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Brock Beauchamp
07-15-2012, 10:12 AM
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mnfireman
07-15-2012, 10:49 AM
Span's defense has sucked a** lately but maybe he should be DH'ing today because he has been raking! Unless there's more to his day off than just "getting a day off"....

greengoblinrulz
07-15-2012, 12:01 PM
Twins have commented they will give DeVries one more start at least.
Because his 4.37 ERA is such an embarrasment that they would go back to Walters/Blackburn/Hendriks (whom I like)who havent pitched as well as Cole has so far. Last nite was the anomoly for Cole, but a good start for Blackburn.

snepp
07-15-2012, 12:32 PM
One man's anomaly is another man's regression.

Badsmerf
07-15-2012, 12:41 PM
One man's anomaly is another man's regression.

Too true. I'd be surprised if De Vries can keep an ERA under 5. However, Blackburn's start in the minors is interesting. His GB ratio over over 2:1. I don't understand how he can't get GB here, then he goes to Rochester and gets them at a 2:1 clip. Anyone want to bet he starts again this season?

drunksam
07-15-2012, 01:13 PM
Too true. I'd be surprised if De Vries can keep an ERA under 5. However, Blackburn's start in the minors is interesting. His GB ratio over over 2:1. I don't understand how he can't get GB here, then he goes to Rochester and gets them at a 2:1 clip. Anyone want to bet he starts again this season?

We'll see Blackburn again. If not after a Liriano-type trade, then when rosters expand.

glunn
07-15-2012, 01:19 PM
Here we go again -- Twins look like they will give up runs in top of 1st inning.

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 01:25 PM
As has been said many times and many ways, taking Duensing out of the bullpen, where he was successful, and putting him back in the rotation, was and is idiotic.

snepp
07-15-2012, 01:28 PM
Brian, the bullpen is calling.

glunn
07-15-2012, 01:29 PM
As has been said many times and many ways, taking Duensing out of the bullpen, where he was successful, and putting him back in the rotation, was and is idiotic.

Agreed. Yet they keep sending him out there hoping for a different result.

Shane Wahl
07-15-2012, 01:32 PM
As has been said many times and many ways, taking Duensing out of the bullpen, where he was successful, and putting him back in the rotation, was and is idiotic.

It's also embarrassing. As in it is embarrassing that this manager keeps doing this.

Oakland loaded up on righties to match up against him and here are two runs in the first inning.

PseudoSABR
07-15-2012, 01:37 PM
As has been said many times and many ways, taking Duensing out of the bullpen, where he was successful, and putting him back in the rotation, was and is idiotic.
I came here to post this point. That we turn an actual asset into a pile of poop is frustrating to say the least.

glunn
07-15-2012, 01:37 PM
It's also embarrassing. As in it is embarrassing that this manager keeps doing this.

Oakland loaded up on righties to match up against him and here are two runs in the first inning.

And we are lucky that it was not worse. Duensing got out of the inning with bases loaded.

VATwinsFan
07-15-2012, 01:41 PM
Does anyone else think that Kelly droning on is not unlike listening to fingernails slowly scratching a blackboard?

Seth Stohs
07-15-2012, 01:42 PM
I agree that Duensing is better in the bullpen. We all know that. But for what the Twins need now, I have no problem with them going with him. He's a given in the bullpen, but until the Twins have a much better rotation, it kind of is what it is. He hasn't been bad as a starter (obviously not a great 1st inning today).

glunn
07-15-2012, 01:43 PM
Does anyone else think that Kelly droning on is not unlike listening to fingernails slowly scratching a blackboard?

Well put. And what he is saying is not interesting.

FrodaddyG
07-15-2012, 01:45 PM
He hasn't been bad as a starter (obviously not a great 1st inning today).
3 starts, 0-3. 11.1 IP. 7.15 ERA.

Yes, he's been very, very bad.

snepp
07-15-2012, 01:53 PM
Another awesome start.


Brian has now allowed more runs than innings pitched as a starter.

mnfireman
07-15-2012, 01:53 PM
And so on and so on and so on......

Seth Stohs
07-15-2012, 01:54 PM
I understand that, but as they were stretching him out, he was good for 3 innings. Then got hit. Then he was good for 4 innings and then got hit. Then he was doing OK when he got hit in the leg. He'll be back in the bullpen at some point, but I don't mind them having tried this again temporarilty.

Shane Wahl
07-15-2012, 01:56 PM
3 starts, 0-3. 11.1 IP. 7.15 ERA.

Yes, he's been very, very bad.


Yeah, I was about to post those stats. And now it is gotten dramatically worse. Even Swarzak is a better starting option.

mnfireman
07-15-2012, 01:57 PM
This is getting tough to watch.

GCTF
07-15-2012, 01:58 PM
Look at that ball fly!

glunn
07-15-2012, 01:59 PM
Six runs in the first two innings. At what point do the fans just stop showing up?

Seth Stohs
07-15-2012, 01:59 PM
Yeah, this is pretty bad, and it really is about the lefty-righty splits. It's ridiculous. I'm OK with the attempt, and now it needs to end... but who starts?

GCTF
07-15-2012, 01:59 PM
and look at that ball fly!

notoriousgod71
07-15-2012, 02:00 PM
It's okay, this is the '88 A's he's facing.

snepp
07-15-2012, 02:00 PM
http://yukaripeerless.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/White-Flag.jpg

Shane Wahl
07-15-2012, 02:01 PM
There was no reason to ever stretch him out and try this again.

VATwinsFan
07-15-2012, 02:02 PM
Another Twins starter throwing batting practice I see.

Good grief.

glunn
07-15-2012, 02:06 PM
http://yukaripeerless.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/White-Flag.jpg

They should hang these all over Target Field.

Brock Beauchamp
07-15-2012, 02:06 PM
This team is pretty bad at the game of baseball right now.

notoriousgod71
07-15-2012, 02:07 PM
They should hang these all over Target Field.

Ramon Ortiz?

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 02:13 PM
I never again want to read that Target Field is some sort of grand canyon, where HRs are impossible to hit.

GCTF
07-15-2012, 02:14 PM
Nice catch, Mussolini.

IdahoPilgrim
07-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Nice catch, Mussolini.

I think his name is Mastroianni.

Seth Stohs
07-15-2012, 02:17 PM
Almost have to assume that Duensing doesn't get another start, Blackburn comes back up to the Twins and maybe Robertson gets sent down?

FrodaddyG
07-15-2012, 02:20 PM
Ramon Ortiz?
Reminds me of the joy I got from attending Livan's final game in a Twins uniform. Sat in the RF stands above the baggy to try and catch home run balls, but all of them he gave up went to deep center instead...

TheLeviathan
07-15-2012, 02:20 PM
Duensing has value as a bullpen guy - just accept this fact Twins. Call up some other schmuck and put this guy back where he belongs and never try this again.

glunn
07-15-2012, 02:28 PM
Duensing has value as a bullpen guy - just accept this fact Twins. Call up some other schmuck and put this guy back where he belongs and never try this again.

I agree. At this point I would rather see Butera start a game than Duensing.

greengoblinrulz
07-15-2012, 02:29 PM
Almost have to assume that Duensing doesn't get another start, Blackburn comes back up to the Twins and maybe Robertson gets sent down?
Possible, but this would again anger me as it keeps retreads like Casey Fien & Jeff Gray (who have NO future with team) on the club over a guy like Robertson (left handed specialist only...and a MN developed player) gets the axe.
I hate adding guys over our own developed guys....massive pet peeve.
Duensing probably wouldnt start if PJ Walters didnt have a setback. Walters (back in TCities for an evaluation) said he's not back to square 1 (in Star Tribune) but its a defiante setback.

Badsmerf
07-15-2012, 02:41 PM
Nice to see Dozier starting to hit a little.

greengoblinrulz
07-15-2012, 02:50 PM
Personally, think Dozier will end up up around .260/.270 at yrs end......which means he may have to hit .290 or so 2nd half. Am expecting it.

Top Gun
07-15-2012, 02:51 PM
They might have ruin Duensing for the pen too.

snepp
07-15-2012, 02:51 PM
WTF was up with that creepy segment?

snepp
07-15-2012, 02:52 PM
They might have ruin Duensing for the pen too.

What?

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 02:53 PM
WTF was up with that creepy segment?

any surprise THAT kid is sans girlfriend?

glunn
07-15-2012, 02:54 PM
WTF was up with that creepy segment?

I think that the intended message was that there are people who are even more desperate for success than the Twins.

JB_Iowa
07-15-2012, 02:55 PM
I think Duensing will be okay back in the pen. He really seems to have the mental make-up for it.

When he was in the pen earlier this year, I thought we were seeing the return of "Dirty Duensing" and I was disappointed when they gave him starts again.

This team is like a sieve -- way too many holes to fill.

mike wants wins
07-15-2012, 02:58 PM
Seth, so you'd rather have Duensing stink as a starter, as bad as Hendriks or Blackburn, and not have him in the pen? It's silliness to have him start. He is a good reliever, and an awful starter. There is no upside this year or next, having him start games this year. It's just bad strategic use of your personnel, which shouldn't be surprising for this team....

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 02:58 PM
I think that the intended message was that there are people who are even more desperate for success than the Twins.

Well played.

greengoblinrulz
07-15-2012, 02:59 PM
Perfect time for Gray to have a 5 run inning.

snepp
07-15-2012, 03:00 PM
Well played.

Agreed, very well played.

JB_Iowa
07-15-2012, 03:00 PM
Had to look at the unis again. I thought it was only Blue Jays who could hit this many HR at TF.

glunn
07-15-2012, 03:01 PM
This would be a better telecast if they would devote 95% to that blonde weather girl and interrupt only occasionally to check in on the game.

Badsmerf
07-15-2012, 03:05 PM
Griffey Jr.

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 03:05 PM
I was angry when MLBs idiotic blackout rules prevented me from watching the Twins games last weekend. Little did I know they were doing me a favor.

Badsmerf
07-15-2012, 03:07 PM
I was angry when MLBs idiotic blackout rules prevented me from watching the Twins games last weekend. Little did I know they were doing me a favor.

You shut your mouth when you talk to me!

snepp
07-15-2012, 03:10 PM
I wish Jeff Gray would just go away.



*cue his defense team*

glunn
07-15-2012, 03:11 PM
I was angry when MLBs idiotic blackout rules prevented me from watching the Twins games last weekend. Little did I know they were doing me a favor.

Maybe the Twins are like an alcoholic -- they need to hit bottom before they get better. Getting swept like this by the A's is like waking up with your car crashed into a police station and you are covered in vomit.

greengoblinrulz
07-15-2012, 03:12 PM
I wish Jeff Gray would just go away.



*cue his defense team*
amazed at what the Twins see in him. Lucky for him, but I believe MN plans on keeping him, the minor league relievers have been battling injuries (oliveras, guerra, guittierrez, waldrop earlier in yr) all yr.

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 03:13 PM
I wish Jeff Gray would just go away.



*cue his defense team*

We all wish Jeff Gray would go away, but the problem is he's not even top ten on my personal list of "who do I want to see go away?"

snepp
07-15-2012, 03:15 PM
We all wish Jeff Gray would go away, but the problem is he's not even top ten on my personal list of "who do I want to see go away?"

But he is the most recent.

GCTF
07-15-2012, 03:15 PM
I wish Jeff Gray would just go away.

And he's gone but you probably meant for more than just today.

snepp
07-15-2012, 03:17 PM
"Ingey"


One of traits that TK passed along to Gardy.

GCTF
07-15-2012, 03:17 PM
What do I win if I watch the rest of this game?

snepp
07-15-2012, 03:18 PM
What do I win if I watch the rest of this game?

Masochist of the Week.

Badsmerf
07-15-2012, 03:18 PM
LOL, they just mentioned about how we used to complain about Punto. How I miss the days when we could complain about a scrappy hitter with amazing defense being a dud in the lineup! Compare that to the pitching problems now and it seems pedestrian.

glunn
07-15-2012, 03:20 PM
What do I win if I watch the rest of this game?

In the real world you win a headache. But if there was justice, you would win a weekend in Vegas with that weather girl, so that you could forget this crapfest.

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 03:22 PM
But he is the most recent.

Keep watching.

snepp
07-15-2012, 03:22 PM
Keep watching.

Cruel and unusual punishment.

GCTF
07-15-2012, 03:28 PM
If they can get one in the end zone here they can take the lead.

Pending the extra point.

ashburyjohn
07-15-2012, 03:31 PM
Cruel and unusual punishment.

All too usual, unfortunately.

glunn
07-15-2012, 03:31 PM
The A's are a very small market team. Why not offer every one of their scouts and talent evaluators $10,000 more than they are making now, then clean house?

The A's always seem to have solid pitchers. The Twins could too at a cost that would be less than 10% of what they blew on Marquis.

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 03:33 PM
And now Casilla is trying to bunt for a hit...with two down and a runner on third.

Lexi solidifies his spot at number one on my "who do I want to go away" list.

snepp
07-15-2012, 03:33 PM
All too usual, unfortunately.

I got a good laugh out of that.

USAFChief
07-15-2012, 03:35 PM
I got a good laugh out of that.

Ditto.

glunn
07-15-2012, 03:45 PM
Twins lasted 8 pitches that inning. How bad can this get?

Seth Stohs
07-15-2012, 03:53 PM
Seth, so you'd rather have Duensing stink as a starter, as bad as Hendriks or Blackburn, and not have him in the pen? It's silliness to have him start. He is a good reliever, and an awful starter. There is no upside this year or next, having him start games this year. It's just bad strategic use of your personnel, which shouldn't be surprising for this team....

At the time they moved Duensing into the rotation, I didn't have a problem with it because there just weren't other options. And, 2012 is over, so it's not hurting (or helping) Duensing to get time in the rotation.

Most important for me is 2013, so I think that they do need to let Hendriks work on some things in the minors at this piont and just let him pitch there for awhile. Blackburn could probably come back up, although he's not really any better.

Seth Stohs
07-15-2012, 03:58 PM
Possible, but this would again anger me as it keeps retreads like Casey Fien & Jeff Gray (who have NO future with team) on the club over a guy like Robertson (left handed specialist only...and a MN developed player) gets the axe.
I hate adding guys over our own developed guys....massive pet peeve.

Casey Fien is a retread in the same way that Jared Burton is. I'm all for building from within and it's certainly ideal, and the Twins do that as well (or better) than most teams. If my guess is the way they'd go, Robertson got is chance, like many guys he will take the experience back with him to AAA And come back better, we hope. Happens all the time. My point is always to do what is best for the prospects. Sometimes that is not pushing them. It's not getting 'the axe' permanently.

glunn
07-15-2012, 04:02 PM
Seth, if you were the GM for a day would you fire anyone? At least a scout or two?

VATwinsFan
07-15-2012, 04:28 PM
Well, that was certainly fun.

Bark's Lounge
07-15-2012, 04:36 PM
It appears that the Twins should have sent the big league club to extended spring training over the All-Star Break. This team really sucks out of the gate. I am figuring the 2nd half starting gun is going to be as bad as the Opening Day starting gun. Hello 30 games under .500.... Yehaw!

glunn
07-15-2012, 05:00 PM
It appears that the Twins should have sent the big league club to extended spring training over the All-Star Break. This team really sucks out of the gate. I am figuring the 2nd half starting gun is going to be as bad as the Opening Day starting gun. Hello 30 games under .500.... Yehaw!

Maybe the goal is to get the #1 draft position next year.

Bark's Lounge
07-15-2012, 05:09 PM
If that is the goal I certainly hope there is a Strasburg or Harper type in next years draft. Preference being a Stasburg type.

Brock Beauchamp
07-15-2012, 05:25 PM
If that is the goal I certainly hope there is a Strasburg or Harper type in next years draft. Preference being a Stasburg type.

As bad as the Twins can play at times, they won't match the sheer incompetence that is every level of the Houston Astros organization. The Twins won't gt a Strasburg type from the draft no matter what they do.

Bark's Lounge
07-15-2012, 05:51 PM
If what you say is true. Then you play to win. The MLB Draft is a MF'n crapshoot.

Dilligaf69
07-15-2012, 06:52 PM
Duensing is NOT a starter...he found his niche in the bullpen and that's where he should stay.. I know they have little choice right now but I'd rather see Blackie as the 5th starter as bad as he's been then BD...at least Duensing has value in the pen. Call Hendriks back up and let him continue to take his lumps but BD needs to be back as the situational LHP/7th inning guy he is.

Brock Beauchamp
07-15-2012, 06:52 PM
If what you say is true. Then you play to win. The MLB Draft is a MF'n crapshoot.

More accurately, I think you play to win in 2013. Hendriks, Dozier, Plouffe, Parmelee, Revere, and possibly even Hicks later this season should be getting playing time and lots of it.

jimbo92107
07-15-2012, 07:17 PM
Brian Duensing was doing something subtly wrong with his delivery today. You've all heard of the "chicken wing" move that you do with your glove side elbow? Well, Duensing's chicken wing was loose, not tucked in tight enough. Might seem minor, but letting his glove hand fall away just a little bit resulted in a slower rotation of the scapula, leaving his release point late and subtracting rotations from his spin. Ball rode up high, and hitters had a real fun time smacking his nothing pitches over the fence.

Tuck in that chicken wing tight, Mr. Duensing. Get that good snap. That'll bring the ball down, add a couple mph and a few more rpm to the spin.

striker_86
07-15-2012, 08:30 PM
Pathetic weekend for the Twins. Packed house all 3 games and they couldnt even put up a fight. At least we have Diamond pitching next and Liriano still looks good but the rest of the this rotation can do anything....Trade now!