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Seth Stohs
07-12-2012, 12:38 PM
No surprise, but Matt Capps will be activated before Friday's Twins game. He pitched two innings of rehab in Ft. Myers.

Parker Hageman
07-12-2012, 12:39 PM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?787-Capps-reinstated-from-DL

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 12:40 PM
Good news, hopefully some teams out there need some bullpen help down the stretch and the Twins can get something for him.

greengoblinrulz
07-12-2012, 12:45 PM
Option out your own guy who's pitched very well in last 3yrs........keep old retread pitchers who dont have good AAA/mlb numbers......classic Twins

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 12:47 PM
Option out your own guy who's pitched very well in last 3yrs........keep old retread pitchers who dont have good AAA/mlb numbers......classic Twins

Capps hasn't pitched well?

Besides, he has value to other teams. You think the Twins should ignore that when the trade deadline is less than three weeks away?

diehardtwinsfan
07-12-2012, 12:51 PM
yeah, this has to be a "showcase" type move in hopes of dumping capps... Doubt they will get much for him, but I want nothing to do with that option, so trading him for a C prospect right now would be nice.

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 12:58 PM
yeah, this has to be a "showcase" type move in hopes of dumping capps... Doubt they will get much for him, but I want nothing to do with that option, so trading him for a C prospect right now would be nice.

Given the Twins current bullpen, Capps is expendable. There is no reason not to trade him and get what you can for the guy. Hopefully some teams really need a "closer" (gags a little).

Mr. Ed
07-12-2012, 01:19 PM
Given the Twins current bullpen, Capps is expendable. There is no reason not to trade him and get what you can for the guy. Hopefully some teams really need a "closer" (gags a little).

Capps will be dealt, if at all, to someone needing a setup man.

And the Twins likely will have to pay most if not all, of the salary.

DPJ
07-12-2012, 01:23 PM
The Twins will keep Capps around for 2013, I promise you this.

greengoblinrulz
07-12-2012, 01:25 PM
Capps hasn't pitched well?

Besides, he has value to other teams. You think the Twins should ignore that when the trade deadline is less than three weeks away?

My fault....of course Capps.....talkin bout Jeff Gray/Casey Fien

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 01:36 PM
The Twins will keep Capps around for 2013, I promise you this.

I don't think so. With the bullpen already consisting of Burton, Perkins, and later Duensing again, the Twins don't need an expensive guy to anchor their pen. That money would be far better served on a starter and I think JR knows that.

DPJ
07-12-2012, 01:38 PM
I don't think so. With the bullpen already consisting of Burton, Perkins, and later Duensing again, the Twins don't need an expensive guy to anchor their pen. That money would be far better served on a starter and I think JR knows that.

Like it would have been better not signing an expensive bullpen anchor while getting a much needed draft pick last offseason?

Does JR really know that?

James
07-12-2012, 01:38 PM
The Twins will keep Capps around for 2013, I promise you this.
Under Bill Smith, they definitely would have kept him around. This year, I think he's established some trade value, and there are enough teams trying to make a push for the playoffs that need some bullpen help. Someone will trade for him.

I'm not sure how much we'll get, but he will probably be gone this year. If not by the end of July, he will be by the end of August before the waiver trade deadline.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
07-12-2012, 01:43 PM
Thank goodness he's back. Perkins is not a good closer. Burton did fairly well in the role, yet I think Capps is better. We need to get this trade bait going too.

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 01:46 PM
Like it would have been better not signing an expensive bullpen anchor while getting a much needed draft pick last offseason?

Does JR really know that?

That was also before the emergence of Burton. While I hated retaining Capps instead of taking the pick, I understand JR's hesitation in heading to 2012 without a solid right-hander out of the pen.

DPJ
07-12-2012, 01:54 PM
That was also before the emergence of Burton. While I hated retaining Capps instead of taking the pick, I understand JR's hesitation in heading to 2012 without a solid right-hander out of the pen.

You know how bullpens fluctuate from year to year RP. One year a guys balls and the next he can't find the strikezone it's just how pens work.

If the Twins are stupid enough to think Burton is gonna repeat his first half 2012 again then god help this organization.

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 02:00 PM
You know how bullpens fluctuate from year to year RP. One year a guys balls and the next he can't find the strikezone it's just how pens work.

If the Twins are stupid enough to think Burton is gonna repeat his first half 2012 again then god help this organization.

Oh, he won't repeat the performance but he's no less of a sure thing than Capps in a lot of ways. And if that's the case, why keep Capps?

DPJ
07-12-2012, 02:03 PM
Oh, he won't repeat the performance but he's no less of a sure thing than Capps in a lot of ways. And if that's the case, why keep Capps?

There's ya go, if they get rid of Capps it's cause they he's a chip. Not cause of Burton or anyother RHP in the pen.

But I don't think they're gonna, Gardy loves him and you know the preimum this team places on getting 3 stupid outs.

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 02:06 PM
There's ya go, if they get rid of Capps it's cause they he's a chip. Not cause of Burton or anyother RHP in the pen.

But I don't think they're gonna, Gardy loves him and you know the preimum this team places on getting 3 stupid outs.

Correction: the three most important outs.

Because all other outs only count for 3/5ths of an out.

DPJ
07-12-2012, 02:14 PM
Correction: the three most important outs.

Because all other outs only count for 3/5ths of an out.

Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 02:25 PM
Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.

Oh, come on. You had to know I was joking there.

DPJ
07-12-2012, 02:42 PM
Oh, come on. You had to know I was joking there.

You're not the same RP I used to know...you've changed.

mike wants wins
07-12-2012, 02:53 PM
3/5 of an out....awesome sarcasm. Awesome.

diehardtwinsfan
07-12-2012, 03:09 PM
3/5 of an out....awesome sarcasm. Awesome.

Correct. In Gardy world, the 9th inning outs are the most important, and games lost in April don't count.

Boom Boom
07-12-2012, 03:13 PM
How much do outs count for on Thursday or Sunday getaway days?

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 03:30 PM
How much do outs count for on Thursday or Sunday getaway days?

Double, which is why you only play people who are half as good at baseball on those days.

Otherwise it's unfair.

mini_tb
07-12-2012, 03:36 PM
Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.

Look on the bright side. Capps on a 1 year contract at $4.75 is a lot more palatable than the 4 year/$50M contract Philly handed out to Papelbon. Now there's a *last place* team that puts proper emphasis on the last 3 outs!!

Also, as a quick aside, how do you pronounce Matt Capps' middle name, Dicus?

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 03:46 PM
Also, as a quick aside, how do you pronounce Matt Capps' middle name, Dicus?

Do you really want anybody here to answer that question?

YLT
07-12-2012, 04:24 PM
The Twins should take whatever they can get for Capps or even just look for a salary dump without any C level prospect - I'd be fine with that. They're paying this "proven closer" ~$80000 per out at this point. What a complete waste of money.

Shane Wahl
07-12-2012, 05:42 PM
Given the Twins current bullpen, Capps is expendable. There is no reason not to trade him and get what you can for the guy. Hopefully some teams really need a "closer" (gags a little).

Well it might more likely be that teams with closers might see Capps has a good setup man (fairly true).

glunn
07-12-2012, 06:19 PM
The key point seems to be that a last place team should not be spending big dollars on an expensive closer. Also, the best possible outcome will be for Capps to come back strong, so that some other team will make a good offer for him.

USAFChief
07-12-2012, 06:20 PM
Who's to say they're the most important outs. What if there's a couple on and no outs in the 7th or 8th?

The bottom line is they're 3 outs that any respectable arm can get but the Twins have always placed a premium on them. Hell as crazy as it sound keeping Capps and having Perkins and Burton stay in the fireman role in either the 6th, 7th or 8th might be best for this team.

What's not crazy is having enough good relievers so you're consistently getting 3 outs in almost every high leverage inning after the 6th, no matter which order you pitch them in.

1, 2, or 3 man bullpens--with the rest being low quality filler--don't work very well over 162 games. You're going to need every single one of your bullpen arms to pitch meaningful, high-leverage innings during multiple games over the course of a season. And you'll most likely need more than that, filling in from the minors for guys who get hurt, or are ineffective.

I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.

glunn
07-12-2012, 06:41 PM
I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.

Well said, Chief. I would add that a few extra losses in 2012 might result in a better draft position in 2013.

Top Gun
07-12-2012, 08:30 PM
Why don't you just forfeit.

Brock Beauchamp
07-12-2012, 09:12 PM
What's not crazy is having enough good relievers so you're consistently getting 3 outs in almost every high leverage inning after the 6th, no matter which order you pitch them in.

1, 2, or 3 man bullpens--with the rest being low quality filler--don't work very well over 162 games. You're going to need every single one of your bullpen arms to pitch meaningful, high-leverage innings during multiple games over the course of a season. And you'll most likely need more than that, filling in from the minors for guys who get hurt, or are ineffective.

I'm all for dealing Capps, but let's not pretend doing so doesn't weaken the 2012 bullpen.

If Duensing goes back to the pen where he belongs, the Twins pen is fine. They have four quality arms in the pen: Burnett, Burton, Duensing, Perkins. That's plenty. Of course, the more the merrier but it's not as if Capps is holding down the pen.

TheSchweeze
07-12-2012, 10:46 PM
ATTN: rocketpig
Even if no one else does, I get the 3/5 joke...congratulations on finding humor in our forefathers mistake.

Fire Dan Gladden
07-12-2012, 10:47 PM
For some reason the Twins feel they need to have the "Closer" position solidified, whether it is a good decision or not. Everybody new that the Twins chances this year were pretty slim, yet they decided to resign him anyways. While trading him would now, especially when he has been pitching fairly well, would make the most sense, I don't believe sense will play into the team's decision. If Capps is not moved before the deadline, it is a guarantee the team will pick up his option for next year.

Glenn Perkins does not need to be the closer, they need to continue to put him in the high leverage middle inning situations. He excels there. Locking him into a fixed situation where the pressure level fluctuates does not seem to suit him. Does anybody remember Matt Guerrer? Same thing for him.

Rosterman
07-12-2012, 10:59 PM
And the Twins do have arms in the minors that still need a major league look (Slama if he can get healthy). Guerra should be next in line. And, yes...you don't need a first-line closer if you aren't winning games. You can develop one.......

Blackjack
07-13-2012, 07:04 AM
The Twins like a good closer because management realizes that itís a psychological blow to the whole team every time they lose in the 9th inning. Can you say 'Ron Davis'?

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 07:37 AM
The key point seems to be that any team should not be spending big dollars on an expensive closer.

I edited your post for clarity. I hope you don't mind.

"Closers" are nonsense in their current iteration. In many cases, guys like Perkins and Burton are more valuable than a ninth inning specialist. Since the advent of the "ninth inning closer", baseball teams are winning the exact same percentage of games they lead heading into the ninth that they were before La Russa created the Eckersley monster.

And if teams aren't winning a higher percentage of games they're winning leading into the ninth, why would anyone pay big money to a ninth inning specialist?

A "Bullpen Ace", on the other hand... That's an idea I can get behind.

Top Gun
07-13-2012, 08:11 AM
Saves is a stat and pitchers get paid big money for this and managers know it.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 08:49 AM
Twins should be talking to the Giants about trading for Capps.
Also people act like 4.75 million is an ungodly amount of money, there is no reason why a team won't/can't pick up that money the rest of the season and throw in a decent prospect.

Other then K-Rod (who is very expensive) Capps is most likely the best closer/set up guy on the market this year, and teams for whatever reason have a history of over paying in both cash and prospect for proven closers.

Brock Beauchamp
07-13-2012, 08:52 AM
Saves is a stat and pitchers get paid big money for this and managers know it.

While I understand the sentiment, then the GM should play "bad guy" in this role and tell the players that it's his idea.

Baseball is about winning games, not making players feel good about themselves or making sure they get a huge payday. The Twins would never attract a big FA bullpen guy with this thinking but this thinking goes against the notion of a "big FA bullpen guy" in the first place.

DPJ
07-13-2012, 08:55 AM
Twins should be talking to the Giants about trading for Capps.
Also people act like 4.75 million is an ungodly amount of money, there is no reason why a team won't/can't pick up that money the rest of the season and throw in a decent prospect.


Why in the hell do the Giants want Capps? Casilla, Romo, Affeldt have and Hensley are more then enough?

4.75 and a decent prospect...what world do you live in? This isn't Papelbon or some lights out relief pitcher. He's a medicore relief arm at best who's got a pretty healthy contract NTM the buyout for 2013.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-13-2012, 09:04 AM
Why in the hell do the Giants want Capps? Casilla, Romo, Affeldt have and Hensley are more then enough?

4.75 and a decent prospect...what world do you live in? This isn't Papelbon or some lights out relief pitcher. He's a medicore relief arm at best who's got a pretty healthy contract NTM the buyout for 2013.
Casilla has been crappy the past 5 or so opps.

Then again, I'm not sure why I am even responding to you re: this topic, we all know your rebuttal:
"derp derp Capps sucks derp knowbody will take that ungodly 4.75 mil contract off our hand, Twins suck, Gardy Sucks, Cuddyer sucks, Plouffe sucks derp"

mini_tb
07-13-2012, 09:10 AM
Why in the hell do the Giants want Capps? Casilla, Romo, Affeldt have and Hensley are more then enough?

4.75 and a decent prospect...what world do you live in? This isn't Papelbon or some lights out relief pitcher. He's a medicore relief arm at best who's got a pretty healthy contract NTM the buyout for 2013.

Remember, 1/2 of Capps 2012 contract has already been paid, so it would only be $2.375M or so. Can't disagree with the rest, though!!

DPJ
07-13-2012, 09:33 AM
Casilla has been crappy the past 5 or so opps.

So he's had a couple rough outtings so you take on 2.37 million and give up a decent prospect for Matt freakin Capps?


Remember, 1/2 of Capps 2012 contract has already been paid, so it would only be $2.375M or so. Can't disagree with the rest, though!!

2.37 is alot for a guy that's a non-elite relief pitcher who's had health issues this season. Work in his buyout for next season and that's damn near 3 million dollars for a half of a season of Matt Capps. Would you pay 3 million for half a season of Matt Capps?

mini_tb
07-13-2012, 10:18 AM
So he's had a couple rough outtings so you take on 2.37 million and give up a decent prospect for Matt freakin Capps?



2.37 is alot for a guy that's a non-elite relief pitcher who's had health issues this season. Work in his buyout for next season and that's damn near 3 million dollars for a half of a season of Matt Capps. Would you pay 3 million for half a season of Matt Capps?

Absolutely not. Capps would be 4th or 5th on the bullpen depth chart for the Giants. That's a lot of cash for what would probably amount to a mop up guy. Besides, they've got Lincecum for that once they get fed up with him in the rotation.

Thrylos
07-13-2012, 05:43 PM
The manager said that Capps will not be closing for a while... way to increase his trade value with half a month left...

Roncoomerfan
07-14-2012, 07:34 PM
The manager said that Capps will not be closing for a while... way to increase his trade value with half a month left...

Pretty sure this doesn't matter. Capps is going to a contender most likely as a 7th or 8th inning guy.

Loosey
07-27-2012, 09:45 AM
The