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Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 03:01 PM
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Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 03:06 PM
Twins:
Span CF
Revere RF
Mauer DH
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Plouffe 3B
Dozier SS
Butera C
Carroll 2B
(Liriano P)

A's:
Crisp CF
Weeks 2B
Reddick RF
Cespedes DH
Carter 1B
Gomes LF
Norris C
Inge 3B
Hicks SS
(Griffin P)

DPJ
07-13-2012, 03:07 PM
Where the hell do the A's continue to find these arms?

I know Oakland can Petco a pitcher, but they keep trading arms only fill them with no name talent that gets the job done.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 03:15 PM
Where the hell do the A's continue to find these arms?

I know Oakland can Petco a pitcher, but they keep trading arms only fill them with no name talent that gets the job done.

Yep. Billy ****in' Beane. That's all I can say about it.

Luckily for the rest of the division, he can't find bats to go with those arms.

Winston Smith
07-13-2012, 03:22 PM
I hope when Liriano is traded they trade Butera with him!

twinswon1991
07-13-2012, 03:28 PM
The All Star game was so taxing for Joe he couldn't man up and catch a game after 4 days off. We need to quit calling him a catcher when he only does the job part time. Nothing like paying 23 mil for a slap hitting DH who forces us to play freaking Butera 50 games per year!

J-Dog Dungan
07-13-2012, 03:32 PM
The All Star game was so taxing for Joe he couldn't man up and catch a game after 4 days off. We need to quit calling him a catcher when he only does the job part time. Nothing like paying 23 mil for a slap hitting DH who forces us to play freaking Butera 50 games per year!

Have you been watching ANY Twins games lately when Liriano is pitching? It has always been Butera catching, because he seems to be able to get through to Liriano on the mound where nobody else has been able to.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 03:40 PM
It has always been Butera catching, because he seems to be able to get through to Liriano on the mound where nobody else has been able to.

Except for that time Liriano had his best season ever with Joe Mauer behind the plate in 2010.

But whether or not Joe should be catching Liriano, it's certainly not his decision. Gardy is the one to blame for that.

twinswon1991
07-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Have you been watching ANY Twins games lately when Liriano is pitching? It has always been Butera catching, because he seems to be able to get through to Liriano on the mound where nobody else has been able to.

If Joe can't get thru to pitchers what value does he have besides a DH/1B? Seriously quit calling this guy a catcher.

minn55441
07-13-2012, 04:12 PM
If Joe can't get thru to pitchers what value does he have besides a DH/1B? Seriously quit calling this guy a catcher.

If not a Catcher, what would you suggest we call him? He has 145 of his 283 AB's while catching. If you are curious, he has 88 while DHing and another 50 while playing first base.

twinswon1991
07-13-2012, 04:33 PM
If not a Catcher, what would you suggest we call him? He has 145 of his 283 AB's while catching. If you are curious, he has 88 while DHing and another 50 while playing first base.



He is a high value utility guy who catches 3 days a week. A rich man's Skip Schumacher with less speed but better vs LHP.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 04:47 PM
A rich man's Skip Schumacher with less speed but better vs LHP.

Calling Joe Mauer a rich man's Skip Schumacher is like calling Craig Biggio a rich man's Nick Punto.

stringer bell
07-13-2012, 04:52 PM
While I am beginning to despise having Butera catch Liriano every time, I have mixed opinions about Mauer. IMHO, how much Mauer catches is a much tougher call. If Mauer is behind the plate too much, he misses games because he gets beat up, If Mauer catches too little, his value at a premium defensive position is not maximized. Gardenhire has used Mauer about 50% of the time as a catcher, I guess I'd like to see him there a bit more. The nonsense of Butera being Liriano's catcher should stop, but in a lost season, it bothers me a bit less.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 05:08 PM
I'm a little skeptical of this game starting on time.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 05:16 PM
Why does is ****ing matter how much Mauer catches this year? He isn't blocking anyone. He isn't taking AB's from Jim Thome. Get off it. Let him build his legs up. Next year this team will be better, and the after a playoff caliber team. Let Mauer spend his time behind the plate then, when there ARE bats that need to be in the lineup. Who ****ing cares right now.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 05:17 PM
Why does is ****ing matter how much Mauer catches this year? He isn't blocking anyone. He isn't taking AB's from Jim Thome. Get off it. Let him build his legs up. Next year this team will be better, and the after a playoff caliber team. Let Mauer spend his time behind the plate then, when there ARE bats that need to be in the lineup. Who ****ing cares right now.

What he said.

glunn
07-13-2012, 05:31 PM
I'm a little skeptical of this game starting on time.

I cannot take much more of this damn All Star break. They need to play tonight even if they have to wear SCUBA gear.

Top Gun
07-13-2012, 06:19 PM
I'm so ready for baseball.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 06:24 PM
The weather is starting to clear. They might just make it on time.

glunn
07-13-2012, 06:39 PM
Those last two games in Texas were blacked out here, so it has been a LONG time since I watched a game. I got so desperate that I had to watch the Yankees and Red Sox and the stinking AAA all star game.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 06:41 PM
Rubbin son, is racin'.

glunn
07-13-2012, 06:54 PM
Rubbin son, is racin'.

Can someone translate this from Smurfish into English?

USAFChief
07-13-2012, 06:58 PM
Why does is ****ing matter how much Mauer catches this year? He isn't blocking anyone. He isn't taking AB's from Jim Thome. Get off it. Let him build his legs up. Next year this team will be better, and the after a playoff caliber team. Let Mauer spend his time behind the plate then, when there ARE bats that need to be in the lineup. Who ****ing cares right now.


I think it's a little...optomistic...to hope Mauer is going to catch MORE as he ages.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 07:02 PM
At this point we need to do everything possible to make Liriano look like a good trade candidate, so yes as crappy as it is to have Butera in the lineup it is a nesecary evil at this point.

Right or wrong it seems to be working for Fragile Frankie. These next 3 starts will make or break what we can get back for Liriano.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 07:02 PM
I think it's a little...optomistic...to hope Mauer is going to catch MORE as he ages.

Mauer isn't being held back from catching because he is banged up, he isn't catching because he doesn't have to.

glunn
07-13-2012, 07:07 PM
Mauer isn't being held back from catching because he is banged up, he isn't catching because he doesn't have to.

That makes sense to me. Why wear him down when the season is already lost.

USAFChief
07-13-2012, 07:18 PM
Mauer isn't being held back from catching because he is banged up, he isn't catching because he doesn't have to.

I guess that's possible. It's also possible--more likely I'd say--this work load is all he can handle and still be able to stay on the field most days.

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:19 PM
anyone keeping an eye on the minors? Pat Dean has 6 no-hit innings for Ft. Myers currently.

mnfireman
07-13-2012, 07:22 PM
If Tim McCarver ia good enough for Steve Carlton, Butera is good enough for Liriano. Goofy lefties anyways!

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 07:25 PM
Not sure who Liriano thinks he is

glunn
07-13-2012, 07:26 PM
anyone keeping an eye on the minors? Pat Dean has 6 no-hit innings for Ft. Myers currently.

Please keep us posted on this!

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:26 PM
Just 8 more innings like that and Frankie will have pitched a pretty decent game.

glunn
07-13-2012, 07:27 PM
Not sure who Liriano thinks he is

He is someone who can strike out the side in the first inning, if he is allowed to have his favorite catcher.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 07:27 PM
I will never doubt the Latino Pitcher Whisperer again. We need to bring back Silva now.

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:30 PM
I will never doubt the Latino Pitcher Whisperer again. We need to bring back Silva now.

I like this comment (assuming sarcasm on the Silva take haha)

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:32 PM
anyone keeping an eye on the minors? Pat Dean has 6 no-hit innings for Ft. Myers currently.

The no-hit bid is no more after 6 1/3 no-hit innings.

mnfireman
07-13-2012, 07:34 PM
Span......again

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:35 PM
tradeable

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 07:35 PM
The no-hit bid is no more after 6 1/3 no-hit innings.

nice jinx :)

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:39 PM
i know i blew it!

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 07:43 PM
Damn. Francisco is dealing.

mnfireman
07-13-2012, 07:45 PM
Hammertime, minus the Span pickoff

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:45 PM
nice hit!

glunn
07-13-2012, 07:46 PM
Damn. Francisco is dealing.

His trade value should zoom if he can sustain this pace.

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:47 PM
His trade value should zoom if he can sustain this pace.

but do you deal him?

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 07:49 PM
but do you deal him?

There is zero reason not to unless you think it's a good idea to spend $12.5m on the guy in 2013.

Given his track record, that's not a good idea. There's too big a risk in trusting Francisco to string together consecutive above-average seasons.

GCTF
07-13-2012, 07:49 PM
I will never doubt the Latino Pitcher Whisperer again. We need to bring back Silva now.

They need to rescue Trashcan Gabino from whatever beer league he's pitching in and let him know they found a cure.

USAFChief
07-13-2012, 07:52 PM
but do you deal him?

No. You extend him.

Chance
07-13-2012, 07:52 PM
With the track record I agree. but are we not looking for an ace for the staff? it is possible we already have one on our roster.... possible. He's not pitching over his potential today. This is his potential this is what he can and should be. I think it's dicey to let him go and try to sign an ace from somewhere else. but yes, his trade value is high and he does have a bad track record.

TheLeviathan
07-13-2012, 07:58 PM
Huzzah trade value....keep going buddy. Just a few more weeks before your wheels fall off again.

glunn
07-13-2012, 07:59 PM
No. You extend him.

I agree, but if they do trade him, they might get something really good if he can keep pitching like he is pitching tonight.

Liriano is the closest to an ace that the Twins may have in the foreseeable future, and I would vote to keep him. But if they do trade him, tonight's performance may greatly enhance his value.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 07:59 PM
With the track record I agree. but are we not looking for an ace for the staff? it is possible we already have one on our roster.... possible. He's not pitching over his potential today. This is his potential this is what he can and should be. I think it's dicey to let him go and try to sign an ace from somewhere else. but yes, his trade value is high and he does have a bad track record.

Since TJ surgery, Francisco has been pretty good, devastatingly awful, really good, really awful, and now his 2012.

Sure, he could put it together for 2013 and be worth $12.5m. But given his track record, I think it's time for the Twins to look in other directions.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 08:00 PM
8 Ks in 3 IP.

Yowza.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:05 PM
I think its the haircut.

Chance
07-13-2012, 08:05 PM
Since TJ surgery, Francisco has been pretty good, devastatingly awful, really good, really awful, and now his 2012.

Sure, he could put it together for 2013 and be worth $12.5m. But given his track record, I think it's time for the Twins to look in other directions.

Right. But if traded or if the Twins go in another direction, don't jump on the bashing wagon like everyone else surely would.

It's a tough call for the Ryan and the Twins. Can't be too upset if either way.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:06 PM
Since TJ surgery, Francisco has been pretty good, devastatingly awful, really good, really awful, and now his 2012.

Sure, he could put it together for 2013 and be worth $12.5m. But given his track record, I think it's time for the Twins to look in other directions.
Look at you go. Talking about baseball again! It must feel good.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:08 PM
Right. But if traded or if the Twins go in another direction, don't jump on the bashing wagon like everyone else surely would.

It's a tough call for the Ryan and the Twins. Can't be too upset if either way.

I don't think anyone would either way. I'm in favor of keeping him and have been all season, but the other side is just as valid.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:09 PM
That is not an out.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 08:11 PM
Yeah, I also wouldn't be crushed if the Twins decide to try to retain Liriano. I lean toward trading him but both sides have their points.

notoriousgod71
07-13-2012, 08:11 PM
He clearly dropped the ball, they figured it out without replay, watch the replay Dick and TK.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:12 PM
I feel very statfreak-esc. How many posts in a row can I get to? I didn't quote myself in any though so maybe I should.

notoriousgod71
07-13-2012, 08:12 PM
Yeah, I also wouldn't be crushed if the Twins decide to try to retain Liriano. I lean toward trading him but both sides have their points.

I'd much rather have Liriano for whatever we end up paying him than whatever FA(s) we decide to pursue. I'll take his bad for his good over Blackburn's good and bad.

GCTF
07-13-2012, 08:16 PM
Confused....did Butera tell him to do that?

notoriousgod71
07-13-2012, 08:17 PM
I'd much rather have Liriano for whatever we end up paying him than whatever FA(s) we decide to pursue. I'll take his bad for his good over Blackburn's good and bad.

And like clock work I start to regret my statement...

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:18 PM
What happened to Bert? I miss him.

Chance
07-13-2012, 08:20 PM
it happens. Span needs to bring in that ball and the inning could have been much different.

GCTF
07-13-2012, 08:21 PM
What happened to Bert? I miss him.

He's now a part time type colour guy.

GCTF
07-13-2012, 08:23 PM
Willingham >>>>>>>>>>> AJ griffin.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Willingham >>>>>>>>>>> AJ griffin.

Willingham>>>>Rondel White

greengoblinrulz
07-13-2012, 08:29 PM
What happened to Bert? I miss him.
Bert used the color analyst job to help promote his cause to get into the HOF. Now that he is there....can make xtra money as a HOFer....he doesnt need to do the tv job anymore. Bet he does 1 more yr & retires from it.

JB_Iowa
07-13-2012, 08:34 PM
Last year I thought that Bert was kind of "losing it" -- mixing up names, forgetting things, etc. -- as though age was catching up with him.

I really thought he needed to cut back. And he seems a little better to me this season.

notoriousgod71
07-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Bert used the color analyst job to help promote his cause to get into the HOF. Now that he is there....can make xtra money as a HOFer....he doesnt need to do the tv job anymore. Bet he does 1 more yr & retires from it.

He should go out in a blaze of swearing glory.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 08:35 PM
Wow hell of an effort by Revere.

That might have been the play of the year if he catches it.

Chance
07-13-2012, 08:35 PM
little Willy is back in the form he started the season.

His and Griffins relationship is identical to Rick Vaughn and Haywood

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Last year I thought that Bert was kind of "losing it" -- mixing up names, forgetting things, etc. -- as though age was catching up with him.

I really thought he needed to cut back. And he seems a little better to me this season.

Funny. I thought last year was his best year. Of course there are things that pissed me off like the Slowey thing and the bunting for hits thing, but that is just Bert.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 08:40 PM
I feel very statfreak-esc. How many posts in a row can I get to? I didn't quote myself in any though so maybe I should.

pathetic

GCTF
07-13-2012, 08:42 PM
"that ball that never settled in his glove".

Nice one, Dick.

GCTF
07-13-2012, 08:45 PM
pathetic

Season over, fire everyone trade everyone

/tirade after spring training game.

Nah, I'm just making that up. Or am I?

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Season over, fire everyone trade everyone

/tirade after spring training game.

Nah, I'm just making that up. Or am I?
I'm pretty sure Stat proclaimed a season over after a May 17ish loss. It was one of his greatest posts ever. Especially since he wrote it: Season. Over.

notoriousgod71
07-13-2012, 09:35 PM
I'm pretty sure Stat proclaimed a season over after a May 17ish loss. It was one of his greatest posts ever. Especially since he wrote it: Season. Over.


Was that 2008 or 2009?

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 09:40 PM
Was that 2008 or 2009?

I think it was 2009 because they made the playoffs. Only reason I think that is because I remember it being hilarious watching him jump on and off the bandwagon multiple times. I could be off though.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 09:42 PM
Wow, tough break for Plouffe. He stung the **** out of that ball.

notoriousgod71
07-13-2012, 09:43 PM
I think it was 2009 because they made the playoffs. Only reason I think that is because I remember it being hilarious watching him jump on and off the bandwagon multiple times. I could be off though.

He's not alone. I remember saying that our collapse in Oakland where Cuddyer got thrown out at home on a WP would be a season ender and we still came back to force 163.

glunn
07-13-2012, 09:44 PM
Wow, tough break for Plouffe. He stung the **** out of that ball.

Tough break for Liriano and the Twins as well.

Badsmerf
07-13-2012, 09:54 PM
He's not alone. I remember saying that our collapse in Oakland where Cuddyer got thrown out at home on a WP would be a season ender and we still came back to force 163.

I remember that game. The game threads back then were epic. The only reason the Twins ended up getting to the postseason was the collapse the Tigers. They ended the season 11-15. The Twins went 16-4 to force game 163.... then got swept in the playoffs.

GCTF
07-13-2012, 09:58 PM
I think it was 2009 because they made the playoffs. Only reason I think that is because I remember it being hilarious watching him jump on and off the bandwagon multiple times. I could be off though.

I think it was 2009. I think he had also vowed to not post anymore if they made the playoffs but he didn't quite live up to that one.

Bark's Lounge
07-13-2012, 09:58 PM
6-3 Oaktown. Our 7-9 batters due up. Unless it's a special night - this game is over.:(

glunn
07-13-2012, 09:59 PM
No one seems interested in talking about tonight's game any more, and with good reason.

glunn
07-13-2012, 10:00 PM
6-3 Oaktown. Our 7-9 batters due up. Unless it's a special night - this game is over.:(

My friend, Mr. Lounge. Have you been watching tonight's mess?

Top Gun
07-13-2012, 10:17 PM
Liriano is about as close as the Twins will ever get to a #1 SP, so why trade him. It will take 20+M to buy one so that won't happen.

Bark's Lounge
07-13-2012, 11:12 PM
My friend, Mr. Lounge. Have you been watching tonight's mess?

My comrade Glunn. Fortunately I did not watch most of the game, but I did watch a little and keep tabs on what was happening. You should never lose a game in which your starter strikes out 15 batters... never. It seems that the supporting cast let Frankie down tonight quite a bit. Let us erase this one from our memories.

Top Gun
07-14-2012, 01:55 AM
Zack Greinke turned in his fourth straight rough outing on Friday, allowing five runs on seven hits over five innings in a no-decision against the Pirates.

Greinke struck out six while walking two in the game. He was in line to pick up his third loss of the week until the Brewers rallied late to take him off the hook.

glunn
07-14-2012, 03:22 AM
My comrade Glunn. Fortunately I did not watch most of the game, but I did watch a little and keep tabs on what was happening. You should never lose a game in which your starter strikes out 15 batters... never. It seems that the supporting cast let Frankie down tonight quite a bit. Let us erase this one from our memories.

It will be difficult for me to ever forget how that ball fell out of Span's glove . But even absent that moment that will live in infamy, the Twins' offense remains disappointing.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-14-2012, 06:53 AM
Was that 2008 or 2009?

Definately 2009, the same year I wrote the post guranteeing the Twins would make the playoffs when they were 3 games out with 4 to play.

Man, game 163 was epic , never will forget that night.