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Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 02:43 PM
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TwinVike61
07-03-2012, 02:52 PM
Duane Below pitched in relief against the Twins on May 27. Mauer singled then was picked off first then 3 fly outs.

That was the game that Cabrera hit a 2 run homer off Crapps...

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 03:02 PM
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Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 03:06 PM
Twins:
Span CF
Revere RF
Mauer C
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Plouffe 3B
Doumit DH
Dozier SS
Casilla 2B
(Blackburn P)

Tigers:
Jackson CF
Berry LF
Cabrera 3B
Fielder 1B
Young DH
Avila C
Raburn 2B
Boesch RF
Santiago SS
(Below P)

stringer bell
07-03-2012, 03:58 PM
Good to see Casilla in the lineup. I don't think Casilla has proven anything either way, but playing Carroll on a noncontending team is pointless.

glunn
07-03-2012, 06:37 PM
It looks like this one might get rained out, which may be better than watching Blackburn pitch.

one_eyed_jack
07-03-2012, 06:41 PM
It looks like this one might get rained out, which may be better than watching Blackburn pitch.

---Too true. If he gets shelled again tonight, that's gotta be it for him. There's gotta be one of the Red Wings (or for that matter one of the Snappers, Saints, Gophers, FoxSportsNorth Girls or regular posters on this board) who we could start that would give us a better chance of winning.

glunn
07-03-2012, 06:44 PM
---Too true. If he gets shelled again tonight, that's gotta be it for him. There's gotta be one of the Red Wings (or for that matter one of the Snappers, Saints, Gophers, FoxSportsNorth Girls or regular posters on this board) who we could start that would give us a better chance of winning.

I would like to see the Twins call up Deduno from Rochester.

neky0801
07-03-2012, 07:39 PM
i like the double steal!

glunn
07-03-2012, 07:42 PM
i like the double steal!

Now a hit will score 2 runs. That would be a good start to what may be a long game.

neky0801
07-03-2012, 08:06 PM
attaboy blackburn...

glunn
07-03-2012, 08:11 PM
It's starting to rain again, but not in a good way. Blackburn just does not have good stuff.

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 08:11 PM
I'm really glad they sent down Hendriks.

glunn
07-03-2012, 08:17 PM
I'm really glad they sent down Hendriks.

Me too. But I wish they had brought up Deduno just to see if he might be another Diamond in the rough. DeVries has been OK, but Deduno might be better than OK.

notoriousgod71
07-03-2012, 08:25 PM
Sean Bergman > Joe Mays > Nick Blackburn

neky0801
07-03-2012, 08:39 PM
Plouffe v. Willingham ... love it

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 08:44 PM
Plouffe v. Willingham ... love it

Yeah, that never gets old.

glunn
07-03-2012, 08:49 PM
Plouffe v. Willingham ... love it

This is starting to remind me of Mantle and Maris. Too bad Morneau is not part of this.

GCTF
07-03-2012, 09:03 PM
Is this where I line up to kick Blackburn in the nuts?

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 09:04 PM
Nick Blackburn is flat-out awful at baseball right now.

plantagious
07-03-2012, 09:05 PM
Is this where I line up to kick Blackburn in the nuts?

Use a bat, it'd be good for a 3-run homer.

jctwins
07-03-2012, 09:07 PM
Is it too late to make a comment about the sinker not working?

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 09:09 PM
Tomorrow morning, can the Twins demote Blackburn and call up Humber?

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 09:09 PM
I wonder how long they leave Blackburn out there. Gardy's gotta be worried about depleting the bullpen, especially with Duensing pitching tomorrow. He might let Blackie take one for the team and pitch a couple more, even if he gets hit hard - kind of a sacrificial goat.

Obie
07-03-2012, 09:10 PM
Dfa?

clank2000
07-03-2012, 09:11 PM
Nick Blackburn is flat-out awful at baseball right now.

I'm flabbergasted that this baseball club can continue to send this crap to the mound every five games.

jctwins
07-03-2012, 09:11 PM
I wonder how long they leave Blackburn out there. Gardy's gotta be worried about depleting the bullpen, especially with Duensing pitching tomorrow. He might let Blackie take one for the team and pitch a couple more, even if he gets hit hard - kind of a sacrificial goat.

Does Gardy hate Blackburn yet? That will have something to do with how he is handled.

glunn
07-03-2012, 09:11 PM
Is this where I line up to kick Blackburn in the nuts?

I would blame Gardenhire -- this is his decision and Blackburn is merely doing what he is told to do.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 09:15 PM
Watching Blackburn pitch almost makes me wish we had Marquis back.

glunn
07-03-2012, 09:18 PM
C'mon Plouffe -- we could use one more.

glunn
07-03-2012, 09:22 PM
The White Sox are beating the stew out of the Rangers tonight -- 16-0 in the 7th. Oswalt pitched worse than Blackburn tonight.

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 09:27 PM
At least Blackie got his ERA back over 8.

Mr. Ed
07-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Takes a lot to raise your over-7 ERA to now over-8

There is no reason. NONE. To leave this guy on the team. He provides no help. At all.

Mr. Ed
07-03-2012, 09:29 PM
These starters are killing the bullpen. The effectiveness of any of these guys later in the year, AND next year from over-use in 2012, will be in question.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 09:30 PM
There is no reason. NONE. To leave this guy on the team. He provides no help. At all.

Agreed he's pretty much useless right now, but who do we have to replace him? Do we leave Duensing in the rotation permanently? The only reason he's still pitching now is that there aren't many alternatives.

glunn
07-03-2012, 09:30 PM
At least Blackie got his ERA back over 8.

Oswalt's ERA is now 7.79. Maybe the Rangers would take Blackburn for Oswalt?

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 09:33 PM
Oswalt's ERA is now 7.79. Maybe the Rangers would take Blackburn for Oswalt?

Hah, why not?

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 09:44 PM
So Bert Blyleven is not doing the telecasts for the next couple of weeks. They say it is because of duties connected with the hall of fame induction this year.

I have another theory. Perhaps the Twins have talked him out of retirement and he's getting ready to join the rotation.:)

glunn
07-03-2012, 09:48 PM
So Bert Blyleven is not doing the telecasts for the next couple of weeks. They say it is because of duties connected with the hall of fame induction this year.

I have another theory. Perhaps the Twins have talked him out of retirement and he's getting ready to join the rotation.:)

Good one. I would not mind seeing Butera get a start if the other option that day is Blackburn.

glunn
07-03-2012, 09:50 PM
Gardenhire is asking for a lot from Jeff Gray tonight, and Gray looks tired.

glunn
07-03-2012, 09:55 PM
I give Gray a lot of credit for two quality innings. Now the Twins need to load the bases for Plouffe.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:02 PM
Now the Twins need to load the bases for Plouffe.

OK, the first part of my fantasy has come true. Now it's up to the Babe to hit one out.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:05 PM
OK, the first part of my fantasy has come true. Now it's up to the Babe to hit one out.

He can't. Willingham has to hit one first, then it's Plouffe's turn again.

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 10:05 PM
Should have sent him.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:05 PM
Damn pop up.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:05 PM
Should have sent him.

Yes, the throw sucked.

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 10:06 PM
stat is very statfreakesc... quoting your own post in succession.

kasu327
07-03-2012, 10:07 PM
Plouffe knows hes allowed to hit with guys on base, right?

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:08 PM
Plouffe knows hes allowed to hit with guys on base, right?

He did earlier in the game, but I think they talked to him in the dugout about it afterward.

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Plouffe knows hes allowed to hit with guys on base, right?

Overblown criticism.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Bases loaded, no one out, and they get one run. **sigh**

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 10:13 PM
Bases loaded, no one out, and they get one run. **sigh**

Twins Baseball™!

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 10:14 PM
Yes, the throw sucked.


Can't anticipate a bad throw...how did mauer NOT score from 2B on a double??? did he have to hold?? I'm folowing on Gameday.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:15 PM
Waldrop against the top of the order in a one run game?

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
Twins Baseball™!

I know the offense has'nt been the problem for the most part but they they leave a ton of men on base.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:16 PM
Can't anticipate a bad throw...how did mauer NOT score from 2B on a double??? did he have to hold?? I'm folowing on Gameday.

It looked like the fielder had a chance to catch it, so he had to hover near second until it dropped.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:17 PM
Can't anticipate a bad throw...how did mauer NOT score from 2B on a double??? did he have to hold?? I'm folowing on Gameday.

I was a ball that the outfielder should have caught -- it bounced off his glove -- so Mauer had to wait.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:17 PM
Now THAT was Sweet!

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:18 PM
Spectacular catch and throw by Plouffe!!! Double play ends the inning.

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 10:22 PM
Spectacular catch and throw by Plouffe!!! Double play ends the inning.

Do you know who statfreak is?

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:23 PM
So Blackburn's next start [insert laugh here] would normally be on Sunday, just before the all-star break. Does he make it? Will Walters be ready in time (he pitched 4 innings in Rochester on Sunday)?

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:25 PM
Do you know who statfreak is?

No, who is he?

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 10:31 PM
Just somebody that I think you'd get along with.

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 10:35 PM
Looks like Burton to close it out...be nice to tack on a insurance run or three!

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:38 PM
So Blackburn's next start [insert laugh here] would normally be on Sunday, just before the all-star break. Does he make it? Will Walters be ready in time (he pitched 4 innings in Rochester on Sunday)?

Take a look at Samuel Deduno in Rochester. He has been injured most of the year but now he is back. Deduno has pitched 42 innings, has an ERA of 2.14, a WHIP of 1.17, 22 walks and 46 strikeouts. Other than the walks, these seem to me to be excellent stats.

Deduno is somewhat old to be regarded as a prospect -- he turned age 29 yesterday -- but at this point who cares. If he can be the right handed Scott Diamond for 2 to 3 years, then that would be a very good thing.

Deduno has a history of giving up a lot of walks, but he is having his best year ever this year, and it's not as if the Twins have many options that they have not yet tried.

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 10:38 PM
He's allowed to do that?

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:39 PM
Just somebody that I think you'd get along with.

A BYTO alum?

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 10:40 PM
He's allowed to do that?

I'd like to see him do it with runners on, but I guess you can't be picky....

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:41 PM
He's allowed to do that?

It made sense at the time -- I had made a prediction that came true, which happens very rarely, and I was excited that Plouffe was on the verge of a grand slam. Sorry, but I get excited when it seems like something very good is about to happen.

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 10:41 PM
A BYTO alum?

I guess alum could be used as a way to describe him.

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 10:42 PM
Thanks Joe!

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:42 PM
I guess alum could be used as a way to describe him.

Has he come over to TD?

Brock Beauchamp
07-03-2012, 10:43 PM
It made sense at the time -- I had made a prediction that came true, which happens very rarely, and I was excited that Plouffe was on the verge of a grand slam. Sorry, but I get excited when it seems like something very good is about to happen.

No, heh. I was talking about Mauer's dinger.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:44 PM
Thanks Joe!

Mauer with power is fun to see -- maybe he is getting jealous of Plouffe and Willingham and has decided to try for more homers?

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:44 PM
Take a look at Samuel Deduno in Rochester. He has been injured most of the year but now he is back. Deduno has pitched 42 innings, has an ERA of 2.14, a WHIP of 1.17, 22 walks and 46 strikeouts. Other than the walks, these seem to me to be excellent stats.

Deduno is somewhat old to be regarded as a prospect -- he turned age 29 yesterday -- but at this point who cares. If he can be the right handed Scott Diamond for 2 to 3 years, then that would be a very good thing.

Deduno has a history of giving up a lot of walks, but he is having his best year ever this year, and it's not as if the Twins have many options that they have not yet tried.

Interesting. I admit I hadn't been thinking about him, but looking at his numbers they're pretty good. Low opponent avg, decent GO/AO ratio. At this point, why not? He last pitched yesterday, and he looks to be stretched out from his injury - he could be ready for Sunday.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:45 PM
No, heh. I was talking about Mauer's dinger.

Whoops. I was afraid that you were going to cast some moderator spell on me for quoting my own post.

Kobs
07-03-2012, 10:47 PM
Every time Joe disagrees with a call (1-0) the umpire should just apologize and change the call.

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:48 PM
Plouffe hitting one out now would make me VERY happy.

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 10:50 PM
Doumit just misses aagain!

glunn
07-03-2012, 10:56 PM
I would send Dozier down for a few weeks and bring Florimon up.

Dozier seems overwhelmed, Florimon is a defensive wizard, and either Florimon could surprise with the big league club or Dozier could build confidence in Rochester.

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 10:56 PM
Is something wrong with Burton??? this is 4 days in a row for Glen if I remember correctly and Burt and perk were supposed to share closer duties..

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 10:58 PM
Is something wrong with Burton??? this is 4 days in a row for Glen if I remember correctly and Burt and perk were supposed to share closer duties..

C'mon, we've heard that before. Gardy likes having one person in the job, whether he admits it or not. Personally, I might have leaned toward Burton - Perkins has had a tendency to "make things interesting" this year.

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 10:59 PM
I would send Dozier down for a few weeks and bring Florimon up.

Dozier seems overwhelmed, Florimon is a defensive wizard, and either Florimon could surprise with the big league club or Dozier could build confidence in Rochester.


Yeah IDK what to do with him...I'm on recored saying let him work it out here and he has shown flashes defensively despite the errors but he's really struggled at the dish..would'nt hate the prospect of Florimon for a few weeks I guess.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 11:00 PM
So if I had told you, before the series started, that in the first two games the Twins starter would be chased early, and the Twins would win both games - would you have believed me?

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 11:02 PM
Too bad you can't name a group of people to be our all-star representative - if anybody has earned it this year, it's the bullpen as a group.

Dilligaf69
07-03-2012, 11:02 PM
C'mon, we've heard that before. Gardy likes having one person in the job, whether he admits it or not. Personally, I might have leaned toward Burton - Perkins has had a tendency to "make things interesting" this year.


That was my point.. made it look easy tonight though..Twins Win!

Top Gun
07-03-2012, 11:02 PM
Twins win 5 in a row!

glunn
07-03-2012, 11:03 PM
So if I had told you, before the series started, that in the first two games the Twins starter would be chased early, and the Twins would win both games - would you have believed me?

No, but that makes it all the sweeter. And who knows what will happen tomorrow with Verlander against Duensing.

Badsmerf
07-03-2012, 11:03 PM
I would send Dozier down for a few weeks and bring Florimon up.

Dozier seems overwhelmed, Florimon is a defensive wizard, and either Florimon could surprise with the big league club or Dozier could build confidence in Rochester.

Dozier has been putting up some nice games recently. Let him stay with it.

Pius Jefferson
07-03-2012, 11:04 PM
Would the Twins consider sending Parmelee to Rochster and calling up a 13th pitcher?

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 11:07 PM
Look out, folks! We're only 1-1/2 back of Kansas City.

IdahoPilgrim
07-03-2012, 11:08 PM
Josh Willingham in the post-game interview: "We didn't get the best out of Blackie; he's better than that."

Well, half right.

one_eyed_jack
07-03-2012, 11:11 PM
First 40 games: 13-27
Second 40 games: 22-18

Suppose someone had told you on the eve of opening day that on July 4th, the Twins would be 3.5 behind the Tigers and with basically the same record as the Phillies; would you have imagined that both of those things could be true and the Twins would still be in last place with the 2nd-worse record in the American League?

I'm not optimistic about making in 6 in a row with Verlander going tomorrow, but it sure would be sweet if it happened.

J-Dog Dungan
07-03-2012, 11:11 PM
The Twins are trying to save Burton's arm for the rest of the year, because he is coming off of arm surgery and they don't know how long he will last this year.

stringer bell
07-03-2012, 11:17 PM
Regarding Burton, the Twins didn't want to use him today. They are trying to keep his arm in top shape until the All-Star game. Burton hasn't had a healthy year in quite a while and the Twins want to make sure he stays available.

Dozier did go 0-5, but I saw his last two ABs. Both were pretty solid, although he didn't come through in the end. I didn't see his other ABs, but if he is extending ABs as he did on the last two, he will be fine.

one_eyed_jack
07-03-2012, 11:20 PM
8 runs on 10 hits despite only going 1-10 with RISP. That strikes me as unusual.

stringer bell
07-03-2012, 11:22 PM
Would the Twins consider sending Parmelee to Rochster and calling up a 13th pitcher?As much as I hate carrying 13 pitchers, especially with three catchers, it probably isn't a bad idea. They basically have regulars at every position, with Mastro and Casilla as the bench. They really don't need Parmelee and it isn't helping him to sit on the bench.

glunn
07-03-2012, 11:24 PM
Dozier did go 0-5, but I saw his last two ABs. Both were pretty solid, although he didn't come through in the end. I didn't see his other ABs, but if he is extending ABs as he did on the last two, he will be fine.

I saw the same ABs, and he did a good job fouling off what he could not hit. But it seems to me that he might benefit from a few weeks in Rochester, and Florimon is worth a closer look.

I hope that you are correct about Dozier being fine.

stringer bell
07-03-2012, 11:37 PM
Take a look at Samuel Deduno in Rochester. He has been injured most of the year but now he is back. Deduno has pitched 42 innings, has an ERA of 2.14, a WHIP of 1.17, 22 walks and 46 strikeouts. Other than the walks, these seem to me to be excellent stats.

Deduno is somewhat old to be regarded as a prospect -- he turned age 29 yesterday -- but at this point who cares. If he can be the right handed Scott Diamond for 2 to 3 years, then that would be a very good thing.

Deduno has a history of giving up a lot of walks, but he is having his best year ever this year, and it's not as if the Twins have many options that they have not yet tried.

I saw Deduno is ST and thought he looked kind of impressive. I did also start a prospect thread for him. His numbers have been very good since he has come back to the rotation. He's had a cup of coffee with both San Diego and Colorado.

After hearing Gardenhire, I think Blackburn is out of the rotation. Deduno or Walters could be put in his place. Rick Anderson said that they thought that Walters needed at least another rehab start so if they go to Rochester it could be Deduno.

stringer bell
07-03-2012, 11:41 PM
BTW, pretty good work from not the usual suspects--Gray, Waldrop, Robertson--when the bully was down to those three plus Perk for an inning. Gardenhire says that Perkins is out for tomorrow and that Burton is available.

one_eyed_jack
07-03-2012, 11:41 PM
Oswalt's ERA is now 7.79. Maybe the Rangers would take Blackburn for Oswalt?

---This should change by then, but as of now, the scheduled pitching matchup for Sunday's final game before the AS break - Blackburn vs. Oswalt!

Chance
07-03-2012, 11:50 PM
Where are all the "DFA Gray" guys? They were circling every blog a couple weeks ago. Glad people are shutting up about it. He has been on when the games matter, not so much when they don't. He is 5-0! And nice to see Waldrop and Robertson hold there own against a good tigers lineup. I dread the day Capps comes back.

glunn
07-03-2012, 11:57 PM
---This should change by then, but as of now, the scheduled pitching matchup for Sunday's final game before the AS break - Blackburn vs. Oswalt!

So maybe we could trade just before the game starts and surprise both of them.

glunn
07-04-2012, 12:00 AM
Where are all the "DFA Gray" guys? They were circling every blog a couple weeks ago. Glad people are shutting up about it. He has been on when the games matter, not so much when they don't. He is 5-0! And nice to see Waldrop and Robertson hold there own against a good tigers lineup. I dread the day Capps comes back.

I am a Gray fan and agree that he does not get enough credit. I did commend him in an earlier post on this thread.

I was also very pleasantly surprised by the good job done by Waldrop and Robertson.

Beating the Tigers is almost as satisfying as beating the White Sox, and this was truly a team effort, both on offense and defense.

snepp
07-04-2012, 12:07 AM
Jeff Gray is still a lousy pitcher with no future here, that hasn't changed.

notoriousgod71
07-04-2012, 12:49 AM
Jeff Gray is still a lousy pitcher with no future here, that hasn't changed.

He's essentially a less homer happy version of Bob Wells.

Chance
07-04-2012, 09:12 AM
If Gray keeps pitching like he has the last month or so he will have a future here. He will be very cheap and the Twins like there cheap pitchers. He's not a closer or a setup guy but he does what you need to do as a middle reliever.

Chance
07-04-2012, 09:15 AM
He's not much worse than Guerrier but a fourth the price and you people loved him.