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Brock Beauchamp
07-04-2012, 01:15 PM
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asmus_ndsu
07-04-2012, 03:30 PM
Were gonna need some really good pitching from duensing tonight, DET is pretty well staggered lefty righty and hes been knocked around a little by right handers. On the plus he has been very good at keeping the ball in the park. I think if we can get verlander out of the game by the 7th that will be our best shot at getting to detroits battered bullpen and scoring a couple runs.

stringer bell
07-04-2012, 03:38 PM
Were gonna need some really good pitching from duensing tonight, DET is pretty well staggered lefty righty and hes been knocked around a little by right handers. On the plus he has been very good at keeping the ball in the park. I think if we can get verlander out of the game by the 7th that will be our best shot at getting to detroits battered bullpen and scoring a couple runs.optimist.

pjnelly
07-04-2012, 04:02 PM
optimist.

You say "optimist." as if it is derogatory thing. What's wrong with being an optimist?

stringer bell
07-04-2012, 04:09 PM
Nothing wrong with being an optimist, but the Twins are facing the defending Cy Young winner, who has put up All-Star numbers this year, as well. Duensing hasn't gotten to the fifth yet and Verlander hasn't failed to get through 6 since 2010 IIRC.

stringer bell
07-04-2012, 04:10 PM
Morneau and Dozier out of the lineup tonight. Casilla and Parmelee in, last chance for Parm to impress before a trip to Rochester?

pjnelly
07-04-2012, 04:15 PM
Nothing wrong with being an optimist, but the Twins are facing the defending Cy Young winner, who has put up All-Star numbers this year, as well. Duensing hasn't gotten to the fifth yet and Verlander hasn't failed to get through 6 since 2010 IIRC.

And Verlander is going up against the best offense in July thus far and one of the best offenses in the majors in June, so I don't see any reason that we can't be optimists. Plus, using inductive reasoning is inherently problematic with predicting outcomes even though everyone does it with baseball anyway. See Trevor Plouffe.

jokin
07-04-2012, 04:34 PM
And Verlander is going up against the best offense in July thus far and one of the best offenses in the majors in June, so I don't see any reason that we can't be optimists. Plus, using inductive reasoning is inherently problematic with predicting outcomes even though everyone does it with baseball anyway. See Trevor Plouffe.

The difference here is stringerbell is parsimoniously applying Occam's Razor and you are applying inductive reasoning according to Jim Carrey ("So you're telling me there's a chance?")

But of course, that would make a Twins win all the sweeter....

ashburyjohn
07-04-2012, 04:43 PM
> What do you expect from Duensing tonight as he makes his third start?

Big game for Delmon against his former team?

jokin
07-04-2012, 04:51 PM
Morneau and Dozier out of the lineup tonight. Casilla and Parmelee in, last chance for Parm to impress before a trip to Rochester?

Could be one of the last chances for Casilla to impress another team. If I were Detroit, I'd trade for Casilla in a heartbeat. Santiago and Raburn are absolute butchers in the MI and Peralta is pedestrian at SS, by comparison, on the defensive side, Casilla would look like Joe Morgan. It's not a news flash to anyone how awful the Tigers are in the field. Could the Twins get a trade as least as good as Young/Oliveros-Nelson?

glunn
07-04-2012, 05:31 PM
Even Verlander is capable of having a bad game. Let's hope that happens tonight.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 05:36 PM
Anybody have the lineup yet?

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 06:09 PM
Rain delay again.

GCTF
07-04-2012, 06:10 PM
TWINS (35-45)
1. Denard Span, CF
2. Ben Revere, RF
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Josh Willingham, LF
5. Chris Parmelee, 1B
6. Trevor Plouffe, 3B
7. Ryan Doumit, DH
8. Jamey Carroll, SS
9. Alexi Casilla, 2B
Starting pitcher: LH Brian Duensing (1-4, 4.10 ERA)
TIGERS (39-42)
1. Austin Jackson, CF
2. Ryan Raburn, LF
3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B
4. Prince Fielder, 1B
5. Delmon Young, DH
6. Jhonny Peralta, SS
7. Brennan Boesch, RF
8. Alex Avila, C
9. Ramon Santiago, 2B
Starting pitcher: RH Justin Verlander (8-5, 2.69 ERA)

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 06:10 PM
BTW, happy 4th of July to everyone!

glunn
07-04-2012, 06:19 PM
BTW, happy 4th of July to everyone!

Thanks, Chief. And to you as well.

asmus_ndsu
07-04-2012, 06:25 PM
Even Verlander is capable of having a bad game. Let's hope that happens tonight.

He Gave up 3 HRs last outing to the rays... So hopefully thats not his 1 bad game

glunn
07-04-2012, 06:59 PM
He Gave up 3 HRs last outing to the rays... So hopefully thats not his 1 bad game

I am hoping that's the prelude to a really bad game tonight, if it ever stops raining.

asmus_ndsu
07-04-2012, 07:05 PM
I am hoping that's the prelude to a really bad game tonight, if it ever stops raining.

When they cut to the field on fsn it doesnt really look like its raining

minn55441
07-04-2012, 07:09 PM
TWINS (35-45)
1. Denard Span, CF
2. Ben Revere, RF
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Josh Willingham, LF
5. Chris Parmelee, 1B
6. Trevor Plouffe, 3B
7. Ryan Doumit, DH
8. Jamey Carroll, SS
9. Alexi Casilla, 2B


I like our lineup tonight. I think we are a better fielding team with Casilla and Carroll for the time being.

Interesting that Gardy has no problem with 3 lefties at the top of the lineup, but insists on going righty, lefty, righty with Josh, Parmelee and Plouffe. I thought this would be a great chance to move plouffe to the 5 spot. Without messing with Justin's head.

asmus_ndsu
07-04-2012, 07:19 PM
At least if they have fireworks after the game yknow it will be dark enough

glunn
07-04-2012, 07:25 PM
I like our lineup tonight. I think we are a better fielding team with Casilla and Carroll for the time being.

Interesting that Gardy has no problem with 3 lefties at the top of the lineup, but insists on going righty, lefty, righty with Josh, Parmelee and Plouffe. I thought this would be a great chance to move plouffe to the 5 spot. Without messing with Justin's head.

You make a good point. Maybe there is a reluctance to do make any change that might affect Plouffe's hot streak.

asmus_ndsu
07-04-2012, 07:30 PM
Am i off here or does plouffe remind anyone else of Bautista after he joined toronto? This Hot streak is going on a little longer than just a streak (even though i expect him to cool down just a bit eventually)

minn55441
07-04-2012, 07:32 PM
You make a good point. Maybe there is a reluctance to do make any change that might affect Plouffe's hot streak.

I think Plouffe begins to press with men on base, as is indicated by his number of solo homeruns. I think he tends to relax with the bases empty. Just my opinion, but I don't think things would change much in the 5th vs the 6th spot.

asmus_ndsu
07-04-2012, 08:03 PM
Looks like the rain may be past within the next hour, too late or wet to still play?

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 08:39 PM
Anyone still here?

1-2-3 top of the first.

NorthwestTwinsFan
07-04-2012, 08:46 PM
Do the Tigers have a rule that you have to be obese to play for them?

Shane Wahl
07-04-2012, 09:12 PM
I still don't understand why Duensing was converted back into a starter. If someone says "out of necessity" they are uttering nonsense. Duensing was great in his role. Even a joker like Swarzak is better as a starter.

NorthwestTwinsFan
07-04-2012, 09:17 PM
I still don't understand why Duensing was converted back into a starter. If someone says "out of necessity" they are uttering nonsense. Duensing was great in his role. Even a joker like Swarzak is better as a starter.

I was just thinking the same thing. He is essentially batting practice for right-handed hitters, and he has proven time and again that he is much better suited for the bullpen.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 09:22 PM
I still don't understand why Duensing was converted back into a starter. If someone says "out of necessity" they are uttering nonsense. Duensing was great in his role. Even a joker like Swarzak is better as a starter.

They tried Swarzak at the start of the season. He's ineffective as a starter, when teams know he's going to pitch and can prepare for him. He doesn't make the adjustments necessary to go through a lineup 3 times. He's most effective when he comes in in long relief and pitches 2-3 innings, going through the order once. If you don't want Duensing, fine, but then you need somebody else.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 09:36 PM
WHY isn't this guy playing more? Good shot, Parmelee!

NorthwestTwinsFan
07-04-2012, 09:37 PM
Parmalee tattoos one to the next county, and the Twins are on the board. Verlander's reaction was priceless.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 09:45 PM
Oh, that doesn't look good. Duensing down and probably out.

NorthwestTwinsFan
07-04-2012, 09:46 PM
That looked painful. Great play by Mauer though.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 09:48 PM
Man, we just can't get a starter past the 5th inning in this series. At least he was pitching well before he went down.

NorthwestTwinsFan
07-04-2012, 09:54 PM
Hopefully Butera is ready to pitch an inning or two tonight.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 09:58 PM
Either Waldrop is afraid of the batters or he didn't take enough time warming up. He's nowhere near the strike zone.

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 10:06 PM
The long Twins nightmare that is Alexi Casilla cannot end soon enough for my taste.

NorthwestTwinsFan
07-04-2012, 10:10 PM
I can't figure out why Cabrera doesn't get plunked more often.

stringer bell
07-04-2012, 10:19 PM
I still don't understand why Duensing was converted back into a starter. If someone says "out of necessity" they are uttering nonsense. Duensing was great in his role. Even a joker like Swarzak is better as a starter.Duensing had pretty good success as a starter until last year, when he was brutal against RH batters. He was better vs. RHers out of the 'pen this year and it really is too soon to tell if that will carry over as a starter.

Certainly tonight, he well could have held the Tigers scoreless if either they had turned the easy DP or if Span had not misplayed Prince's Texas Leaguer.

Let's hope he isn't out longterm with the leg injury.

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 10:22 PM
Mauer finally decides to take a rip at a 2-0 pitch...and flares it to left off the handle. sigh.

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 10:36 PM
I thought Gardy told his mouthpieces at FSN they weren't going to let Cabrera beat them.

Dilligaf69
07-04-2012, 10:41 PM
Why even pitch to Miggy!....ever??

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 10:46 PM
It's called a "curveball," 'lexi.

snepp
07-04-2012, 11:03 PM
Just got home, newsflash, Verlander ain't so bad.

stringer bell
07-04-2012, 11:23 PM
While Cabrera and Verlander were probably too much by themselves for the Twins to overcome, if the Twins had made some plays they should make, this would have been a close game. Span froze on Prince's short fly ball and Carroll made two misplays. Those mistakes made a possible 2-1 game into a 5-1 defeat.

glunn
07-04-2012, 11:35 PM
While Cabrera and Verlander were probably too much by themselves for the Twins to overcome, if the Twins had made some plays they should make, this would have been a close game. Span froze on Prince's short fly ball and Carroll made two misplays. Those mistakes made a possible 2-1 game into a 5-1 defeat.

I saw the replay of Span's miscue on ESPN -- he missed that one badly. Let's hope the Twins can put this behind them and win the series tomorrow.

powrwrap
07-05-2012, 11:57 AM
It's called a "curveball," 'lexi.

That one was a beaut!