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Brock Beauchamp
07-20-2012, 03:10 PM
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Brock Beauchamp
07-20-2012, 04:16 PM
Twins:
Revere CF
Carroll SS
Mauer 1B
Willingham LF
Morneau DH
Plouffe 3B
Doumit C
Mastroianni RF
Casilla 2B
(Blackburn P)

Royals:
Gordon LF
Escobar SS
Butler DH
Moustakas 3B
Cain CF
Hosmer 1B
Francoeur RF
Perez C
Betancourt 2B
(Hochevar P)

stringer bell
07-20-2012, 05:40 PM
Hmmm. no Span. Could he be packing his bags for a trip to DC or Cincy? Bohlinger says it just a day off.

USAFChief
07-20-2012, 07:27 PM
Was that a double given up by Blackburn on an 0-2 pitch?

Have I mentioned my position on giving up solid contact on 0-2 pitches?

snepp
07-20-2012, 07:29 PM
Was that a double given up by Blackburn on an 0-2 pitch?

Have I mentioned my position on giving up solid contact on 0-2 pitches?

It was more of a single, but your primary point remains.

glunn
07-20-2012, 07:31 PM
Was that a double given up by Blackburn on an 0-2 pitch?

Have I mentioned my position on giving up solid contact on 0-2 pitches?

Time to cut a switch?

USAFChief
07-20-2012, 07:32 PM
It was more of a single, but your primary point remains.

I'm "watching" on gamecast.

Interesting side note: According to gamecast, there have been a total of 3 pitches outside the strike zone through one inning.

Lots of pitches called a ball, but only 3 outside the strike zone.

I'm guessing gamecast's pitch location depiction isn't entirely, uh, accurate.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 07:32 PM
Was that a double given up by Blackburn on an 0-2 pitch?

Have I mentioned my position on giving up solid contact on 0-2 pitches?

Given that this is Blackburn pitching, I'm just glad it stayed in the ballpark.

glunn
07-20-2012, 07:39 PM
Nice homer by Mastro. It would be great to build a lead here.

jctwins
07-20-2012, 07:42 PM
Macaroni!

snepp
07-20-2012, 07:43 PM
I'm "watching" on gamecast.

It was a ball that Revere dove for and had it hit the heel of his glove. If Span had been out there he doesn't even have a chance to make a play on the ball and it ends up a generic single.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 07:48 PM
To give him credit, Blackburn is starting off nicely. He's throwing strikes, he's keeping the ball down in the zone, and while he's given up 3 hits, they haven't been hit that hard (a shallow fly into center, a broken-bat bloop, and a shallow single).

snepp
07-20-2012, 07:52 PM
Moooooooooooooooose.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 07:55 PM
You don't see that much - an outfielder trying to throw a runner out at first.

I remember, at the end of Harmon's career, that sometimes worked - he singled to right field but couldn't get down the baseline in time to beat the throw.

jctwins
07-20-2012, 08:03 PM
You don't see that much - an outfielder trying to throw a runner out at first.

I remember, at the end of Harmon's career, that sometimes worked - he singled to right field but couldn't get down the baseline in time to beat the throw.

How dare you speak of Harmon that way. Blasphemy.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 08:05 PM
How dare you speak of Harmon that way. Blasphemy.

Hey, I loved watching him hit the bombs, but let's be honest - at the end he did get a bit big. I remember one time he came to the plate and the organist played "Roll out the barrel.":)

jctwins
07-20-2012, 08:18 PM
Blacky can't be tired enough to have his sinker working tonight.

snepp
07-20-2012, 08:37 PM
Is everyone afraid to jinx Blacksie tonight?

GCTF
07-20-2012, 08:45 PM
Is everyone afraid to jinx Blacksie tonight?

Got that nasty ERA down to 7.50!

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 08:47 PM
Is everyone afraid to jinx Blacksie tonight?

This is the critical inning - pitch count rising, heart of the order.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 08:54 PM
Who woulda thought that Blackburn would pitch 6 shutout innings and not even have one 3-ball count!

snepp
07-20-2012, 08:55 PM
Plouffe just got robbed.


BABIP unkind.

snepp
07-20-2012, 08:55 PM
Who woulda thought that Blackburn would pitch 6 shutout innings and not even have one 3-ball count!

Would you believe me if I said, "me?"

jctwins
07-20-2012, 09:03 PM
Anyone else think now would be an ideal time to sign Blackburn to a new 3 year, 30 million dollar deal?

JB_Iowa
07-20-2012, 09:04 PM
I didn't think he'd pitch this well. I did think (and say) that I expected 2 to 3 good starts from him before he has problems again. (Not to jinx him).

There just isn't anything predictable about this rotation right now. Of course, one could ask, what rotation? One or 2 cycles through it and then it changes again.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 09:04 PM
Anyone else think now would be an ideal time to sign Blackburn to a new 3 year, 30 million dollar deal?

I was thinking maybe we can trade him to someone now.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 09:07 PM
Ron Coomer just echoed my thought - his pitches are starting to get up in the zone. Let's hope he gets out of the inning and sits back for a deserved rest.

notoriousgod71
07-20-2012, 09:08 PM
Ron Coomer just echoed my thought - his pitches are starting to get up in the zone. Let's hope he gets out of the inning and sits back for a deserved rest.

I would never admit that.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 09:08 PM
Oh, Willingham - gotta get a glove on that. Can't let it go to the wall.

snepp
07-20-2012, 09:09 PM
http://backstage.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c9cc153ef0134865ff5cd970c-150wi

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 09:14 PM
Hey, if you had told me this afternoon that after seven the game would be tied, and it would be because the offense sucked instead of Blackburn sucking, I wouldn't have believed you. Good night for him - regardless of how this turns out.

Badsmerf
07-20-2012, 09:15 PM
Plouffe just got robbed.


BABIP unkind.

I didn't see it. Despite the lack of HR's, Plouffe has been drilling line drives all over the place. I think he is going to be a pretty good hitter. Give him a little time in the league to see pitchers and their stuff and he will only get better. Hitting line drives, to me, is a big separator between average hitters and good hitters. The ability to get solid wood on the ball will create more hits as well as XBH.

JB_Iowa
07-20-2012, 09:24 PM
Bobby Cuellar .... Okie pitcher whisperer

GCTF
07-20-2012, 09:32 PM
Wait a minute, how will Burton get a save in a tie game?

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 09:37 PM
Blackburn was impressive tonight, it would go a long ways if we could trust him to be a #5 again onto 2013. That way Ryan can focus on bringing in one less pitcher in during FA and ideally bring in a front line rotation guy or two.

jctwins
07-20-2012, 09:41 PM
Blackburn was impressive tonight, it would go a long ways if we could trust him to be a #5 again onto 2013. That way Ryan can focus on bringing in one less pitcher in during FA and ideally bring in a front line rotation guy or two.

With a post by GCTF, and Dave calling to idealize Blackburn this thread is now complete.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 09:41 PM
Blackburn was impressive tonight, it would go a long ways if we could trust him to be a #5 again onto 2013. That way Ryan can focus on bringing in one less pitcher in during FA and ideally bring in a front line rotation guy or two.

At least we don't have to play that game of "Should we trade him, re-sign him or let him go?" We're stuck with him for next year, for good or for ill. Let's hope for good.

GCTF
07-20-2012, 09:42 PM
Did Plouffe die? WTF.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 09:43 PM
Plouffe confirmed for Tommy John surgery by the end of the week.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 09:47 PM
Bruised thumb for Plouffe. Didn't Mauer get sidelined with that for a few games earlier this year?

crapforks
07-20-2012, 09:51 PM
Bruised thumb for Plouffe. Didn't Mauer get sidelined with that for a few games earlier this year?
Bi-lateral thumb bruising?

GCTF
07-20-2012, 09:52 PM
Bruised thumb for Plouffe.

Has the medical staff set a date for the amputation?

USAFChief
07-20-2012, 09:57 PM
Has the medical staff set a date for the amputation?


pfft. Medical staff thinks "nothing serious." Couple months of "rehab" followed by an inconclusive MRI, followed by a second opinion which confirms amputation.

USAFChief
07-20-2012, 10:00 PM
I despise Casilla with the intensity of a thousand suns.

Irrational, I know, but it is what it is.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:03 PM
Mastroianni has been pretty impressive as of late (late June) I'd be real interested to see him get a little playing time at 2B if he can handle it.

GCTF
07-20-2012, 10:04 PM
pfft. Medical staff thinks "nothing serious." Couple months of "rehab" followed by an inconclusive MRI, followed by a second opinion which confirms amputation.

They do MRI's? I thought they just went with leeches.

snepp
07-20-2012, 10:04 PM
Runner on 3rd, no outs.....



TWINS BASEBALL™!

notoriousgod71
07-20-2012, 10:04 PM
That was ****ing pathetic.

GCTF
07-20-2012, 10:05 PM
Some quality at bats in that stretch.

Ultima Ratio
07-20-2012, 10:06 PM
Fanf-ingtastic

USAFChief
07-20-2012, 10:07 PM
Uffda.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:10 PM
Royals with the ultimate jinx of Revere:

"Revere is one of the hardest players in baseball to strike out"

FrodaddyG
07-20-2012, 10:11 PM
Royals with the ultimate jinx of Revere:

"Revere is one of the hardest players in baseball to strike out"
They're always confusing strikeouts and walks.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:13 PM
Fien has been a nice bright spot lately for the Twins, if he can somehow keep it up the Twins have a nice cheap bullpen heading into 2013 with Perkins, Burton, Fien and Duensing.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 10:22 PM
And Perkins is warming up!

snepp
07-20-2012, 10:23 PM
Span, "derp."

Ultima Ratio
07-20-2012, 10:24 PM
Really Span? How did that happen for those of us not getting a live picture.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:25 PM
That is one thing I won't miss when we trade Span.

TheLeviathan
07-20-2012, 10:25 PM
Anyone else think now would be an ideal time to sign Blackburn to a new 3 year, 30 million dollar deal?

Well played.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 10:27 PM
Really Span? How did that happen for those of us not getting a live picture.

He got picked off - commited himself before the pitcher started the pitch - easy toss to 3rd got him.

snepp
07-20-2012, 10:27 PM
Really Span? How did that happen for those of us not getting a live picture.

The same way all his other pickoffs happen, he's **** on the bases.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:27 PM
Mauer is now hitting over .380 since May 20th and has an OPS somewhere around .975

ashburyjohn
07-20-2012, 10:29 PM
Mauer is now hitting over .380 since May 20th and has an OPS somewhere around .975

It's an empty .975.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 10:30 PM
Yes! Nice play all around to throw out the runner at the plate.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 10:31 PM
Boy, that was a PERFECT throw by Casilla.

USAFChief
07-20-2012, 10:32 PM
Mauer is now hitting over .380 since May 20th and has an OPS somewhere around .975

Technical foul. Recent performance isn't allowed when evaluating players.

It's known as the Liriano rule.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:32 PM
Revere should not be in RF..wow.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:33 PM
Technical foul. Recent performance isn't allowed when evaluating players.

It's known as the Liriano rule.

Good point, I hate it when players preform well in a given period of time that completely matches their production in an earlier body of work.

i.e. Liriano is pitching very well the past 10 games, he also had the lowest FIP in the AL in 2010.

Ultima Ratio
07-20-2012, 10:34 PM
Our offense could really be something if Morneau could get back to something close to his pre concussion effectiveness. Nice defense Casilla.

notoriousgod71
07-20-2012, 10:36 PM
Our offense could really be something if Morneau could get back to something close to his pre concussion effectiveness. Nice defense Casilla.

vs Right handers he is.

IdahoPilgrim
07-20-2012, 10:36 PM
Good point, I hate it when players preform well in a given period of time that completely matches their production in an earlier body of work.

i.e. Liriano is pitching very well the past 10 games, he also had the lowest FIP in the AL in 2010.

Could we work some kind of contract with him where we only pay him for even-numbered years?

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 10:37 PM
Could we work some kind of contract with him where we only pay him for even-numbered years?

We did it for Punto.

TheLeviathan
07-20-2012, 11:33 PM
We did it for Punto.

Well at least we've come down from the cliff of comparing Liriano to Mauer.

TheLeviathan
07-20-2012, 11:37 PM
Technical foul. Recent performance isn't allowed when evaluating players.

It's known as the Liriano rule.

I know, for the life of me I can't get you cultists to even acknowledge 2011! Strangest damn thing it is.

I guess I should work on 2012 first, I keep hearing "frontline" about a guy who's season has a WHIP of 1.40 and an ERA+ of 85. Damn those uncooperative stats!

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-20-2012, 11:43 PM
Well at least we've come down from the cliff of comparing Liriano to Mauer.

Where did I ever compare Liriano to Mauer?

TheLeviathan
07-20-2012, 11:45 PM
Where did I ever compare Liriano to Mauer?

You didn't, I thank you for bringing some sanity back to that. Mauer's been hitting really well lately - it's very encouraging.

twinsnorth49
07-21-2012, 09:48 AM
I know, for the life of me I can't get you cultists to even acknowledge 2011! Strangest damn thing it is.

I guess I should work on 2012 first, I keep hearing "frontline" about a guy who's season has a WHIP of 1.40 and an ERA+ of 85. Damn those uncooperative stats!

Just acknowledge he's pitching well lately as has previously in his career. Seems to me that's all anyone is saying. The Mauer comparison is that a lot of people said the same things about him after 2011 as well, I notice he's playing a bit better lately too. We should probably still focus on 2011 though, that's clearly the player he really is.

TheLeviathan
07-21-2012, 09:56 AM
Just acknowledge he's pitching well lately as has previously in his career. Seems to me that's all anyone is saying. The Mauer comparison is that a lot of people said the same things about him after 2011 as well, I notice he's playing a bit better lately too. We should probably still focus on 2011 though, that's clearly the player he really is.

Liriano has been pitching very well. He couldn't have picked a better time! But that's not all that's being said. People are cherry-picking the last 10 starts as a way to justify their opinion he is worthy of a contract extension and to validate the limb they went out on with him pre-season, which Liriano promptly buried in April.

I was someone who thought he was going to have a 2010-esque season this year. But I put the Kool-Aid down...