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Brock Beauchamp
07-18-2012, 03:23 PM
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Brock Beauchamp
07-18-2012, 03:30 PM
Twins:
Span CF
Revere RF
Mauer DH
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Plouffe 3B
Dozier SS
Butera C
Carroll 2B
(Liriano P)

Orioles:
Markakis RF
Hardy SS
Jones CF
Wieters DH
Reynolds 1B
Pearce LF
Betemit 3B
Teagarden C
Tolleson 2B
(Hunter P)

GCTF
07-18-2012, 04:27 PM
Read your story, it's not a getaway game. They're doing a nooner tomorrow.

You're welcome.

Ultima Ratio
07-18-2012, 04:37 PM
Butera hitting before Carroll in the 8-hole... again.... brilliant. Have we ever been given an explanation why?

IdahoPilgrim
07-18-2012, 04:38 PM
Butera hitting before Carroll in the 8-hole... again.... brilliant. Have we ever been given an explanation why?

Where would you have him hit?

Brock Beauchamp
07-18-2012, 04:39 PM
Read your story, it's not a getaway game. They're doing a nooner tomorrow.

You're welcome.

I no read so good.

Ultima Ratio
07-18-2012, 04:41 PM
9th, you?

Brock Beauchamp
07-18-2012, 04:41 PM
Where would you have him hit?

Rochester.

New Britain.

Ft Myers.

Mexico City.

I'm not picky.

Ultima Ratio
07-18-2012, 04:42 PM
Rochester.

New Britain.

Ft Myers.

Mexico City.

I'm not picky.

That was slow pitch easy.

IdahoPilgrim
07-18-2012, 04:47 PM
9th, you?

I'm not an expert, but my understanding is, when the DH is being used, you usually put your weakest hitters in the 7 & 8 spots. The 9th spot is used for a better hitter, usually with a good onbase percentage.

Brock Beauchamp
07-18-2012, 04:47 PM
That was slow pitch easy.

Yep, and I happily took it.

IdahoPilgrim
07-18-2012, 04:53 PM
Per Baseball-Reference - splits for Jamey Carroll

Batting 2nd: .223/.320/.259
Batting 7th: .250/.250/.250
Batting 8th: .174/.296/.174
Batting 9th: .262/.331/.322

I think him batting 9th is just fine.

diehardtwinsfan
07-18-2012, 05:00 PM
Where would you have him hit?

Rochester

Ultima Ratio
07-18-2012, 05:11 PM
And when there's two outs, runners on, and Butera comes up we'll be thankful for Carroll's increase average leading off the next inning. :)

ashburyjohn
07-18-2012, 05:13 PM
Where would you have him hit?

The nuts.

IdahoPilgrim
07-18-2012, 05:16 PM
And when there's two outs, runners on, and Butera comes up we'll be thankful for Carroll's increase average leading off the next inning. :)

Uh...and that wouldn't be a problem if he was batting ninth? I'm not questioning that Butera is the weakest hitter in the lineup, but that's not going to change no matter what position he bats in.

Anyway, you asked for a reason. I gave you a couple - it's common practice with the DH, and Carroll split's. Nobody's saying you have to accept the reasons - trash them if you like.

Top Gun
07-18-2012, 06:41 PM
I think Gardy likes a little speed ahead of Span and Revere, for bunt, hit & run.

snepp
07-18-2012, 06:47 PM
Anyway, you asked for a reason. I gave you a couple - it's common practice with the DH, and Carroll split's.

The first reason is a good one, the second not so much. It's a meaningless split, especially given the size of the sample.

glunn
07-18-2012, 07:25 PM
Liriano is not helping his trade value by giving up 2 runs in the 1st. Is he focusing too much on striking people out?

TheLeviathan
07-18-2012, 07:27 PM
Liriano is not helping his trade value by giving up 2 runs in the 1st. Is he focusing too much on striking people out?

The Cult of Liriano scores games differently. It's currently 2-2. Liriano's Ks-Runs Scored Against. You're not properly valuing our stud frontliner.

Bark's Lounge
07-18-2012, 07:32 PM
Liriano is not helping his trade value by giving up 2 runs in the 1st. Is he focusing too much on striking people out?

No, I don't think he is focusing on serving up K's. If I am correct, I believe that MLB has mandated a new rule for the Twins that they have to give up no less than 2 HRs a game. My thinking is he is trying to get the Home Runs out the way - that way he can focus on his game plan.

glunn
07-18-2012, 07:33 PM
No, I don't think he is focusing on serving up K's. If I am correct, I believe that MLB has mandated a new rule for the Twins that they have to give up no less than 2 HRs a game. My thinking is he is trying to get the Home Runs out the way - that way he can focus on his game plan.

I wish that he would give up the home runs when there is no one on base.

GCTF
07-18-2012, 07:35 PM
The Cult of Liriano.

lulz.

Bark's Lounge
07-18-2012, 07:37 PM
I wish that he would give up the home runs when there is no one on base.

I get you. I don't think he has a filter in his thought process to weed those kind of things out.

JB_Iowa
07-18-2012, 07:39 PM
I get you. I don't think he has a filter in his thought process to weed those kind of things out.

Maybe he got the memo confused and thought he could just give up a 2-run HR instead of 2 HR.

Bark's Lounge
07-18-2012, 07:43 PM
Maybe he got the memo confused and thought he could just give up a 2-run HR instead of 2 HR.

Good point. You might be on to something.

Top Gun
07-18-2012, 07:52 PM
According to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com, the Angels are willing to offer outfielder Peter Bourjos for "the right reliever."

Knobler hears the Angels had interest in Matt Capps (shoulder) before he hit the DL and could have interest in Jonathan Broxton. Of course, Bourjos would be quite a price to pay for either reliever, so they are likely aiming higher. With that in mind, Knobler hears that the Angels have had discussions with the Nationals. The Angels are also on the lookout for rotation help and have suggested to teams that Kendrys Morales and Garrett Richards could be available in potential deals.

glunn
07-18-2012, 07:55 PM
The Cult of Liriano scores games differently. It's currently 2-2. Liriano's Ks-Runs Scored Against. You're not properly valuing our stud frontliner.

If I were a member of the Cult, we would now be winning this game. Please pass the Kool-Ade.

IdahoPilgrim
07-18-2012, 08:34 PM
Liriano is starting to pitch behind in the count - not a good sign. Hopefully he can hold it together a couple more innings.

JB_Iowa
07-18-2012, 08:43 PM
Spammers are busy tonight out on the other threads.

TheLeviathan
07-18-2012, 08:47 PM
Effectively wild tonight, but probably still enough to build some more trade value.

JB_Iowa
07-18-2012, 08:48 PM
And RCP must be knocking them out.

IdahoPilgrim
07-18-2012, 08:51 PM
So does he go out for the seventh? 100 pitches, but if you're trying to generate trade value you need to show he can go 7-8 innings. I bet they send him out, but on a short leash.

With the exception of that first inning, he's done well - one base runner per inning, and no real scoring threats. Too bad we haven't put up any run support. Let's see if we can get a couple now to get Frankie the win.

Badsmerf
07-18-2012, 08:52 PM
I think Plouffe is now my favorite player. Can't help but pull for the guy. Seems to take things seriously and keeps getting better. I'm more impressed with how well he's played on defense and his continual growth than anything.

Jocko87
07-18-2012, 08:55 PM
Agreed, he seems to be very comfortable even when he isn't hitting home runs. He gave Willingham quite a bit of credit on MLB TV last night for helping him with his approach.

USAFChief
07-18-2012, 08:57 PM
6 IP 2 ER. Clearly the anti Liriano crowd is onto something. No room for that on this staff .

JB_Iowa
07-18-2012, 09:01 PM
Per Bollinger on Twitter: Rhett Bollinger ‏@RhettBollinger Liriano in 10 starts since returning to rotation on May 30: 2.84 ERA with 77 K, 28 BB and 3 HR in 63 1/3 IP. # (http://www.twinsdaily.com/#!/search/%23MNTwins)

snepp
07-18-2012, 09:01 PM
6 IP 2 ER. Clearly the anti Liriano crowd is onto something. No room for that on this staff .

Cultist.

Badsmerf
07-18-2012, 09:03 PM
6 IP 2 ER. Clearly the anti Liriano crowd is onto something. No room for that on this staff .

He is striking too many people out. He needs to get a few more ground balls and let his fielders do the work.

TheLeviathan
07-18-2012, 09:03 PM
Per Bollinger on Twitter: Rhett Bollinger ‏@RhettBollingerLiriano in 10 starts since returning to rotation on May 30: 2.84 ERA with 77 K, 28 BB and 3 HR in 63 1/3 IP. # (http://www.twinsdaily.com/#%21/search/%23MNTwins)

Great trade value if we can get some GMs to join the cult. Those numbers look a lot like the last time he "turned the corner" in 2010. Then 2011 happened.

IdahoPilgrim
07-18-2012, 09:04 PM
6 IP 2 ER. Clearly the anti Liriano crowd is onto something. No room for that on this staff .

The problem is that, given his track record, the next start could just as easily be the reverse - 2 IP 6 ER. I'd love to be able to believe that this time is for real, but when you get burned, it's hard not to be skittish about playing with fire.

USAFChief
07-18-2012, 09:11 PM
The problem is that, given his track record, the next start could just as easily be the reverse - 2 IP 6 ER. I'd love to be able to believe that this time is for real, but when you get burned, it's hard not to be skittish about playing with fire.
The same could be said for any pitcher.

How many pitchers do the twins have with the ability to put up a ten start stretch with the above numbers?

TheLeviathan
07-18-2012, 09:14 PM
2011
MIN
26
24
9
10
0
0
0
1
1
134.1
125
81
76
14
75
112
5.09
1.49
.249



Frontline baby. Frontline.

GCTF
07-18-2012, 09:14 PM
Oh noes, down to 2 catchers now.

USAFChief
07-18-2012, 09:15 PM
I think Plouffe is now my favorite player. Can't help but pull for the guy. Seems to take things seriously and keeps getting better. I'm more impressed with how well he's played on defense and his continual growth than anything.

Hes really looked pretty good.

Odd, considering i was told in spring that its impossible for a guy with the skills to play SS for half a decade of pro ball to ever transition to an easier infield position.

GCTF
07-18-2012, 09:22 PM
Spantastic.

USAFChief
07-18-2012, 09:30 PM
Nice job Fein.

Side note: According to JoeC in the STrib, the MRI on Capps "came back worse than expected."

All I can say is Crapp(s).

Badsmerf
07-18-2012, 09:44 PM
Nice job Fein.

Side note: According to JoeC in the STrib, the MRI on Capps "came back worse than expected."

All I can say is Crapp(s).

Nice contract JR lol. Not that its breaking the bank, just stupid.

snepp
07-18-2012, 09:55 PM
What a cluster**** this inning is turning into.


Twins Baseball™!

Ultima Ratio
07-18-2012, 09:55 PM
Cant' Casilla steal second? Why do we have to sacrifice. ugh....

Ultima Ratio
07-18-2012, 09:57 PM
Total amateur 9th there fellas....

TheLeviathan
07-18-2012, 09:57 PM
It still irritates me so much that this team has good speed and yet can't seem to steal a base when it matters. This just has to be a Gardy thing.

JB_Iowa
07-18-2012, 09:57 PM
Well, they have to get rid of Frankie just because they can't score many runs when he's on the mound. Geez.

Ultima Ratio
07-18-2012, 10:02 PM
Revere must be the only one able to swipe a bag... Span doesn't steal much either.

Badsmerf
07-18-2012, 10:54 PM
I didn't get the jizz fest when Casilla didn't run past that ball. If he gets hit he is out, runner's interference he is out. He doesn't beat the throw anyway. Just thought it was a stupid tantrum.