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Jeremy Nygaard
02-25-2012, 10:16 AM
I just got a text saying that Zumaya just walked off the mound with the trainer. Uh oh.

Seth Stohs
02-25-2012, 10:22 AM
Keep us updated.

Seth Stohs
02-25-2012, 10:24 AM
Souhan tweeted "Never draw conclusions from BP but Zumaya is throwing quite hard. It seems."

Three minutes later, he tweeted "Zumaya ends session early. Walks off with trainer. Says he's ok but..."

Parker Hageman
02-25-2012, 10:31 AM
The beat writers on Twitter did not make it sound urgent so hopefully it was just a bit of recovery discomfort and not something more. But it is Zumaya soe...

Jeremy Nygaard
02-25-2012, 10:38 AM
I hope so. I know the chances are slim to none that he'll be healthy all year, but he's one of those guys that I've always enjoyed watching play. It will be nice to finally see him in Twins jersey (hopefully), like Thome was, like Buehrle would have been, and like I dream Verlander someday will be.

@_2244
02-25-2012, 10:38 AM
Zumaya hasn't thrown more than 38.1 innings in any season since 2006. No chance he contributes a single thing this year, but he was a low-risk signing. Human arms just aren't built to handle the torque associated with his delivery. Hopefully his Guitar Hero playing days are not done.

Jeremy Nygaard
02-25-2012, 10:44 AM
No chance he contributes a single thing this year...

Geez, I don't know if I'd go that far. He did help break in Herrmann's catcher's mitt a little before walking off the field, right?

FranTheMan
02-25-2012, 10:47 AM
Suggestion: Stop reading/listening to Souhan. Your mental health will be better for it.

Seth Stohs
02-25-2012, 10:51 AM
Fran, I completely agree... I just thought the two tweets, just three minutes apart, were just so opposite. He looks great, he's throwing really hard... he walked off the mound with a trainer... hopefully it is just some normal discomfort.

Andrew Bryz-Gornia
02-25-2012, 10:58 AM
If this does end up being serious, we'll see if the Twins had a backup plan like Aaron Gleeman wanted. I'm leaning towards Twins Geek's answer, and that's a no.

Thrylos
02-25-2012, 11:02 AM
Got ESPN 1500 on and there is nothing there yet... Heyman tweeted that "Zumaya felt something". The Twins' beat writers say he's not talking to the media but they are waiting Ryan to announce something. Mackey said "it looks like elbow" . But hard to tell unless he gets it examined. Could be muscular as well... Who knows. Too early to start getting upset about it. Hope it is nothing

ltwedt
02-25-2012, 11:08 AM
Why would you just walk off the mound, if you are not injured?

Cody Christie
02-25-2012, 11:11 AM
Hopefully it is nothing major. The Twins need something to go right for the bullpen to be successful this year. the front office for the Twins seemed excited about what he could bring to the organization. It seems like history is repeating itself and Zumaya's history is hard to ignore. Fingers crossed for no bad news

Jeremy Nygaard
02-25-2012, 11:11 AM
Zumaya won't be speaking to the media. Terry Ryan, however, will be providing an update (per Twitter).

Parker Hageman
02-25-2012, 11:16 AM
Well, at least if Zumaya is injured the Twins can still fall back on...um...oh, right...

Jeremy Nygaard
02-25-2012, 11:18 AM
Eddie Guardado is already in camp. And from what I remember he's ready Everyday.

TwinsGuy55422
02-25-2012, 11:32 AM
I am hoping it is nothing serious. But if he is going to get injured, it would be better if it happened now.

markroehl
02-25-2012, 11:34 AM
We shouldn't worry with all the bullpen help that the twins acquired in the offseason... :)

Thrylos
02-25-2012, 11:42 AM
Bollinger now calls it "apparent elbow injury" as well... (Mackey said so pretty much when happened.)

Evan Grabouski
02-25-2012, 12:00 PM
MRI tomorrow, per Bollinger. Terry Ryan will talk with the media in about a half hour.

JB_Iowa
02-25-2012, 12:07 PM
I agree with TwinsGuy55422 -- better now than a couple of months from now. I still wish him well, though.

Bringhimin
02-25-2012, 12:10 PM
Seems natural for him (and Twins) to be a little over cautious. This is make it or break it for him this year.

Thrylos
02-25-2012, 01:05 PM
TR said the Zumaya's issue is on the "inside of the elbow". Best case scenario: Scar tissue; worse case: TJ Surgery. MRI tomorrow will tell...
Hope all is good.

John Bonnes
02-25-2012, 01:23 PM
Well. This season seems familiar, so far. Ugh.

So on the first day that hitters report, Morneau basically says he may need to consider retiring, and on his first bullpen session, Joel Zumaya hurts his elbow. Maybe the Twins should have considered some Season Insurance (http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2012/01/season-insurance.html).

mikeee
02-25-2012, 01:23 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/joel-zumaya-agrees-to-throw-one-last-amazing-pitch,27183/

minn55441
02-25-2012, 01:37 PM
I hope it turns out to be nothing. But honestly, with his track record it almost seems like it is just a matter of when rather than if.

John Bonnes
02-25-2012, 01:38 PM
Darn! mikee, I think you beat me to this....

The Onion: Joel Zumaya Agrees To Throw One Last Amazing Pitch (http://www.theonion.com/articles/joel-zumaya-agrees-to-throw-one-last-amazing-pitch,27183/)

"MINNEAPOLIS—Injury-plagued fireball reliever Joel Zumaya informed reporters Monday that his new $800,000 contract with the Twins obligates him to throw one last beautifully self-destructive pitch that will finally annihilate his arm forever...."

jimbo92107
02-25-2012, 02:06 PM
Maybe Zumaya needs to warm up slower. Give that healing elbow more time to get used to the work load. Makes me wonder how a little guy like Tim Lincecum throws mid-90's. Could a big guy like Zumaya get more power from his legs and body?

VATwinsFan
02-25-2012, 03:03 PM
So it sounds like the Twins will now be down to 32 pitchers in spring training.

mikeee
02-25-2012, 03:39 PM
It was too funny to not get out there right away!!


Darn! mikee, I think you beat me to this....

The Onion: Joel Zumaya Agrees To Throw One Last Amazing Pitch (http://www.theonion.com/articles/joel-zumaya-agrees-to-throw-one-last-amazing-pitch,27183/)

"MINNEAPOLIS—Injury-plagued fireball reliever Joel Zumaya informed reporters Monday that his new $800,000 contract with the Twins obligates him to throw one last beautifully self-destructive pitch that will finally annihilate his arm forever...."

JB_Iowa
02-25-2012, 04:18 PM
I wonder if the Twins have done a cost benefit analysis on leasing their own MRI scanner .... or at least have negotiated some kind of whopping group discount.

YLT
02-25-2012, 04:28 PM
Is it normal for any pitcher no matter his previous arm health to be throwing anywhere near "hard" in the first few days of spring training?

Twinsfanforlife
02-25-2012, 04:34 PM
Is it normal for any pitcher no matter his previous arm health to be throwing anywhere near "hard" in the first few days of spring training?

You would think with his history it would be no but who knows, if he falls through do the twins go out and try to find another power arm in free agency or sit the year out with the pie throwers we have now?

Jeremy Nygaard
02-25-2012, 05:06 PM
Is it normal for any pitcher no matter his previous arm health to be throwing anywhere near "hard" in the first few days of spring training?

Especially in batting practice to the guy with the concussion problems...

Could you have imagined... he lets it fly, the arms snaps, the ball comes in high and inside.

Two birds. One stone.

John Bonnes
02-25-2012, 05:07 PM
Zumaya has been working in ST for weeks. I doubt he did anything too early.

Fanatic Jack
02-25-2012, 06:03 PM
I'm just amazed someone as smart as Terry Ryan does not have a backup plan for the bullpen. Zumaya has never, ever, ever, been healthy!!

Fanatic Jack
02-25-2012, 06:08 PM
Paging Michael Wuertz, Paging Michael Wuertz. Please TR call him.

Thrylos
02-25-2012, 06:10 PM
I'm just amazed someone as smart as Terry Ryan does not have a backup plan for the bullpen. Zumaya has never, ever, ever, been healthy!!

Lots of backup plans... about 25 of them in the Camp already. But let's wait until tomorrow and the MRI results to pronounce the patient dead...

darin617
02-25-2012, 07:25 PM
Never saw this coming did we? Terry Ryan shows how smart he is giving away $400,000 like this. It might not be serious but you know he has no chance of making the team if he already has a setback so early in camp. Now we will have to wait and see if the Pohlad boys will give Terry Ryan some more money for a pitcher. So sad.

iTwins
02-25-2012, 07:33 PM
Some guys are just done in by their mechanics. Seems like Zumaya simply puts more stress on his arm than his body can handle. Unfortunately, this news was almost expected given his history. Here's hoping the Twins make another move to replace Zumaya. (All of this assuming the worst of course).

Seth Stohs
02-25-2012, 07:42 PM
As Thrylos said, there are plenty of strong arms in camp who are better than any of the free agents left. I'd rather they give guys like Waldrop, Gutierrez and Others get a chance. Guys like Perdomo or Deduno could fill the role. We shall see.

Fanatic Jack
02-25-2012, 09:54 PM
Seth,

Right now with Zumaya headed for T.J. surgery we need 4 spots filled in the bullpen. You honestly believe the people we brought in can fill those spots? Not one of them have a proven tack record for either M.L. success or for staying healthy. They would have a better chance of winning the lottery!!!

Highabove
02-26-2012, 01:06 AM
Regarding the Bullpen, it seems like last year all over again. How did that work out? Groundhog day?

Thrylos
02-26-2012, 10:48 AM
Ryan was live on ESPN 1500 radio a bit ago (with Souhan, so there was a lot of directed negativity) and practically he did not say anything more. They are concerned and especially because of his history. Looks like the Twins will know the MRI results later today and they will probably go on twitter (with about 6 reporters in Ft Myers now) pretty fast I suspect.

I did a little exercise and now that the notebooks are all posted, I was looking for quotes about Zumaya from the Twins and I think that it might be better than what we thought initially. If you care, I compiled that stuff and kinda came to a conclusion here (http://tenthinningstretch.blogspot.com/2012/02/joel-zumaya-injury-what-do-we-know.html).

Evan Grabouski
02-26-2012, 12:03 PM
Torn UCL. So many Zumaya memories...

JB (the Original)
02-26-2012, 01:40 PM
http://eye-on-baseball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22297882/34998354

Gernzy
02-27-2012, 11:02 AM
Can't help but feel bad for Zumaya. If he would have been healthy...man that would have been nice. Let's hope someone new can step up.

StormJH1
02-27-2012, 11:26 AM
I feel awful for the dude himself, but we can stop talking about Zumaya pretty soon because he'll never play for the Twins, and probably will never play again. The guy was 100% green lighted and couldn't even make it through Spring Training. This was always the risk, and part of the reason that I felt like our bullpen was absolute garbage heading into 2012. Since 2009, they've basically deleted Nathan, Crain, Mijares, Guerrier, and Rauch without making any other significant additions (except retaining Capps, who isn't that good). You had to assume that Zumaya would get hurt, because he always has gotten hurt. So what does that leave you with?

Many organizations have the ability to just promote from within and get new relievers, but the Twins CANNOT. When you don't believe in power arms for starting pitchers, then you don't even have the option of moving failed starters into the bullpen. Honestly, would you rather have Jamey Carroll for 3 million, or two or three of the relief pitchers on the market that signed for about 1-2 million?