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Brock Beauchamp
07-07-2012, 12:51 PM
If someone could post the lineups when they become available, I'll be your best friend for the rest of the day.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 05:21 PM
Minnesota
Span CF
Revere RF
Mauer C
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Doumit DH
Plouffe 3B
Dozier SS
Carroll 2B
Deduno P

Texas
Kinsler 2B
Andrus SS
Hamilton DH
Beltre 3B
Cruz RF
Young 1B
Murphy LF
Napoli C
Gentry CF
Holland P

Jocko87
07-07-2012, 06:16 PM
Screw you Fox! Good Day all, let me know how it goes.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:20 PM
Another out on the bases.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 06:20 PM
What's with the old road greys?

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 06:22 PM
What's with the old road greys?

It's a "turn back the clock" night, to 1994 jerseys. Have no clue why.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:27 PM
Dick's broadcast partner starts talking about Andrus' OBP, Dick probably got a confused look on his face.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 06:28 PM
What's with the old road greys?

Just got the scoop from TV - 1994 was the first year of the Rangers ballpark, so they're wearing 1994 jerseys, and the Twins did as well.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:30 PM
Revere's range saved a double there.

GCTF
07-07-2012, 06:31 PM
Gardy's allowing Mauer to catch a Latino?

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:32 PM
Gardy's allowing Mauer to catch a Latino?

A social experiment?

USAFChief
07-07-2012, 06:33 PM
Revere's range saved a double there.

pfft. Revere's range only plays in left.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:36 PM
Plouffe with a non-HR RBI.



And now another run comes in.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 06:37 PM
maybe we were all a little too quick to jump off the morneau bandwagon. Another hit off of a lefty. solid base knock.

USAFChief
07-07-2012, 06:37 PM
Multiple run inning. Me likey.

Edit: Forgetting how many outs there are. Me no likey.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 06:38 PM
What the??!!?!! Dozier, you're killing me - just killing me!

minn55441
07-07-2012, 06:40 PM
giving away outs. signs of a "not well coached" team.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:40 PM
I missed the Dozier debacle, what happened?

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 06:41 PM
giving away outs. signs of a "not well coached" team.

That's not on the coaching staff - high school players are supposed to know how many outs there are, and run the bases accordingly.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 06:41 PM
I missed the Dozier debacle, what happened?

Dozier forgot how many outs there were, was running on a fly ball with one out, got doubled off first.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:44 PM
Dozier forgot how many outs there were, was running on a fly ball with one out, got doubled off first.

That's beautiful.


Isn't an out reminder one of the limited responsibilities of the first base coach?

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 06:52 PM
That's beautiful.


Isn't an out reminder one of the limited responsibilities of the first base coach?

You're probably correct, so we can split the responsibility for the mental error, but I'm still going to blame Dozier more. At this level players should be past mental mistakes that large. Heck, I play church-league softball, and I always know how many outs there are regardless if a coach tells me.

GCTF
07-07-2012, 06:53 PM
Well he got himself out of some deep deduno there.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 06:54 PM
Yes! Nice play at the plate! That's still two wild pitches in the inning, though. Hope Deduno can settle down.

USAFChief
07-07-2012, 06:55 PM
Chances Deduno throws a pitch in the 6th?

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:57 PM
You're probably correct, so we can split the responsibility for the mental error, but I'm still going to blame Dozier more. At this level players should be past mental mistakes that large. Heck, I play church-league softball, and I always know how many outs there are regardless if a coach tells me.

I agree, there's no excuse for Dozier not knowing the outs. I was just using the opportunity to take a shot at the on-field management.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:58 PM
Chances Deduno throws a pitch in the 6th?

Not good.

snepp
07-07-2012, 06:59 PM
Well he got himself out of some deep deduno there.

*snicker*

kydoty
07-07-2012, 06:59 PM
I always wondered why no one has tried to railroad the pitcher when he's covering the plate instead of the catcher. I get the old "he'll throw at your head" argument, but it's not like players haven't done other things to piss off the other team before.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 07:07 PM
I agree, there's no excuse for Dozier not knowing the outs. I was just using the opportunity to take a shot at the on-field management.

I played for a manager that would pull you out of the game if you made an error like that. maybe we should have carroll slide over to SS and put Lexi in at 2b. think maybe Dozier and the rest of the guys would pay attention while running the bases the rest of the game?

It is the players job to perform on the field. It is the mangers job to motivate that performance. Players will perform at the level that is expected of them. I've always been in Gardy's corner, but after last year I am looking more critically of what is happening and who is being held accountable.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 07:10 PM
Who says the Hammer is a liability in the field? Nice running catch at the wall.

USAFChief
07-07-2012, 07:25 PM
well poop

jctwins
07-07-2012, 07:26 PM
What's with the old road greys?

Les Straker night?

snepp
07-07-2012, 07:28 PM
That tightrope continues to be walked.

snepp
07-07-2012, 07:29 PM
well poop

Potty mouth.

ashburyjohn
07-07-2012, 07:48 PM
Nice clutch strikeout of Kinsler. Now to face Andrus - can't walk him to load the bases for Hamilton, so this will be a great test.

ashburyjohn
07-07-2012, 07:50 PM
Aaaaand... Karl Wallenda remains on the tightrope after a serious wobble. Well done.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 07:52 PM
Well, it hasn't been pretty with Deduno, but facing a tough Texas lineup, you have to say he has done alright.

snepp
07-07-2012, 07:52 PM
Hammer time.

GCTF
07-07-2012, 07:53 PM
In the lead again.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 07:58 PM
I've been impressed with Deduno. Started two DP's and making a play at the plate. Only giving up two runs through 5 innings against the rangers, that is a minnesota quality start.

ashburyjohn
07-07-2012, 07:59 PM
Hammer time.

He certainly seemed willing. And able.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 07:59 PM
Man, Twins have gotta be pulling their hair out about Hendriks - pitched 7 scoreless innings for Rochester tonight, gave up 5 hits, got the win.

Why can't he do that when he's up here?

mnfireman
07-07-2012, 08:00 PM
Why Gardy, why!?!?

minn55441
07-07-2012, 08:03 PM
Ok, I jinxed him. Wow did Beltre get a hold of that one.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 08:06 PM
Why Gardy, why!?!?

I agree, he only gave up 3 runs. Compared to what we have seen so far in 2012, that could be one of the top 20 performances by any of our starters this year.

USAFChief
07-07-2012, 08:06 PM
Late post...but IMO the bottom of the 5th is a perfect example of why sacrifice bunting is so rarely good strategy. Wobbling pitcher on the mound, and you intentionally make an out. One strikeout later, and you're almost out of the inning.

Badsmerf
07-07-2012, 08:33 PM
Man, Twins have gotta be pulling their hair out about Hendriks - pitched 7 scoreless innings for Rochester tonight, gave up 5 hits, got the win.

Why can't he do that when he's up here?

He would if they would keep him in MN long enough to do it. Just like any player, you have to let them get comfortable.

snepp
07-07-2012, 08:34 PM
Late post...but IMO the bottom of the 5th is a perfect example of why sacrifice bunting is so rarely good strategy. Wobbling pitcher on the mound, and you intentionally make an out. One strikeout later, and you're almost out of the inning.

Yup, they did him a favor by giving him an out.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 08:38 PM
Man, Twins have gotta be pulling their hair out about Hendriks - pitched 7 scoreless innings for Rochester tonight, gave up 5 hits, got the win.

Why can't he do that when he's up here?

Big difference between AAA hitters and major league hitters. Hopefully he will eventually be able to make the adjustments needed to get them out consistently.

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 08:42 PM
Big difference between AAA hitters and major league hitters. Hopefully he will eventually be able to make the adjustments needed to get them out consistently.

I agree, but I also wonder if some of it is mental - he may be more tense when in the majors, knowing he has to be more careful and more precise in his pitching. He knows he can pitch in AAA; he may feel less pressure there and be able to pitch more relaxed.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 08:43 PM
Robertson against Hamilton? Then again, I don't like anyone against Hamilton except for Perkins and he took Perkins deep earlier this year at Target Field. Throw a good pitch and hope for the best, I guess.

USAFChief
07-07-2012, 08:44 PM
Robertson vs Hamilton...what could go wrong?

kydoty
07-07-2012, 08:45 PM
Robertson vs. Hamilton. Because Robertson vs. Fielder went so well the other day.

USAFChief
07-07-2012, 08:46 PM
I like Burnett vs. Beltre better anyway.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 08:48 PM
Robertson vs Hamilton...what could go wrong?

Could have been worse. He could have thrown him a strike and it could have gone a long way. Not sure if I like Burnett against Beltre any better.

John Bonnes
07-07-2012, 08:54 PM
Robertson vs. Hamilton. Because Robertson vs. Fielder went so well the other day.

Before that Filder at bat, Robertson had looked awfully good, especially against LHs. I still feel awfully good about him in there.

mikeee
07-07-2012, 08:55 PM
Before that Filder at bat, Robertson had looked awfully good, especially against LHs. I still feel awfully good about him in there.

Gardy sure must think so too if he put him in there with the tie game and hamilton up.

mikeee
07-07-2012, 08:56 PM
Go Hammer!

mikeee
07-07-2012, 08:58 PM
hrm.
Morneau and a lefty...

Dilligaf69
07-07-2012, 09:00 PM
He would if they would keep him in MN long enough to do it. Just like any player, you have to let them get comfortable.


He has 11 or 12 starts..that's a pretty good chance and has no wins...he has'nt pitched well up here for whatever reason. He'll get another shot and I think when/if he finally gets that 1st win more will come he just has to trust his stuff at the ML level as much as at AAA, or maybe he isn't good enough to stick with the Twins..we'll see. I hope he does cuz we need starters obviously.

Dilligaf69
07-07-2012, 09:02 PM
Ouch Justin!....just pretend they're all RHP..

Badsmerf
07-07-2012, 09:13 PM
He has 11 or 12 starts..that's a pretty good chance and has no wins...he has'nt pitched well up here for whatever reason. He'll get another shot and I think when/if he finally gets that 1st win more will come he just has to trust his stuff at the ML level as much as at AAA, or maybe he isn't good enough to stick with the Twins..we'll see. I hope he does cuz we need starters obviously.
First, he has 8 starts. Not to really split hairs, but 3 weeks then demotion followed by 3 weeks and a demotion is hardly giving him a chance. Plus, wins are hardly a gauge for a starting pitcher. He needs time to work through his lumps. I don't get why the Twins are so terrible with young players and expect them to produce right away or ship them back to Rochester.

powrwrap
07-07-2012, 09:24 PM
How many times can commentator Mitch Williams be wrong?

IdahoPilgrim
07-07-2012, 09:25 PM
First, he has 8 starts. Not to really split hairs, but 3 weeks then demotion followed by 3 weeks and a demotion is hardly giving him a chance. Plus, wins are hardly a gauge for a starting pitcher. He needs time to work through his lumps. I don't get why the Twins are so terrible with young players and expect them to produce right away or ship them back to Rochester.

You mean, like Dozier?:)

Seriously, I can understand why the Twins did it in May - at that point they weren't ready to write off the season. If somebody stumbles out of the gate, you do what you have to to get back in the race before it's over.

I can see the argument that perhaps they pulled the plug too quickly after the second stint - he wasn't quite as bad as that first run, and by then we knew the season was well and truly over.

Top Gun
07-07-2012, 09:26 PM
He stinks the place up.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 09:38 PM
How many times can commentator Mitch Williams be wrong?

I don't mind him as a commentator on the MLB network, but I'm not a fan of his color commentary during a game broadcast.

Badsmerf
07-07-2012, 09:39 PM
You mean, like Dozier?:)

Seriously, I can understand why the Twins did it in May - at that point they weren't ready to write off the season. If somebody stumbles out of the gate, you do what you have to to get back in the race before it's over.

I can see the argument that perhaps they pulled the plug too quickly after the second stint - he wasn't quite as bad as that first run, and by then we knew the season was well and truly over.

Dozier has been an exception this year. I think its the right decision to keep him up though.

Top Gun
07-07-2012, 09:43 PM
And they can't afford the 7M for Nate.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 09:52 PM
Kinsler is having a tough night, in the field and at the plate.

nicksaviking
07-07-2012, 09:53 PM
If you didn't know the color guy was Mitch Williams, you'd think it was the Rangers PR guy. It's almost like he expected Bremer to call the game partial for the Twins so he felt obligated to take the Rangers side.

snepp
07-07-2012, 10:05 PM
Not the most impressive display there by Willingham.

minn55441
07-07-2012, 10:06 PM
You win some, you lose some. We got a good start out of Deduno. Play another one tomorrow.

Top Gun
07-07-2012, 10:16 PM
Another day another lose for Gardy.

glunn
07-07-2012, 11:30 PM
They did not carry the game on Extra Innings today, but what I am reading here gives me hope that Deduno may develop into a solid starter.

Pius Jefferson
07-08-2012, 01:44 AM
I wonder if we'll see Diamond for an inning tomorrow? The earliest he can pitch is next Friday, which is eight days between starts.