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Brock Beauchamp
07-02-2012, 02:38 PM
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Brock Beauchamp
07-02-2012, 04:09 PM
Twins:
Span CF
Revere RF
Mauer DH
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Plouffe 3B
Doumit C
Dozier SS
Carroll 2B
(Hendriks P)

Tigers:
Jackson CF
Berry LF
Cabrera 3B
Fielder 1B
Young DH
Raburn 2B
Avila C
Kelly RF
Santiago SS
(Fister P)

IdahoPilgrim
07-02-2012, 06:13 PM
I'm confused. I thought the object of the game was to hit the ball with the bat...

etspaceman
07-02-2012, 06:13 PM
3 looking strikeouts.

Great start boys.

TwinsGuy55422
07-02-2012, 06:14 PM
Let's be swinging the bats.

glunn
07-02-2012, 06:16 PM
I have a dental appointment at 5:20 California time, which is now looking to be more pleasant than watching this game.

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 06:27 PM
It is hard to believe that Trever freaking Plouffe is outpacing monsters like Fielder and Pujols in HR production this year; KEEP IT UP PLOUFFIE! (Not that he just hit a home run, it is just me saying that he is truly raking recently)

IdahoPilgrim
07-02-2012, 06:32 PM
I have a dental appointment at 5:20 California time, which is now looking to be more pleasant than watching this game.

With or without novocaine?

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 06:32 PM
While people may be comparing Plouffe to Valencia in production (just overall), I think Plouffe has 3B locked down for the foreseeable future if he can keep up this torrid pace of improvement. I mean, seriously, he has improved his BA something like .115 points since he has gone on this tear, going from something like .139 to .249 (including the groundout in his 1st AB tonight). Also, he has the second highest OPS to Josh Willingham, who is a much higher valued veteran than Plouffe.

glunn
07-02-2012, 06:34 PM
With or without novocaine?

I am going to ask for nitrous, not to dull the pain of the dentistry but instead to take my mind off the game.

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 06:36 PM
The one thing that my dad has had less to complain about Mauer now that he is hitting better is that he is hitting into fewer double plays than he was in 2011 and most of April and May of this year.

IdahoPilgrim
07-02-2012, 06:36 PM
While people may be comparing Plouffe to Valencia in production (just overall), I think Plouffe has 3B locked down for the foreseeable future if he can keep up this torrid pace of improvement. I mean, seriously, he has improved his BA something like .115 points since he has gone on this tear, going from something like .139 to .249 (including the groundout in his 1st AB tonight). Also, he has the second highest OPS to Josh Willingham, who is a much higher valued veteran than Plouffe.

Who's Valencia?

Brock Beauchamp
07-02-2012, 06:41 PM
Well, that was certainly an unlucky top of the inning for the Twins.

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 06:41 PM
Who's Valencia?

That annoying 3B who is apparently extremely stuck up and is now trapped in AAA (aka the Twilight Zone) with Tsuyoshi Nishioka

snepp
07-02-2012, 06:42 PM
Who's Valencia?

Ex-Twin, current Rochester Redwings third baseman.



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snepp
07-02-2012, 06:42 PM
Well, that was certainly an unlucky top of the inning for the Twins.

The anti-cueball for Dozier.

snepp
07-02-2012, 06:45 PM
LOL, third base coaches.



And it didn't matter in the end.

IdahoPilgrim
07-02-2012, 06:50 PM
Well, that could have been ugly. One run is the least he could expect to get away with. Hendriks has pitched 2 good innings, but this last one made me cringe.

GCTF
07-02-2012, 06:51 PM
Good ol' Delmon.

twinzgrl
07-02-2012, 07:00 PM
C'mon Benny let's see your jets....

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 07:03 PM
Seems like the current scouting report on Morneau is to give him nothing on the inside and everything on the outside.

Crotalo
07-02-2012, 07:04 PM
Come on Plouffe. Break the trend!

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 07:04 PM
C'mon Plouffe, we need a 3-run HR now!

Crotalo
07-02-2012, 07:04 PM
Seems like the current scouting report on Morneau is to give him nothing on the inside and everything on the outside.

Look at his front foot and hips when he swinging. There's good reason for that.

Crotalo
07-02-2012, 07:05 PM
YES!!! Plouffe got at RBI without hitting a homer!

kydoty
07-02-2012, 07:06 PM
Trevor Plouffe has transformed himself into a weapon for this team. Never in my lifetime would I have bet on that ever happening.

GCTF
07-02-2012, 07:07 PM
Boom Fisted.

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 07:07 PM
2-run single for Plouffe, with him going to two on the throw, works just slightly less well than a three-run homer.

snepp
07-02-2012, 07:21 PM
Come on Ron, call for the sac bunt.

IdahoPilgrim
07-02-2012, 07:28 PM
I love it when we chase the starter after only 4 innings!

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 07:35 PM
So much fun to be the team that chases a starter in less than 5 innings. And Morneau gets it done with a single through the left side, scoring yet another run. I can see why the Tigers are less than the vaunted team that everyone was making them out to be in the preseason if the Twins can take it to pitchers on a "good" team like this.

snepp
07-02-2012, 07:53 PM
Well this is getting ugly in a hurry.

J-Dog Dungan
07-02-2012, 08:01 PM
Hendriks is kinda showing why he hasn't won a game in the Bigs yet.

glunn
07-02-2012, 08:23 PM
That annoying 3B who is apparently extremely stuck up and is now trapped in AAA (aka the Twilight Zone) with Tsuyoshi Nishioka

Valencia has two recent multi homer games in Rochester. We should be talking him up and hoping for his success, because that will create an excess of third basemen. If Valencia can continue to impress at Rochester, then some third base hungry contender might want to trade for him

glunn
07-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Trevor Plouffe has transformed himself into a weapon for this team. Never in my lifetime would I have bet on that ever happening.

Plouffe could turn out to be one of the great success stories of all time. He can clearly hit the stew out of the ball. The key will be whether he can sustain his recent success. If so, he can be our Mike Trout.

glunn
07-02-2012, 08:29 PM
Hendriks is kinda showing why he hasn't won a game in the Bigs yet.

I continue to believe that if Hendriks could develop an "out" pitch, he could be a solid starter. I hope that someone is working with him on that. I pray for the day that Parker writes one of his amazing articles about Hendriks with videos that make everything clear.

Dilligaf69
07-02-2012, 08:34 PM
Justin don't swing at a 1st pitch curveball...

glunn
07-02-2012, 08:43 PM
Give credit to Swarzak for 2 perfect innings. If he gets the win, then he deserves it.

Dilligaf69
07-02-2012, 08:45 PM
Another 1st pitch swing on a breaking pitch...jeez! a couple hits and it's a 5 run lead again.

glunn
07-02-2012, 08:52 PM
The Twins have 11 hits, all singles, and 5 walks -- lots of opportunities.

Dilligaf69
07-02-2012, 08:55 PM
I think the Twins patience with Burnett is paying off, he's been nearly untouchable the last few weeks.

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:00 PM
I think the Twins patience with Burnett is paying off, he's been nearly untouchable the last few weeks.

He does seem to be having very good stuff lately. Maybe he has been partying with Plouffe.

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:06 PM
Uh oh, we may have just jinxed him.

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:13 PM
OK, Burnett got through it and I needed only one valium.

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:20 PM
Great night for Doumit -- 3 hits, a walk and a HBP -- he's been on base 5 times.

Ultima Ratio
07-02-2012, 09:20 PM
Ok Gardy, you have Doumit running with two outs in the 9th and Mastro and Casilla on the bench to run and Butera to catch the ninth, yet no pinch running for Doumit?

Ultima Ratio
07-02-2012, 09:21 PM
Way to catch up on that Gardy, now he puts Mastro in to pinch run for Doumit at second.

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:23 PM
Way to catch up on that Gardy, now he puts Mastro in to pinch run for Doumit at second.

At least he did what you suggested -- it just took him longer to think of it.

PseudoSABR
07-02-2012, 09:23 PM
If Butera's on the team, I wouldn't mind seeing more of him replacing both Mauer (moving to first, if need be) and Doumit defensively after the 8th.

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:27 PM
If Butera's on the team, I wouldn't mind seeing more of him replacing both Mauer (moving to first, if need be) and Doumit defensively after the 8th.

It's also fun when he pitches.

Fatt Crapps
07-02-2012, 09:27 PM
Uh oh

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:28 PM
Uh oh

That was scary.

glunn
07-02-2012, 09:29 PM
A Delmon Young walk off would have been unbearable.

Dilligaf69
07-02-2012, 09:38 PM
Perkins has not been sharp lately but he always seems to get that key strikeout when needed.

The Greatest Poster Alive
07-02-2012, 10:05 PM
If Butera's on the team, I wouldn't mind seeing more of him replacing both Mauer (moving to first, if need be) and Doumit defensively after the 8th.

I don't like the idea of creating a blackhole in your lineup should the game get tied up.

Butera is not enough of a defensive upgrade to justify his bat.

one_eyed_jack
07-02-2012, 10:15 PM
Always nice to win in Detroit.

Too bad we dug ourselves into such a deep early hole with the 13-27 start. If we could have managed to play simply bad baseball instead of putrid baseball in that stretch, we'd be right in the mix and feeling very differently about this season.

I didn't buy into all the pre-season hype with the Tigers. I think a lot of people were so star struck by the big names that they didn't notice some deeper flaws. That said, I think they'll still find a way to win this lousy division and I'd be wary of facing them in the postseason - with Verlander and that lineup, they could be very dangerous.

What's the deal with Hendriks? I didn't get home until late in the game and he was out by then, and I had to miss most of his earlier outings. Has he shown enough to suggest that he has a brighter future, or are we looking at a fringe MLB player?

CDog
07-02-2012, 10:19 PM
What's the deal with Hendriks? I didn't get home until late in the game and he was out by then, and I had to miss most of his earlier outings. Has he shown enough to suggest that he has a brighter future, or are we looking at a fringe MLB player?

Yes. That's as close as I can tell so far...that one of those is probably true. It's weird.

Top Gun
07-02-2012, 11:14 PM
Ugly. Hendriks allowed six hits while walking four and throwing 44 out of 81 pitches for strikes. He now has a 7.04 ERA in 38 1/3 innings through eight starts in the majors this year. Opposing batters are hitting .343 with 10 homers against him.

Nick Nelson
07-02-2012, 11:16 PM
What's the deal with Hendriks? I didn't get home until late in the game and he was out by then, and I had to miss most of his earlier outings. Has he shown enough to suggest that he has a brighter future, or are we looking at a fringe MLB player?
Just can't make any judgments at this point. He's 23 and he's got less than a full season's worth of innings above Double-A. He's looked bad, no doubt, but his command is superb. He could very well figure things out at some point. Not unusual for a fresh kid to get knocked around by MLB hitters.

striker_86
07-02-2012, 11:20 PM
Ugly. Hendriks allowed six hits while walking four and throwing 44 out of 81 pitches for strikes. He now has a 7.04 ERA in 38 1/3 innings through eight starts in the majors this year. Opposing batters are hitting .343 with 10 homers against him.

When does Pavano get back? I havent heard much about him....

diehardtwinsfan
07-03-2012, 11:41 AM
Just can't make any judgments at this point. He's 23 and he's got less than a full season's worth of innings above Double-A. He's looked bad, no doubt, but his command is superb. He could very well figure things out at some point. Not unusual for a fresh kid to get knocked around by MLB hitters.


pretty much this, though I wouldn't mind him getting more seasoning in AAA, but given our rotation as it is...

jokin
07-03-2012, 12:51 PM
Always nice to win in Detroit.

Too bad we dug ourselves into such a deep early hole with the 13-27 start. If we could have managed to play simply bad baseball instead of putrid baseball in that stretch, we'd be right in the mix and feeling very differently about this season.

I didn't buy into all the pre-season hype with the Tigers. I think a lot of people were so star struck by the big names that they didn't notice some deeper flaws. That said, I think they'll still find a way to win this lousy division and I'd be wary of facing them in the postseason - with Verlander and that lineup, they could be very dangerous.



The Vegas odds put the Tigers chances at winning the AL at 7/1, compared to the White Sox at 12/1 and the Indians at 14/1. The Tigers are drawing in the most fan bets right now, so you are on to something here. Berry has been huge, especially against righties, Dirks is soon to be back and Avila and Jackson just got back. There was even talk that Martinez might be in the mix in September. I think there is a big run coming, possibly a steamroll if they can figure out the pitching situation and possibly pick up another arm or two this month.

one_eyed_jack
07-03-2012, 05:35 PM
Just can't make any judgments at this point. He's 23 and he's got less than a full season's worth of innings above Double-A. He's looked bad, no doubt, but his command is superb. He could very well figure things out at some point. Not unusual for a fresh kid to get knocked around by MLB hitters.


---Thanks, Nick, and others who commented. Yeah, I know it's too early to make judgments. There's no way of knowing which way he'll go at this point. I was more just looking for initial impressions and gut reactions based on what you've seen so far. But it sounds like it's been enough of a mix of good and bad that maybe it's premature to start leaning one way or the other.

one_eyed_jack
07-03-2012, 05:40 PM
The Vegas odds put the Tigers chances at winning the AL at 7/1, compared to the White Sox at 12/1 and the Indians at 14/1. The Tigers are drawing in the most fan bets right now, so you are on to something here. Berry has been huge, especially against righties, Dirks is soon to be back and Avila and Jackson just got back. There was even talk that Martinez might be in the mix in September. I think there is a big run coming, possibly a steamroll if they can figure out the pitching situation and possibly pick up another arm or two this month.

---I forgot to even mention Martinez, it could be huge if he came back. I was listening to national radio show doing preseason baseball stuff, and they had one of the local Detroit writers on. He said that the loss of V-Mart was going to hurt the Tigers a lot more than people realized, and I think he's been proven right thus far.