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SwainZag
07-04-2012, 02:03 PM
As per Joe C on twitter.

https://twitter.com/JoeCStrib/status/220591904562229248

What's the word on Fien? Blackburn had to go.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 02:06 PM
Not a big surprise. Gardy hinted last night after the game that something would happen, and this makes sense. Fien is needed to shore up a bullpen that has been overused. It does mean they need a starter for Sunday - will Walters be ready, or will they call up French or Deduno?

Highabove
07-04-2012, 02:14 PM
Deduno will eventually be up here if he can keep his walks down.

stringer bell
07-04-2012, 02:23 PM
I liked Fien in spring training. He's worked a lot at Rochester, and got knocked around a few times, but generally has done very well. He is a BP guy, throws hard enough, doesn't walk many, but he's 28, so I doubt he's considered much of a prospect. He pitched for the Tigers and just about everybody has claimed him and then let him go. Best of luck Casey.

PseudoSABR
07-04-2012, 02:25 PM
Does Blackburn actually have options?

Jeremy Nygaard
07-04-2012, 02:27 PM
All you need to know about Casey Fien:

Right-handed, strictly relief pitcher. Has 52 days of major league service time (all with Tigers in 2009 and 2010). I looked back through years of transactions and found he's been optioned in 2009 and 2010, so it appears he has an option left.

Has decent strikeout numbers over his minor league career.

As was mentioned above, it appears the Twins will have to call on a starter eventually, but with the ASG break coming up, and Swarzak in the bullpen, the Twins might be able to get through the rest of the week without making anymore moves. P.J. Walters will probably be ready to be activated by the time the Twins have a need after the break.

Brock Beauchamp
07-04-2012, 02:28 PM
Praise Jesus, for we have been delivered from evil.

John Bonnes
07-04-2012, 02:28 PM
Does Blackburn actually have options? Yes, he does.

So who is pitching Sunday?

DPJ
07-04-2012, 02:30 PM
So who is pitching Sunday?

Good time for a bullpen game.

Start with Burnett for 1-2 innings and figure it out from there.

Jeremy Nygaard
07-04-2012, 02:30 PM
Does Blackburn actually have options?

Blackburn, technically, had two options remaining. He was closing in on 5 years of service time (he's currently at 4.106) at which point he could refuse an assignment. But at anytime between yesterday and 67 days from now, the Twins can do it without his permission.

I've mentioned it before, but I will again: There are 94 calendar days left this year, if he spends 28 days in the minor leagues, his option year will be an arbitration year and not a free agent year. I don't think it really matters, since he's proving he's not a major league caliber pitcher, but it is interesting.

darin617
07-04-2012, 02:34 PM
Just DFA his sorry azz and lets move on and never bring up the name of Nick Blackburn again.

SweetOne69
07-04-2012, 02:44 PM
My Guess is that Swarzak is going to start on Sunday, with Walters returning to the rotation after the AS Break.

greengoblinrulz
07-04-2012, 02:47 PM
2-5 w/9sv 4.30 ERA in 33 gms...46IP .228BAve 42k 14bb.....5.29ERA ERA since April 23.....5.55ERA in AAA last yr
been pretty average at best this year. This is the perfect arguement of why this team is what it is. Call up a bullpen guy who truly doesnt deserve to be in majors & earned nothing.
Caleb Thielbar, Esmeril Vasquez & Bobby Lanigan were all better options & have pitched better with Deolis Guerra having to grow up sometime before next season sitting there also.

greengoblinrulz
07-04-2012, 02:48 PM
Yes, he does.

So who is pitching Sunday?
Duensing, pitching tonite, will be on 3 days rest.....could get the start & just go 3-5 IP with Swarzak for backup.

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 02:59 PM
Color me surprised and impressed the org had the nads to send him down.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 03:07 PM
2-5 w/9sv 4.30 ERA in 33 gms...46IP .228BAve 42k 14bb.....5.29ERA ERA since April 23.....5.55ERA in AAA last yr
been pretty average at best this year. This is the perfect arguement of why this team is what it is. Call up a bullpen guy who truly doesnt deserve to be in majors & earned nothing.
Caleb Thielbar, Esmeril Vasquez & Bobby Lanigan were all better options & have pitched better with Deolis Guerra having to grow up sometime before next season sitting there also.

With respect, those numbers don't seem that bad to me. He has a lower WHIP and a higher K/BB ratio than any of those you listed. Thielbar was just recently promoted and needs time to see whether he can handle even this level, and Lanigan probably belongs in AA. Vasquez and Guerra are two other options, but Guerra has struggled recently and his numbers are getting worse, not better. There was no clear cut choice here, and Fien is as good as anything.

drjim
07-04-2012, 03:10 PM
Makes me think they will go a bullpen game on Sunday. After the all star break they can reevaluate if Walters is ready and where/if Blackburn and Hendriks might fit back in after a couple of starts in AAA.

SwainZag
07-04-2012, 03:14 PM
2-5 w/9sv 4.30 ERA in 33 gms...46IP .228BAve 42k 14bb.....5.29ERA ERA since April 23.....5.55ERA in AAA last yr
been pretty average at best this year. This is the perfect arguement of why this team is what it is. Call up a bullpen guy who truly doesnt deserve to be in majors & earned nothing.
Caleb Thielbar, Esmeril Vasquez & Bobby Lanigan were all better options & have pitched better with Deolis Guerra having to grow up sometime before next season sitting there also.

Lanigan has thrown 8.1 innings of baseball above AA to the tune of 6.48 ERA with 2 K and 4 BB in that timespan, I don't see how that is pitching better than anyone.

asmus_ndsu
07-04-2012, 03:14 PM
I wonder what the record is for most pitchers sent up and down in a season is

Jeremy Nygaard
07-04-2012, 03:27 PM
Blackie was the Twins #1 Prospect coming into the 2008 season according to BA. I found the following quote to be extremely interesting.


He started to get healthier toward the end of 2006, regaining some velocity, and came to camp in the best shape of his career last spring. What followed was a revelation. Blackburn regained his amateur velocity, his secondary stuff improved and his career took off. With less weight to carry, he got stronger and was able to lengthen his stride, get better extension out front and improve the quality of his stuff.

The "weight" that he's listed at in the report was 205. (He was once 260.) His weight now is 240. I get part of that addition of weight has to do with filling out and becoming a man... but what if he lost 15-20 pounds?

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 03:33 PM
The "weight" that he's listed at in the report was 205. (He was once 260.) His weight now is 240. I get part of that addition of weight has to do with filling out and becoming a man... but what if he lost 15-20 pounds?

What was his weight in 2008 and 2009, when he pitched fairly well?

stringer bell
07-04-2012, 03:36 PM
Fien's last two outings: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K

I can only access his last 10 appearances, but it seems usually he's been very good, but when he has been less than good, the numbers are awful. In his last 10, he was scored on in 4 games, 2 runs each game, including one appearance of .2 and another of .1.

greengoblinrulz
07-04-2012, 03:41 PM
Lanigan gave up 6er in his first appearance & since...6 appearances 6.1 IP 4h 0r
3.86ERA in AA..but 9 of his 13er in AA came in 2 appearances....1.30 ERA in other 20gms in New Brit....they all count I know but he's had 3 bad games in 29 appearances. 1.06ERA in other 26gms
I am VERY much a believer in rewarding your own players (draft picks) over the retreads....MN thinks otherwise over the yrs.

mike wants wins
07-04-2012, 03:42 PM
Good step. Now they need to copy the Wild and sign players in their prime to add players, not just fill holes of guys leaving...

greengoblinrulz
07-04-2012, 03:44 PM
Fien's last two outings: 3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 7 K

I can only access his last 10 appearances, but it seems usually he's been very good, but when he has been less than good, the numbers are awful. In his last 10, he was scored on in 4 games, 2 runs each game, including one appearance of .2 and another of .1.
Fangraphs allows you to access the yearly game logs (not as good as MILB but...u can look over past yrs/multi levels too)

greengoblinrulz
07-04-2012, 03:46 PM
Blackie was the Twins #1 Prospect coming into the 2008 season according to BA. I found the following quote to be extremely interesting.



The "weight" that he's listed at in the report was 205. (He was once 260.) His weight now is 240. I get part of that addition of weight has to do with filling out and becoming a man... but what if he lost 15-20 pounds?
Most are pretty filled out by 25/26yrs old. the extra 35lbs have more to do with a 14m contract & livin the life

Jeremy Nygaard
07-04-2012, 03:47 PM
What was his weight in 2008 and 2009, when he pitched fairly well?

According to the 2009 Record and Information Guide - so I would assume the end of 2008 - he weighed 227. This year's lists him at 238. So he's a little heavier than when he was good. Could that be an issue? Who knows...

ashburyjohn
07-04-2012, 04:23 PM
Yes, he does.

Too bad. Crushes my fantasy of some team claiming him off waivers and we're rid of the contract.

Dilligaf69
07-04-2012, 08:04 PM
Good time for a bullpen game.

Start with Burnett for 1-2 innings and figure it out from there.

What??? I would'nt even use 1 of our most effective relivers unless it's a close game late innings...More likely start Swarzak for 3-4 then Go Gray/Fien. Robertson?Waldrop or a starter who has a bullpen day if you get desperate. Depends on what happens the next few days, it's entirely possible the starters could get knocked around in Texas and we'll need Deduno or French cuz the pen is gassed yet again.

greengoblinrulz
07-04-2012, 08:54 PM
Worry about the start on Sunday on that date. Can still make a move if needed. With 4 days off for break & then wont need another starter till 5th game, so just 1 of next 10 gms is affected. This is actually one of the more astute moves the team has made IMO, as it takes strategy into effect.

greengoblinrulz
07-08-2012, 01:12 PM
Nick Blackburn 8 shutout innings so far in game 1 of a DH. 9hits allowed 2k 0bb 99 pitches.
Not my wish, but he will be back up SOON after the break.....Gardy's wish, probably after Frankie is dealt.

jokin
07-08-2012, 01:58 PM
Nick Blackburn 8 shutout innings so far in game 1 of a DH. 9hits allowed 2k 0bb 99 pitches.
Not my wish, but he will be back up SOON after the break.....Gardy's wish, probably after Frankie is dealt.

What? And break up that murderer's row of SP dominance in Rochester? 3 straight days of shutout ball by Walters, Hendriks (yesterday) , and now Blackburn (looks like it went "extra innings" in a DHer game, so complete game, 8 inninng shutout with Valencia getting the walk-off hit) . The Red Wings fans never had it so good with 3, count em, 3 AAAA SPs on their roster. Add Pavano in a couple more days and the International League title is ours. /sarc

greengoblinrulz
07-08-2012, 02:08 PM
wouldnt put Hendricks into AAAA yet.
Personally, I take that term to mean a 25 yrs old or higher. Liam still is only 23 as he rose fast.
Dont forget Luke French (9wins in 25MLB starts) with Jeff Manship (parts of 4 seasons in majors) in rotation there. Prospects galore.

ashburyjohn
07-08-2012, 02:10 PM
/sarc

Thanks for the headsup. jk

jokin
07-08-2012, 02:15 PM
Thanks for the headsup. jk

Trying to be careful, lately some of my posts are being questioned when I mistakenly thought I was obviously being sarcastic.

jokin
07-08-2012, 02:17 PM
wouldnt put Hendricks into AAAA yet.
Personally, I take that term to mean a 25 yrs old or higher. Liam still is only 23 as he rose fast.
Dont forget Luke French (9wins in 25MLB starts) with Jeff Manship (parts of 4 seasons in majors) in rotation there. Prospects galore.

When French and Manship begin the shutout domiance, they too, can join the Red Wing SP Murderers Row.

Good point about Hendriks, although at least for now, at least mentally he's reached his ceiling.

greengoblinrulz
07-08-2012, 03:16 PM
When French and Manship begin the shutout domiance, they too, can join the Red Wing SP Murderers Row.

Good point about Hendriks, although at least for now, at least mentally he's reached his ceiling.

agreed.....would ya rather deal with the mental part getting corrected or the talent part

glunn
07-08-2012, 03:45 PM
Good point about Hendriks, although at least for now, at least mentally he's reached his ceiling.

It seems to me that Hendriks lacks an "out" pitch that will be effective against MLB batters. Hopefully he can use his time in Rochester to improve on or more of his pitches.

Highabove
07-08-2012, 04:06 PM
Nick Blackburn 8 shutout innings so far in game 1 of a DH. 9hits allowed 2k 0bb 99 pitches.
Not my wish, but he will be back up SOON after the break.....Gardy's wish, probably after Frankie is dealt.

Did Blackburn really find the light in just a couple of days?
Much easier for soft tossers to find success in AAA. A large amount of Batters will display a lot less discipline at the plate.