and 49ers were each one fluke play away from the super bowl last year as well, both have pretty ho-hum QB's. I think Ponder could become as good as an Alex Smith or Joe Flacco some day if things break right.

DPJ
08-22-2012, 09:02 AM
I would argue that Rapesligberger is not "elite" yet continues to make and win super bowls.
You can build a super bowl caliber team around defense these days, it's just hard to do.

Also the Ravens and 49ers were each one fluke play away from the super bowl last year as well, both have pretty ho-hum QB's. I think Ponder could become as good as an Alex Smith or Joe Flacco some day if things break right.

The first Super Bowl I will admit that the Steelers team carried him, but the second Super Bowl Big Ben was damn good. NTM since he came back some smashing his face on the ground, Ben has been a damn good QB. Not in the Manning, Brady, Rogers class, but pretty damn good and good enough to win a Super Bowl with.

One fluke play yes, but at the end of the day if the 49ers would have got even decent play outta Smith they would have blown the Giants away. But Smith played like crap and even a great defense can hold a team down for so long. Flacco has been a bit better then ho-hum the last couple seasons and he was great in the postseason last year. Good enough to win that game.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-22-2012, 10:14 AM
Exactly, but Flacco isn't some "elite" QB, he is a good QB. Somewhere around the 10-12 range. The notion that you need a Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Manning type to compete in this league is incorrect.

There is no reason if things don't break right that Ponder can't eventually get into that range as well. Of course it would help if he wasn't surrounded by the worst WR and TE corp in football...

DPJ
08-22-2012, 10:28 AM
We had to talk over to BYTO and it was broken down into two groups. At the end of the day I think we agreed on 8 QB's that you can win a Super Bowl with now.

Group A: Brady, Rogers, Brees & the Mannings
Group B: Big Ben, Rivers & Stafford

Now clearly over time things will change, hell I personally think Peyton is done but I'll leave him in here for now. But could a Romo, Flacco, Ryan or Newton creep into Group B...ofcourse. But one of these 8 guys are more then likely gonna win the Super Bowl this season and it's cause they're the best QB's in the league and teams are driven by great QB play. You can compete without elite play, but you ain't winning a Super Bowl without it.

B Richard
08-22-2012, 09:49 PM
We had to talk over to BYTO and it was broken down into two groups. At the end of the day I think we agreed on 8 QB's that you can win a Super Bowl with now.

Group A: Brady, Rogers, Brees & the Mannings
Group B: Big Ben, Rivers & Stafford

Now clearly over time things will change, hell I personally think Peyton is done but I'll leave him in here for now. But could a Romo, Flacco, Ryan or Newton creep into Group B...ofcourse. But one of these 8 guys are more then likely gonna win the Super Bowl this season and it's cause they're the best QB's in the league and teams are driven by great QB play. You can compete without elite play, but you ain't winning a Super Bowl without it.


Not sure Big Ben belongs in Group B- I'd put him a notch below. Say what you want about the Steelers' O-Line, every time I turn around I swear Ben is getting sacked. His lack of mobility and his knack for racking up minor injuries. I'll any of the other guys over him. And what about Vick? His health is a big IF, but all things being equal, I think he is as good as most of the QBs listed above.

diehardtwinsfan
08-23-2012, 01:39 PM
Never use early 1st round picks on QB's. For every Peyton Manning theres 2 Akili Smiths. Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rogers can be had without being fools.

Rogers was a first round pick... just saying... He was considered top 10 and fell. Brees was a 2nd rounder too, not as though he was a gem found in the 7th like Brady.

diehardtwinsfan
08-23-2012, 01:41 PM
As do I. Unfortunately, we are going to be force fed the BS that he is legit and made strides in the offseason. Whatever. I would take Farve now over Ponder.

That's why I think only bodily harm to Ponder can save us. Wanna flip the coin for which one of us is Tanya Harding and which is Shane Stant?

Funny story about this. I ended up working with Shawn Eckhart (though he had assumed a different name) for a brief period of time until he was essentially let go for incompetence... He died not long after that and his family threatened to sue my former employer.

diehardtwinsfan
08-23-2012, 01:46 PM
Huh?

Sometimes QB's taken in the top 5 aren't very good at football for example Rick Mirer, Akili Smith, Alex Smith, JaMarcus Russle, Ryan Leaf, Vince Young, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch. I'm sick of 35 year old's finishing there career as Vikings, but that approach is actually very logical. Drafting QB's is like drafting goalies in hockey, unless they are hall of famers or close to it they are a waste of a pick.

Is it that they are bad at football or other things. Wasn't it Montana or Young that said that they would have been a bust had the Raiders taken them instead? A QB will often shine if the system maximizes his strengths. As well, I'd argue that a lot of guys on this list failed not because they sucked at football and no one noticed, but because they had jack squat for a line and got their bell rung so many times that they couldn't play well. To me, this is teh danger of burning the first rounder on a QB. If your line sucks, you'd better have someone take hits for your QB year 1 until you can improve it.

I agree that you shoudl sick of 35 year olds finishing their career in MN, as am I, but getting the sexy pick without fixing the line is far more likely to yield a Tim Couch than a Matt Stafford.

diehardtwinsfan
08-23-2012, 01:50 PM
Eli is not an elite QB. I'm sorry but being good enough in close games with a great team around you does not ELITE make. Peyton is 10 times the qb that Eli could ever wish to be.

Eli's entire body of work might not scream elite QB in the Peyton, Brady, Breese class. But for a playoff run in 2007 and 2011 he was up there with any QB in the league. And funny how the the Giants are a medicore team while Eli is playing average QB, but then he guess crazy in the postseason and you have a Super Bowl winning team.

Teams live and die by their QB's now a days. Hell who even cares about defense anymore, the two worst defensive teams in the league last season were the #1 seeds going into the postseason. If you don't have elite QB in this league you have no chance at winning a Super Bowl.

The Giants went crazy when their defense came together. That may have helped Eli a bit, but it was that front four in particular that pushed them fringe to SB team.

DPJ
08-23-2012, 03:01 PM
The Giants went crazy when their defense came together. That may have helped Eli a bit, but it was that front four in particular that pushed them fringe to SB team.

Hmmm...lets see what meant more to the Giants winning the Super Bowl. Manning completing 65% of his passes, throwing 9 TD to 1 INT and having a QB rating of 103.

Or the Giants very good Dline...I'll take Eli thank you very much.

diehardtwinsfan
08-23-2012, 03:32 PM
There's no way the Giants win that game if their defense doesn't step up... just sayin. The packer's offense was ridiculous and the Giants rendered them limp...

DPJ
08-23-2012, 05:57 PM
There's no way the Giants win that game if their defense doesn't step up... just sayin. The packer's offense was ridiculous and the Giants rendered them limp...

Well yeah ofcourse, no QB is gonna win a game singlehandly. But if it comes down to having an elite Qb or an elite D-line any sane person will take the QB and it's not even close.

TheLeviathan
08-24-2012, 10:07 PM
Hmmm...lets see what meant more to the Giants winning the Super Bowl. Manning completing 65% of his passes, throwing 9 TD to 1 INT and having a QB rating of 103.

Or the Giants very good Dline...I'll take Eli thank you very much.

QB elite play is pretty much essential to win now....BUT, I don't think there is any question that their first championship was won by a defensive line that ravaged an undefeated team in a way they hadn't experienced that season.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-24-2012, 08:02 AM
Vikings looked really good yesterday, 2-1 now, wish we were 3-0 but can't complain to much. 7-9 or 8-8 looks very possible at this point.

Ponder without a doubt has looked pretty damn impressive thus far completeing like 70% of his throws and having 0 Ints. It will be interesting to see how much the passing game improves with Simpson comimg back, besides Harvin and Rudoplh the rest of the WR/TE's have been atrocious thus far (Armashdou whatever his name is, looks like a decent enough #3 though i guess)

TheLeviathan
09-24-2012, 05:34 PM
Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-24-2012, 09:01 PM
Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

Any thoughts on all those Toby fumbles? With Peterson back at 100% and them using Harvin out of the backfield 3-4 times a game, is it even worth having Toby on the roster? Too bad we can't showcase him a bit then trade him for a 3rd rounder or a WR or something. I think Toby could actually be a solid asset for a number of teams in the league (maybe not a starter, but a 50/50 type guy on a team without any elite RB's)

biggentleben
09-24-2012, 09:36 PM
Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

Any thoughts on all those Toby fumbles? With Peterson back at 100% and them using Harvin out of the backfield 3-4 times a game, is it even worth having Toby on the roster? Too bad we can't showcase him a bit then trade him for a 3rd rounder or a WR or something. I think Toby could actually be a solid asset for a number of teams in the league (maybe not a starter, but a 50/50 type guy on a team without any elite RB's)

Gerhart is a must. Harbaugh was his college coach and just may have known a particular flaw in his running that left the ball exposed more than usual. He was caught mouthing something to the effect of "I can't believe he did it again!" after the third fumble, so he may have been trying to go after Gerhart. I did feel it was poor form to have Gerhart back in there after the 2nd fumble. Regardless, Gerhart is a must on the team. He's a decent blocker, he's got good hands in the passing game, and you simply cannot go without another possible bell cow back on your roster, no matter how healthy the starter is at that moment.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-25-2012, 12:49 AM
Ponder has been better, but let's face it - most of his production the first two weeks were when the defenses backed off. The Niners game was much more impressive all around for him though.

Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

Any thoughts on all those Toby fumbles? With Peterson back at 100% and them using Harvin out of the backfield 3-4 times a game, is it even worth having Toby on the roster? Too bad we can't showcase him a bit then trade him for a 3rd rounder or a WR or something. I think Toby could actually be a solid asset for a number of teams in the league (maybe not a starter, but a 50/50 type guy on a team without any elite RB's)

Gerhart is a must. Harbaugh was his college coach and just may have known a particular flaw in his running that left the ball exposed more than usual. He was caught mouthing something to the effect of "I can't believe he did it again!" after the third fumble, so he may have been trying to go after Gerhart. I did feel it was poor form to have Gerhart back in there after the 2nd fumble. Regardless, Gerhart is a must on the team. He's a decent blocker, he's got good hands in the passing game, and you simply cannot go without another possible bell cow back on your roster, no matter how healthy the starter is at that moment.

Adrian Peterson isn't your typical starting RB, the dude is a workhorse who can literally be in 90% of the snaps, the other 10% can be handled fine by Harvin. Toby seems like to good of a talent to rot on the bench for 5 meaningless carries a game, there are plenty of guys the Vikes could bring in to handle that "load", I'd prefer to trade Toby while he still has value and get a decent pick or player back in return.

I get having depth is nice, but if Peterson gets hurt the VIkes are screwed regardless of if Toby is the back up or not.

TheLeviathan
09-25-2012, 06:30 AM
Make backhanded compliments all you want, the dude has the 4th or 5th highest QB rating in all of football, and has yet to make any real harmful mistakes. The most encouraging thing is he appears to be improving each and every game. The guy will never be a Brees/Rogers/Brady type, but could end up being a damn fine QB for us moving forward.

It's not a backhanded compliment - it's reality. Stinking for three quarters against the pitiful Colts defense is every bit as big a problem as his success against San Fran was a positive. He's played one good game - which is pretty much as many as he played last year too. The lack of turnovers is definitely a plus, but this team should have been 0-2 in large part because of his poor play the first two games. I'll wait until he's had at least another 49er game before getting too excited.

TheLeviathan
09-30-2012, 03:06 PM
Jesus....this team is 3-1? Wow...Ponder looked awful, but they got it done!