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Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 09:46 PM
Obviously at this point Trout is the favorite to win ROY, but I think Diamond should get some votes. In fact, if it wasn't for a historic year by Trout/Trumbo, Diamond could easily be a front runner. I really hope he gets a little national love for his season.

gunnarthor
07-13-2012, 10:07 PM
I like Diamond but Darvish, Parker, Chen, Smyly are probably having better seasons.

J-Dog Dungan
07-13-2012, 11:23 PM
Darvish is the kind of rookie that Ichiro was when he came over, a rookie, but not really; Smyly has been good, but not great on a seriously mediocre Tigers team; Chen is doing well but has given up 15 HR's, which is tied for 20th. Parker, though, looks as good as Diamond does on paper.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 11:30 PM
Obviously at this point Trout is the favorite to win ROY, but I think Diamond should get some votes. In fact, if it wasn't for a historic year by Trout/Trumbo, Diamond could easily be a front runner. I really hope he gets a little national love for his season.
Is Trout even eligible? He had over 130 PA last season.

Trumbo isn't even close to eligible.

Curt
07-14-2012, 07:41 AM
Trout, I believe is eligible. 135 PA last season but the qualification is based on 130 at-bats and he had 123 of those. It is ridiculous to base qualification of AB instead of PA but there you go.

As for Japanese players, I think we may have established, based on numerous Nishioka-based discussions that NPB is not a major league. The most reasonable assessment I read was that it was somewhere between AA and AAA. Ichiro, Darvish and maybe a couple of others come over as mature, highly polished and very talented players but we occasionally get those from American minor leagues too. If it is their first year in the majors (or otherwise meet the qualifications) I believe they are rookies.

Chance
07-14-2012, 08:11 AM
Trout is.

Badsmerf
07-14-2012, 11:41 AM
I wasn't sure about Trumbo, just didn't feel like looking it up and threw him in there.

Thrylos
07-14-2012, 01:51 PM
'Tis the All-Star break. Still too early for Rookie of the Year discussions, especially involving Diamond...

Billy Bremner
07-14-2012, 11:55 PM
Twins' fans begging for fifth-place ROY votes for a pitcher who will be out of MLB for good by the end of the 2014, and he'll see 2014 only because Twins are desperate for pitchers, with high preference to white boys. Thanks for the laffs!

sweetluis
07-15-2012, 12:11 PM
Twins' fans begging for fifth-place ROY votes for a pitcher who will be out of MLB for good by the end of the 2014, and he'll see 2014 only because Twins are desperate for pitchers, with high preference to white boys. Thanks for the laffs!

Scott Diamond's 2.62 ERA is the lowest out of all MLB Rookies and 6th best in the AL (Min. 60 IP). Scott is 7 - 3 in 12 starts, of which 10 are quality starts.

Scott is a hard worker who is achieving his goals and you base your comment on what?

Badsmerf
07-15-2012, 12:16 PM
Twins' fans begging for fifth-place ROY votes for a pitcher who will be out of MLB for good by the end of the 2014, and he'll see 2014 only because Twins are desperate for pitchers, with high preference to white boys. Thanks for the laffs!

/Fail

diehardtwinsfan
07-15-2012, 01:59 PM
Scott Diamond's 2.62 ERA is the lowest out of all MLB Rookies and 6th best in the AL (Min. 60 IP). Scott is 7 - 3 in 12 starts, of which 10 are quality starts.

Scott is a hard worker who is achieving his goals and you base your comment on what? Your pessimistic attitude? I think the "laffs" belong to Twin fans when they read your history of negative posts.

Twin fans, who were upset at management trading Billy, what was his last name? (Anyone? ... Anyone? ... Beuhler? .... oh no Bullock), to keep Diamond in 2011, are all eating crow in 2012.

Plan on keeping your barbecue warm Billy. There'll be lots of crow for you at the end of 2014!

I love these fights, especially given that Diamond is Nick Blackburn with a slightly better K rate... Those guys walk a very fine line for being effective in the big leagues. I'm quite willing to enjoy Diamond, but I have a feeling both sides of this fight will be eating serious crow at one point.

snepp
07-15-2012, 02:06 PM
I love these fights, especially given that Diamond is Nick Blackburn with a slightly better K rate...

And one more tiny little thing, a superior groundball rate.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-15-2012, 02:37 PM
I love these fights, especially given that Diamond is Nick Blackburn with a slightly better K rate... Those guys walk a very fine line for being effective in the big leagues. I'm quite willing to enjoy Diamond, but I have a feeling both sides of this fight will be eating serious crow at one point.

What sides? I haven't heard one single person state that Diamond is going to maintain a sub 3.00 ERA long term, most people seem to agree that he could be a nice back end type guy or potentially a nice #3 if his ground ball rate stays up and his walk rate stays down.

The other side seems to do the whole "oh another non hard thrower on the TWins staff, he will be just like Blackburn in a few years blah blah blah"