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Brock Beauchamp
08-05-2012, 09:39 AM
Twins:
Revere CF
Mastroianni RF
Mauer C
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Doumit DH
Dozier SS
Casilla 2B
Carroll 3B
(Blackburn P)

Red Sox:
Ellsbury CF
Crawford LF
Pedroia 2B
Gonzalez 1B
Ross DH
Saltalamacchia C
Middlebrooks 3B
Kalish RF
Aviles SS
(Morales P)

stringer bell
08-05-2012, 11:26 AM
Casilla over Valencia and a day off for Span.

Chance
08-05-2012, 11:47 AM
I have zero faith in blacky anymore. With that said I hope he pitches another 8 innings of 2 run ball.

Brock Beauchamp
08-05-2012, 11:51 AM
I have zero faith in blacky anymore. With that said I hope he pitches another 8 innings of 2 run ball.

I think we'll know what kind of day it'll be for Blackburn by the end of the first. Fenway and the Red Sox lineup isn't exactly forgiving of sinkerballers whose sinkers aren't sinking.

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 12:19 PM
It took roughly a week for Valencia to play himself out of the lineup again.

crapforks
08-05-2012, 12:50 PM
Has there been a day with all three of the Twins catchers in the lineup at once yet? Had to be, right?

GCTF
08-05-2012, 01:04 PM
Has there been a day with all three of the Twins catchers in the lineup at once yet? Had to be, right?

Yup, July 23.

http://twinsdaily.com/showthread.php?2393-Article-Twins-vs-White-Sox-07-23-2012-7-10pm

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 01:06 PM
Has there been a day with all three of the Twins catchers in the lineup at once yet? Had to be, right?

May 8th and 9th, at home vs LAA, Butera C, Mauer 1B, Doumit DH. (hat tip to BBR)

I stopped looking after finding that, there might be more.

EDIT: 5/13 and 5/14, same thing.

drjim
08-05-2012, 01:15 PM
Radio just announced that Valencia was traded to the Red Sox and optioned to AAA.

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 01:22 PM
It's really apparent that teams don't respect Mauer behind the plate anymore.

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 01:25 PM
Radio just announced that Valencia was traded to the Red Sox and optioned to AAA.

MLBTradeRumors has Jeremias Pineda coming back, 21 yr old Dominican playing in the GCL. Currently hitting over .400!


http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker&id=pineda000jer

Anyone still question whether the Twins were fed up with Valencia?

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 01:32 PM
Ugh...Mastro gets picked off first with runners on 1st and 2nd. Twins Baseball!

And Mauer takes 2 fastballs thigh high for strikes before tapping a breaking ball weakly to the pitcher.

NorthwestTwinsFan
08-05-2012, 01:33 PM
Twins have a decent scoring threat, only to run themselves out of it again with bad baserunning.

ofx1
08-05-2012, 01:43 PM
Nick Blackburn kinda sucks...

Shane Wahl
08-05-2012, 01:47 PM
How terrible does this guy have to be before he is recognized as done sunk cost?

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 01:51 PM
Somehow Blackburn got out of that with only 2 runs. How, I don't know. He just doesn't have major league stuff.

glunn
08-05-2012, 02:03 PM
Somehow Blackburn got out of that with only 2 runs. How, I don't know. He just doesn't have major league stuff.

I am just glad that the sweep in Boston is still on the table. Now we need RUNS.

notoriousgod71
08-05-2012, 02:04 PM
How terrible does this guy have to be before he is recognized as done sunk cost?


Good thing he's a Twins guy so we can keep him around.

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 02:05 PM
Somehow Blackburn got out of that with only 2 runs. How, I don't know. He just doesn't have major league stuff.
dont tell Dick/Bert/Smalley that......they feel he's 'filty' with that unhittable sinker

glunn
08-05-2012, 02:06 PM
Good thing he's a Twins guy so we can keep him around.

At the moment there don't seem to be very many alternatives. It will be nice if P.J. Walters can come back.

NorthwestTwinsFan
08-05-2012, 02:10 PM
I do agree with Dick and Bert about one thing....some of those pickoff attempts by Morales are obvious balks.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:23 PM
Blackburn hasn't looked half bad again. Hopefully he can get his 3rd QS in his 4 starts since coming back.

JB_Iowa
08-05-2012, 02:27 PM
Anybody surprised by that one?

I doubt it.

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 02:27 PM
Blackburn hasn't looked half bad again. Hopefully he can get his 3rd QS in his 4 starts since coming back.

You were saying, Dave?

Blackburn looks like doo, as usual. He was extremely lucky to get into the 5th having given up only 2 runs.

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 02:29 PM
4 runs thru 5 innings gives ya a 7.20 ERA. Thats Nick Blackburn in a nutshell.
But he's pitching outstanding......per Bert/Smelly

snepp
08-05-2012, 02:29 PM
Blackburn hasn't looked half bad again.

You're right, he's looked closer to full bad.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:30 PM
You were saying, Dave?

Blackburn looks like doo, as usual. He was extremely lucky to get into the 5th having given up only 2 runs.
He hasn't made that many bad pitches and at least since coming backs looks like he could contribute as a 5th/6th pitcher next season. (instead of dumping the 5.5 million)

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 02:36 PM
He hasn't made that many bad pitches and at least since coming backs looks like he could contribute as a 5th/6th pitcher next season. (instead of dumping the 5.5 million)

Yeah...I really want no part of a 2013 Twins rotation that includes Nick Blackburn.

etspaceman
08-05-2012, 02:36 PM
Contribute what exactly?

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:40 PM
Contribute what exactly?

Depth, the potential to fill in as a #5 guy instead of taking guys like Duensing out of the pen to fill in. Hell you can even live with his 4.49 ERA from 2011 as a #5.

Ideally the Twins have 5 superior pitchers at the start of 2013, just hope that when the time comes Blackburn can at least contribute a 4.50 ERA or so.

notoriousgod71
08-05-2012, 02:42 PM
He hasn't made that many bad pitches and at least since coming backs looks like he could contribute as a 5th/6th pitcher next season. (instead of dumping the 5.5 million)

Dave, I'm not going to lie. Your apparent "love" for Blackburn is more baffling to me than Dan's irrational hatred of Mauer.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:43 PM
Dave, I'm not going to lie. Your apparent "love" for Blackburn is more baffling to me than Dan's irrational hatred of Mauer.

Gotta stick with my fellow Okies.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:47 PM
Revere's arm is so freaking bad.

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 02:48 PM
Blackie sure has turned the corner in his 4 starts since the return 15er in 24 IP for a 5.63ERA. About what he's been for the past THREE years

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 02:51 PM
Depth, the potential to fill in as a #5 guy instead of taking guys like Duensing out of the pen to fill in. Hell you can even live with his 4.49 ERA from 2011 as a #5.

Ideally the Twins have 5 superior pitchers at the start of 2013, just hope that when the time comes Blackburn can at least contribute a 4.50 ERA or so.

Im fine with Blackie contributing depth to next yrs team as a 4/5 starter.......in AAA only that is

etspaceman
08-05-2012, 02:52 PM
Depth, the potential to fill in as a #5 guy instead of taking guys like Duensing out of the pen to fill in. Hell you can even live with his 4.49 ERA from 2011 as a #5.

Ideally the Twins have 5 superior pitchers at the start of 2013, just hope that when the time comes Blackburn can at least contribute a 4.50 ERA or so.

What do his stats from a year ago have anything to do with what you're arguing (that he looks good enough right now to be a 5th/6th starter)? His start today was a 7.20 ERA, which is right around how he's performed all year.

He provides depth? Everyone on the roster provides depth. If he qualified, he'd have the worst ERA in the majors right now. You can't seriously tell me that he actually has value as a starter based on his recent performances.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:54 PM
Blackie sure has turned the corner in his 4 starts since the return 15er in 24 IP for a 5.63ERA. About what he's been for the past THREE years

2 very good starts
1 bad start (today)
1 horrendous start

Who else does that remind me of..hmm..

JB_Iowa
08-05-2012, 02:55 PM
Nishioka. Well, this should be interesting.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:58 PM
What do his stats from a year ago have anything to do with what you're arguing (that he looks good enough right now to be a 5th/6th starter)? His start today was a 7.20 ERA, which is right around how he's performed all year.

He provides depth? Everyone on the roster provides depth. If he qualified, he'd have the worst ERA in the majors right now. You can't seriously tell me that he actually has value as a starter based on his recent performances.

First of all when I posted the orginal post he was in the 5th inning with only 2 runs given up, I noted that it would be nice if he could get his 3rd QS in 4 starts since being recalled, I thought maybe he had turned a bit of a corner as he had a couple nice starts since then.

More than likely he didn't turn a corner and will continue to be the suck, however it would be nice if he could get back to his old ways and become a decent #5 again. The money is already owed to him next year anyways, I'd rather they avoid brining in the next Marquis, Livan to fill out the rotation in 2013.

Ideally though the Twins have 5 superior options to start the season with.

notoriousgod71
08-05-2012, 02:58 PM
Gotta stick with my fellow Okies.


Gardy?

notoriousgod71
08-05-2012, 02:59 PM
Nishioka. Well, this should be interesting.

Valencia= bad trade for this alone.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 02:59 PM
Gardy?

Blackburn was from Oklahoma as well.

NorthwestTwinsFan
08-05-2012, 03:03 PM
Nishioka. Well, this should be interesting.

I had a feeling he was going to get the call. His numbers have been pretty abysmal at AAA this year, but I guess the Twins should try to get some kind of return on their $15 million investment. Looks like Carroll is at third until Plouffe gets back.

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 03:09 PM
How to tell, if you're Danny Valencia, that your former employer really, really didn't want you around any more: They'd prefer to play a light hitting 38 yr old at 3b, giving yet another opportunity to Alexi Casilla (who couldn't keep his second base job over said 38 yr old), and they'd prefer Nishioka on the 25 man.

USAFChief
08-05-2012, 03:10 PM
Hell of a catch, Revere-zee.

greengoblinrulz
08-05-2012, 03:11 PM
Ben can play some gold glove CF........but he's not allowed to because it'll 'devastate' the current CF

stringer bell
08-05-2012, 03:11 PM
Somehow I don't think Denard catches that one. Hey, Ben got it to second on one hop!

jokin
08-05-2012, 03:16 PM
I had a feeling he was going to get the call. His numbers have been pretty abysmal at AAA this year, but I guess the Twins should try to get some kind of return on their $15 million investment. Looks like Carroll is at third until Plouffe gets back.

I had the opposite feeling. My son asked me to guess who just got called up and Nishi was the last possible name I could come up with, and even then I was aghast when told it had happened. Nishi's sunk cost is entirely unsalvageable unless they can get a buyout deal/coupled with a return to Japan.

stringer bell
08-05-2012, 03:19 PM
How to tell, if you're Danny Valencia, that your former employer really, really didn't want you around any more: They'd prefer to play a light hitting 38 yr old at 3b, giving yet another opportunity to Alexi Casilla (who couldn't keep his second base job over said 38 yr old), and they'd prefer Nishioka on the 25 man.Well, I don't know if they really prefer Nishi on the roster to Danny V, but they got some return for him, so there's that. It will be interesting to see what happens when Plouffe comes off the DL. They could send Nishi back, they could DFA Casilla, they could send a pitcher to Rochester. In the big picture, it doesn't matter much, but the Twins have to decide who to cut ties with, who to showcase, and who to give chances to. Of course, there could be more waiver deals to clear more 40-man space.

stringer bell
08-05-2012, 03:25 PM
Ben can play some gold glove CF........but he's not allowed to because it'll 'devastate' the current CFIt certainly isn't imminent, but I've said for awhile that the Twins should move Span. Putting Revere in center is one reason, getting an extra base bat in a corner OF position is another, and the fact that their best prospects in the high minors are OFs all figure to be reasons to move Denard, probably in the offseason.

J-Dog Dungan
08-05-2012, 03:27 PM
Honestly, I don't have a problem with the Valencia deal. He hasn't been performing for the Twins, and any chance to get rid of a headcase like him I will take, especially if we can get a return like we did. Yes, the guy is a 21-year old OF in a league that usually only holds 18-20 year olds, but he was signed late in 2011 and has been raking so far in the GCL. Now, we will see if his stuff translates to the higher minors. By the way, unless his bat comes along with him, his ceiling appears to be a Mastro-type player.

The problem I have right now is that the Twins aren't scoring any runs today, and they are giving up too many. Blackie should be taken out of the rotation, but I don't think the Twins have anyone to replace him.

stringer bell
08-05-2012, 03:28 PM
It took roughly a week for Valencia to play himself out of the lineup again.It took roughly a week for Valencia to play himself out of the organization.

stringer bell
08-05-2012, 03:35 PM
It's really apparent that teams don't respect Mauer behind the plate anymore.I would attribute almost all of the stolen bases to the pitchers. However, I don't see the snap on Mauer's throws that I saw through 2010 (he hardly caught last year).

NorthwestTwinsFan
08-05-2012, 03:35 PM
I had the opposite feeling. My son asked me to guess who just got called up and Nishi was the last possible name I could come up with, and even then I was aghast when told it had happened. Nishi's sunk cost is entirely unsalvageable unless they can get a buyout deal/coupled with a return to Japan.

Yeah, it's not the move I would've made....I just figured the Twins were probably going to try to get him back up here at some point. I agree with you about trying to buy out his contract though....the Twins need to do everything they can to make that happen.

Scheherezade
08-05-2012, 03:44 PM
Ben's limp noodle arm gunned a doubled play from the warning track. 19 game hitting streak. Soon to be near the top of the AL batting title.

Where are your tears now?

JB_Iowa
08-05-2012, 03:45 PM
Yeah, it's not the move I would've made....I just figured the Twins were probably going to try to get him back up here at some point. I agree with you about trying to buy out his contract though....the Twins need to do everything they can to make that happen.

Didn't Nishioka have a bit of a "hot streak" at some point recently? I seem to recall some tweets and Dick/Bert talking about some good hitting games. May have just been very temporary.

NorthwestTwinsFan
08-05-2012, 03:49 PM
Didn't Nishioka have a bit of a "hot streak" at some point recently? I seem to recall some tweets and Dick/Bert talking about some good hitting games. May have just been very temporary.

I think it was more of a lukewarm streak.

stringer bell
08-05-2012, 03:55 PM
Well, that put a little fear in the Sox. The two runs allowed by the end of the bullpen guys ended up deciding the game. Also, the Twins had a runner on second with zero outs three times and once with one out (the Mastro pickoff) and only got him home once.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-05-2012, 04:05 PM
Ben's limp noodle arm gunned a doubled play from the warning track. 19 game hitting streak. Soon to be near the top of the AL batting title.

Where are your tears now?

He still has an awful arm. I like the rest of his game though.

ashburyjohn
08-05-2012, 05:27 PM
By the way, unless his bat comes along with him, his ceiling appears to be a Mastro-type player.

The problem with such a ceiling is such players are readily available on the waiver wire or as minimum wage free-agents in the offseason. Outfielders lacking power, infielders with a glove but no stick, pitchers possessing only one above-average pitch - unless something else about them stands out, a trade for them is kind of pointless. I hope the Twins see a higher ceiling in Pineda than that.