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Nick Nelson
07-01-2012, 11:34 PM
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jorgenswest
07-01-2012, 11:58 PM
Let's hope not.

The Twins need to be blown away with an offer for any of their 2013 assets. I would hate to see a deal like the Astros received last year for Bourn. Bourn comps better than Span so it is unlikely they will do better.

It is very rare for a top prospect to be traded midseason for a Span level player. In hindsight, you will find all kinds of deals for players who later turned out to be great players (Carlos Santana for example). That credit goes to the team that made the trade for a player who was not a top prospect at the time. Last year Beltran, Jimenez and Pence were the only players who returned top 100 prospects in a midseason trade. I love Span, but I don't he is valued at their level by other teams.

Do we trust the Twins scouts to be able to pick a diamond out of the vast array of middling prospects? Other than possibly Diamond, they haven't done so well lately.

clutterheart
07-02-2012, 05:32 AM
I would still rather trade Revere

Obie
07-02-2012, 06:26 AM
I agree that Span is prime trade bait for the reasons stated. However, Span isn't quite the stellar star you make him out to be. He is an average major league center fielder. His OPS is 22nd in the top forty big league center fielders. His OPS is 20th out the top forty leadoff hitters and 16th in OBP.

IdahoPilgrim
07-02-2012, 07:02 AM
Much as I would hate to see it and lose his defensive skills (I would love to see an outfield of Span, Revere & Mastroianni - nothing would fall in), I understand his value as a trade chip. But we had better get at least one player in return who is a very good bet to be starting in a couple years at most. I would be upset to see him traded for a handful of B prospects, none of whom may ever pan out.

luckylager
07-02-2012, 07:19 AM
I would hate to see him go. He plays hard, plays well and is a class act. If he does go, we had better get some high ceiling pitching prospects in return.

DPJ
07-02-2012, 07:21 AM
It would suck to see him go, but this is what bad teams have to do.

Hopefully moving Span will bring back to pieces to help this rebuild go quicker. But sadly I have my doubts about the Twins identifying the right pieces in a trade.

gunnarthor
07-02-2012, 07:53 AM
I think the Twins are in great shape with Span. They don't have to trade him like they had to trade Santana. While some of his offensive stats might be depressed a bit by playing in Target Field, he's been worth 4.5 WAR over his last 140 games and is on pace for about 5 WAR this year. That should lead to a lot of teams being interested in him and, hopefully, a seller's market. His contract means that, unlike Pence, more teams can be in on him as well.

spideyo
07-02-2012, 08:21 AM
I think he's more valuable to other teams than some realize. In MN, we have a lot of high-defense, high-speed outfielders. We also have a lot of (theoretically) high production left handed bats. How many other organizations have both those things? Now, left handed bats and speedy outfielders don't win us championships, but they do make Span much more replaceable.

jmlease1
07-02-2012, 08:44 AM
I think Span is the Twins best trade asset right now; he's a solid MLB CF who is under contract for a couple of years at a very good price. He's proven to be a real asset at the top of the order, and the health concerns appear to be a thing of the past. He should be a very attractive to a number of teams.

I'd hate to lose Span for all of those reasons, but for the right price he should be traded. We do have a replacement for him in CF in Ben Revere, who seems to be showing that he can hit at this level. (would I be happier if Revere got a few more walks, had a little more pop in his bat? sure, but if he can hit .320 you just roll with it.)

But it has to be the right deal. I don't want to deal a quality MLB starter for a couple of maybe prospects sitting in A-ball. Moving Span for a couple of C prospects isn't a good use of the team's assets. There needs to be some high upside and at least one guy who's not 3 years away.

Another $5M in payroll room wouldn't hurt; that could absorb all of the raises to guys currently under contract/control while we spend the money freed up from cutting Pavano, Baker, Liriano, & Capps loose on starting pitching (Zack Greinke to the white courtesy phone...paging Zack Greinke...)

UCLA_YANKEE_COLA
07-02-2012, 08:50 AM
"Do we trust the Twins scouts to be able to pick a diamond out of the vast array of middling prospects? Other than possibly Diamond, they haven't done so well lately."

Who has though? It just doesn't happen very often for any teams, not just the Twins. Middling prospects are middling prospects because they're not great players. Sure some will make an unexpected leap but for the most part you're not trading for Travis Buck and getting Josh Hamilton. But Span will bring back more than middling prospects, I think a good defensive CF on a team friendly deal who can get on base is more valuable now than ever.

ltwedt
07-02-2012, 09:19 AM
Parmelee - - - in right????? ........ Like EVERYDAY?????? YIKES!!!!! Please . . . not that . . . ANYTHING but that!!!

Crotalo
07-02-2012, 09:35 AM
He has a team friendly deal. Unless the Twins are convinced that they won't be any good until 2015, they should keep him unless they get a ton for him. The OF guys in the minors don't appear to be ready.

Thrylos
07-02-2012, 09:42 AM
Span's team friendly deal is actually part of the asset here. Last time I checked, Revere has a friendlier deal, is a better fielder, is a better runner, is 4 years younger and pretty much a wash as far as OBP goes this season (and Revere has not yet entered his prime, while Span has been there.).

No brainer, but they have to get an MLB-ready SP, at least, in return.

gmarais66
07-02-2012, 10:19 AM
I can see where there's a chance the Twins would trade Span, but I would think it would have to be an awesome deal for Ryan to move him... After all the Twins are not a terrible team... Yes, they've had horrible starting pitching this season, which is why they are in the Central cellar.... If the Twins add a two or three starting pitchers in the offseason, it would completely change the outlook for next season... Getting rid of your top players, who are signed to team-friendly contracts, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, unless you get an awesome deal...

Replacing Revere in right with Parmelee? Really?!? Have you seen him play outfield? In a pinch he can play in right, but he has no business being out there on a daily basis...

PopRiveter
07-02-2012, 10:21 AM
I get the reasoning, but I love consistency in baseball. I would rather watch the career arch of my team's better players than root for the new guy over and over. It's totally an irrational, fan-take but I get more satisfaction out of a Span double than a Doumit HR. I hate the trade deadline. I'm sure I'm speaking for a very small minority. Or just myself.

CDog
07-02-2012, 10:29 AM
I get the reasoning, but I love consistency in baseball. I would rather watch the career arch of my team's better players than root for the new guy over and over. It's totally an irrational, fan-take but I get more satisfaction out of a Span double than a Doumit HR. I hate the trade deadline. I'm sure I'm speaking for a very small minority. Or just myself.

I know exactly what you mean and don't think it's that small of a minority opinion. It makes me think of the Seinfeld bit that at some point we're just cheering for laundry. I very much like the idea of building from within, staying with "our guys" at the core, and making minor changes at the fringes. That's the ideal for me, so you're not alone. We also have to understand that sometimes there are situations that dictate a move that doesn't go along with that idea. Sometimes it's hard to like, but we move on.

mike wants wins
07-02-2012, 10:30 AM
What team has ever added 2-3 starting pitchers, that are good enough to win divisions, in 1 year?

old nurse
07-02-2012, 10:36 AM
Usually the Twins trade their players in the 5th year of the service with the club. The exception being the players for whatever reason they don't personally like. Lohse, Young and Garza come to mind. The offer would have to be so far in the Twins favor to make a trade that I can't see it happening. The whole details of the proposed trade last year to Washington were never leaked. Storen for Span straight up was not going to happen, look up Seth Stohs story for the details. They still stand.

Riverbrian
07-02-2012, 10:43 AM
Span is one of my favorite players. I don't believe that Revere's play is the reason to trade Span. I would love to see Span and Revere in the same outfield for a long time. I do not want to lose Denard at all. He can play for me anyday.

However... This team needs pitching and needs it in the worse way. It isn't a question of picking up 5 guys who can throw for a rotation... You need 8 or 9 guys who can throw for your rotation because pitchers get hurt alot... Right now... The Twins have what... 2 maybe 3 arms that they can throw next year. They will need 6 more... If a Span trade happens... I know that pitching is why it happened and I will have supported the move but I will still feel sick about it.

Kudo's to Nick Nelson for his piece. It's hard to advocate the trading of one of the guys you really like. It's takes sensibility and balls. It makes you feel that Nick is worth reading because he is balanced.

jimbo92107
07-02-2012, 10:49 AM
Denard Span's skills could help some team score a lot of runs. He's one of the league's best lead-off hitters, has great speed in the outfield, steals bases and is a smart player. As others have observed, his real value will be as a right fielder on a team that already has a great CF, like the Yankees. Imagine a Span - Granderson one-two punch in that lineup, and then imagine the ground those two would cover on defense. Either one of them could bat first, and you'd still have a pitcher's nightmare.

Span is a good CF, but from that position he doesn't get his shoulders turned enough to generate a powerful throw. From right field it's a different story. From there, he gets natural shoulder turn from having the bases to his right while reaching half the time to the left side of his body, where the glove in his right hand forces him to turn sideways. The result is a more powerful throw to second or third base. Combined with his great speed and smart positioning, this improvement in his throwing makes Span an All-Star caliber right fielder with an MLB average arm, good enough to gun down all but the fastest guys making the turn around first.

It's kind of sad, because on the lowly Twins Denard Span will be stuck in center, where he really is their best option. Revere still doesn't have the arm to do much out there, while the minor league guys are still mostly a couple years away.

Tell you what though: In a few years, with Benson, Hicks, Arcia and a few other guys up, this team will be loaded with fast OF's with serious guns for arms. With those prospects coming up, I can see why the Twins might be willing to deal Denard Span for a good pitching prospect or three. Especially in a year where it just. isn't. going. to. matter.

jay
07-02-2012, 11:06 AM
Bourn comps better than Span so it is unlikely they will do better.



Agree than Bourn might comp a little better on the surface. However, I think the main difference here is that Bourn only had one year of control left (this year) at ~$7M. Span has next year at ~$5M, plus '14 and the option for '15. So, any team dealing for him is getting at least an extra year and likely 2. This alone gives Span more trade value in my eyes.

biggentleben
07-02-2012, 11:09 AM
Agree than Bourn might comp a little better on the surface. However, I think the main difference here is that Bourn only had one year of control left (this year) at ~$7M. Span has next year at ~$5M, plus '14 and the option for '15. So, any team dealing for him is getting at least an extra year and likely 2. This alone gives Span more trade value in my eyes.

Except Bourn has no possibility of hitting the trade market.

jay
07-02-2012, 11:12 AM
Bourn comps better than Span so it is unlikely they will do better.

Agree on the comp part, but I think the main difference is that Bourn only had one year of control left (this year) at ~$7M. Span has next year at ~$5M, plus '14 and the option on '15. That extra year (likely two) of control at reasonable salaries is crucial and gives Span a little more trade value in my eyes.

Riverbrian
07-02-2012, 11:16 AM
Denard Span's skills could help some team score a lot of runs. He's one of the league's best lead-off hitters, has great speed in the outfield, steals bases and is a smart player. As others have observed, his real value will be as a right fielder on a team that already has a great CF, like the Yankees. Imagine a Span - Granderson one-two punch in that lineup, and then imagine the ground those two would cover on defense. Either one of them could bat first, and you'd still have a pitcher's nightmare.

Span is a good CF, but from that position he doesn't get his shoulders turned enough to generate a powerful throw. From right field it's a different story. From there, he gets natural shoulder turn from having the bases to his right while reaching half the time to the left side of his body, where the glove in his right hand forces him to turn sideways. The result is a more powerful throw to second or third base. Combined with his great speed and smart positioning, this improvement in his throwing makes Span an All-Star caliber right fielder with an MLB average arm, good enough to gun down all but the fastest guys making the turn around first.

It's kind of sad, because on the lowly Twins Denard Span will be stuck in center, where he really is their best option. Revere still doesn't have the arm to do much out there, while the minor league guys are still mostly a couple years away.

Tell you what though: In a few years, with Benson, Hicks, Arcia and a few other guys up, this team will be loaded with fast OF's with serious guns for arms. With those prospects coming up, I can see why the Twins might be willing to deal Denard Span for a good pitching prospect or three. Especially in a year where it just. isn't. going. to. matter.

Jimbo... I love your breakdowns of the finer points of the game. Keep em coming. You do know your baseball!!!

On the subject of arm strength... The Runner is gonna advance when he thinks he can make it and that includes situations when the ball is hit to Francour, Harper, Ankiel or Cuddyer. Arm Strength is a nice quality to have but it isn't a deal breaker. 20 Outfield assists led the league last year... 16 assists for 2nd place. Over 162 games, that isn't a big factor. Please understand that those throw outs are big moments and I don't diminish each time it happens but as long as they hit the cut to keep the trailing runner from advancing or throw to the correct base. Arm Strength would not be a deal breaker... in my opinion.

Riverbrian
07-02-2012, 11:21 AM
Agree on the comp part, but I think the main difference is that Bourn only had one year of control left (this year) at ~$7M. Span has next year at ~$5M, plus '14 and the option on '15. That extra year (likely two) of control at reasonable salaries is crucial and gives Span a little more trade value in my eyes.

Also consider the Market. Tons of buyers... Not many sellers and those that are sellers don't have leadoff guys to sell. Span, Crisp, Victorino... Those are your options at first glance. If the Dodgers pick up Victorino, The D-Backs and Giants will want Span even more and vice versa.

twinstalker
07-02-2012, 11:27 AM
I've been totally against trading Span, but I'm starting to wonder what they could get. I'd much prefer they trade Revere, even with the salary difference, but Revere might be a good stop gap to a finally-ready Hicks in 2/3 years.

If the Twins could get a true prospect for Span (something better than they can get for Liriano), I would be on board, perhaps. Maybe something like Span and Carroll for Lombardozzi and Alex Meyer. Perhaps it wouldn't be horrible. Or Span for Sands and Webster from the Dodgers.

John Bonnes
07-02-2012, 11:59 AM
Parmelee - - - in right????? ........ Like EVERYDAY?????? YIKES!!!!! Please . . . not that . . . ANYTHING but that!!!

I don't know if he would be terrible there, especially in Target Field. But I do have trouble seeing the Twins trust him with right field. I can also see him having trouble feeling comfortable there, and taking those problems to the plate.

This year he's played just 4 (of 31) games in the OF. Last year it was 0. But in the minors he had 282 starts there. So it's not like it's totally foreign to him. But he's always been a 1B first, and a RF second.

John Bonnes
07-02-2012, 12:01 PM
Also consider the Market. Tons of buyers... Not many sellers and those that are sellers don't have leadoff guys to sell. Span, Crisp, Victorino... Those are your options at first glance. If the Dodgers pick up Victorino, The D-Backs and Giants will want Span even more and vice versa.

And if the Phils trade away Victorino, THEY could be interested in Span too as he's under contract in future years. Span might be some teams' preference for that reason over Crisp and Victorino.

greengoblinrulz
07-02-2012, 12:02 PM
You dont remember Terry Ryans track record on trades?
Span will be dealt & Sept will see a Arcia/Benson/Hicks trio in Rf/cf/lf w/Revere & Josh DHin more

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-02-2012, 12:20 PM
The funny thing is, if the Twins trade Span for a young ML ready pitcher(#2 upside) it could actually make the 2012 team quite a bit better (along with the 2013, 2014 etc)

jorgenswest
07-02-2012, 12:49 PM
The expectations on this board about what the Twins might receive in trade for Span seem so out of line with the midseason market in previous years. We will almost certainly be disappointed by the return we receive for Span.

In response, I am certain someone is going to point to a previous trade like Blake for Santana. The Indians did a great job in finding Santana who was not a top prospect entering the season he was traded. We will have to trust the Twins scouting department to find a great player hidden among the B/C level prospects.

Curt
07-02-2012, 12:58 PM
What I found interesting was Dick and Bert discussing it on the telecast this weekend. As I perceive them as mouthpieces for the organization (knowingly or not), I conclude the team is actively shopping Span. D & B discussing it is preparing the fans for the inevitable.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-02-2012, 12:59 PM
The expectations on this board about what the Twins might receive in trade for Span seem so out of line with the midseason market in previous years. We will almost certainly be disappointed by the return we receive for Span.

In response, I am certain someone is going to point to a previous trade like Blake for Santana. The Indians did a great job in finding Santana who was not a top prospect entering the season he was traded. We will have to trust the Twins scouting department to find a great player hidden among the B/C level prospects.
As it has been stated time and time again Span should at least net a top 50 prospect, for comparisons sake that would mean the guy the Twins got back would probably rank right behind Sano and Buxton in the org chart. (Or possibly Arcia as well if you consider him a top 50 guy currently-which I am starting to believe)

Beltran a rental got a stud like Wheeler back, there is no reason why the Twins can't do better than that with a cost controlled, very good CF/lead off guy.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-02-2012, 01:02 PM
I don't know if he would be terrible there, especially in Target Field. But I do have trouble seeing the Twins trust him with right field. I can also see him having trouble feeling comfortable there, and taking those problems to the plate.

This year he's played just 4 (of 31) games in the OF. Last year it was 0. But in the minors he had 282 starts there. So it's not like it's totally foreign to him. But he's always been a 1B first, and a RF second.

Agreed, I don't see why he can't be at least as defensively sound as Cuddyer in RF, also it should be noted that with Revere in CF Willingham and Parmelee would technically have less ground to cover since Revere has elite range in center.

Ideally you want a guy like Arcia or Benson to step up and handle RF since both would be an obvious upgrade defensively, allowing you to move Parmelee to 1st/DH in the future, but for a season or two Parmelee won't kill you in RF IMO.

DPJ
07-02-2012, 01:19 PM
Beltran a rental got a stud like Wheeler back, there is no reason why the Twins can't do better than that with a cost controlled, very good CF/lead off guy.

Love Span, but I don't think the Twins could get back a Wheeler type prospect back for him.

Just cause one team does something stupid, doesn't mean that sets the bar for a trade.

kemics
07-02-2012, 01:45 PM
I think it's a terrible decision to trade Span unless you get pitching in return that can help now. It's clear that the twins won't compete this year, but 2013 shouldn't be written off. The bats are there, Span and Revere at the top of the order have been more than adequate in getting on base for Mauer, Ham, Morneau, Ploufe et al. you've finally found a lineup that works, that scores runs, and that is slowly but surely creeping up the team batting stats.

Why not sit on Span, keep the order in tact, and try to make a splash with a Free Agent pitcher like Greinke.

DPJ
07-02-2012, 02:46 PM
Why not sit on Span, keep the order in tact, and try to make a splash with a Free Agent pitcher like Greinke.

Besides the fact that will be a cold day in hell before the Twins pony up the type of money Greinke is looking for. Greinke alone doesn't make this a playoff team.

By the time this team is good again, Span is long gone so sell high while he's got alot left on a cheap contract.

wagwan
07-02-2012, 05:48 PM
Agreed The Twins will not get value for Span. There would be a huge hole at the top of the order. What is needed is starting pitching. That will not come for Span.That will have to be bought If the Twins can get 2 legitimate starters they will win the division next year. Keep Liriano, Diamond, Hendriks add Greinke and one more they will win 90 games minimum

Thrylos
07-02-2012, 09:13 PM
What team has ever added 2-3 starting pitchers, that are good enough to win divisions, in 1 year?

Sure. The Viola trade and the AJP trade.

kab21
07-02-2012, 09:17 PM
The expectations on this board about what the Twins might receive in trade for Span seem so out of line with the midseason market in previous years. We will almost certainly be disappointed by the return we receive for Span.

In response, I am certain someone is going to point to a previous trade like Blake for Santana. The Indians did a great job in finding Santana who was not a top prospect entering the season he was traded. We will have to trust the Twins scouting department to find a great player hidden among the B/C level prospects.

then the Twins shouldn't trade him. It's that simple. He's a really valuable player and he shouldn't be traded just because of this crappy 'we have Revere' argument. The Twins have had awful OF defense for years so there isn't any reason to trade Span just to make a move.

Shane Wahl
07-03-2012, 11:35 AM
The Twins offense has turned around not simply because Ben Revere and Trevor Plouffe have been such fantastic performers (with the 3 and 4 hitters too, obviously). Just as much has to do with Span and Revere at the top together with .350 OBP. Even if Revere can "replace" Span, that doesn't mean that it is a good idea to mess with the top of the lineup, especially with no Joe Benson involved in the OF picture until probably 2014. If it was guaranteed by Gardy (!!) that Mauer would move up to the second spot and the whole lineup would just shift up, that might be one thing. But who knows if we wouldn't see Carroll/Casilla/Dozier batting there instead as Gardy goes with his "heart" or "gut" or whatever, instead of a simple statistic like OBP.

Shane Wahl
07-03-2012, 11:37 AM
And I cannot get my head around the notion that Denard Span is blocking Chris Parmelee. That's absurd. Chris Parmelee needs to actually perform well SOMEWHERE for an extended period of time this year before he should be appointed the next anything. He should have about 150 more PAs at Rochester by now, but alas . . .

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-03-2012, 11:44 AM
Agreed The Twins will not get value for Span.

What are you basing this off of?

diehardtwinsfan
07-03-2012, 11:56 AM
The Twins shoudln't trade Span to trade him. That's why Bill Smith got fired. He bashed his players publicly, destroyed their value, and then traded them for crap. If those are the offers on the table for a above average, cost controlled CF, then you keep him and consider retooling for next year (assuming we can get 3 starts in FA).

If not, you trade him for two very good starting pitching prospects. Ryan isn't the best GM out there, but in this I know that he isn't going to trade a guy simply to do it. He's going to want value.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-03-2012, 01:13 PM
And I cannot get my head around the notion that Denard Span is blocking Chris Parmelee. That's absurd. Chris Parmelee needs to actually perform well SOMEWHERE for an extended period of time this year before he should be appointed the next anything. He should have about 150 more PAs at Rochester by now, but alas . . .
Um, I don't think anyone is claiming that Span is blocking Parmelee.

The whole point of trading Span has been:
A. The Twins are rebuilding
B. Span could have a lot of value on the trade market due to his skill set and team friendly contract.
C. The Twins think they have a CF replacement (at least in the near term) for Span in Ben Revere.
D. By trading Span the Twins can fill other areas of need (Starting pitching, MI) while possibly getting younger/cheaper.

As finding someone to handle RF isn't exactly a hard proposition, if Parmelee can't handle it the Twins can continue to look for internal options for 2013 (Benson, Arcia, etc) or can go out and sign a veteran stop gap for a year to handle RF (Hunter?)

CDog
07-03-2012, 02:58 PM
That's why Bill Smith got fired. He bashed his players publicly, destroyed their value, and then traded them for crap.

When did Smith ever bash a player publicly?

chopper0080
07-04-2012, 12:50 PM
You make a deal that improves your organizations pitching or middle infield depth. If you can't upgrade either of those areas, you hold onto Span until next year and shop him again. We hold all the cards to get the best deal possible.

gunnarthor
07-04-2012, 01:22 PM
When did Smith ever bash a player publicly?

Dude, he's on a roll. Don't stop him with things like facts.

old nurse
07-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Gardy goes with his "heart" or "gut" or whatever, instead of a simple statistic like OBP.[/QUOTE]

Without decent starting pitching it does not matter what statistic Gardy uses. The more the "advanced" statistic will not change the caliber of Twins player. When Gardy has enough starting pitching his gut feelings done by observing what the player does has won enough games to win some pennants.

SpiritofVodkaDave
07-04-2012, 02:12 PM
When did Smith ever bash a player publicly?

The Perkins, Liriano and Slowey situations come to mind.

diehardtwinsfan
07-04-2012, 03:41 PM
When did Smith ever bash a player publicly?

You are correct, Smith himself never did that. The PR machine under smith did this all the time, and he did nothing to stop it. JJ Hardy was a fairly recent one, as was Delmon, Perkins, Baker, Slowey, Neshek, etc. It happened quite a bit, and its only purpose was to lower the value of the guys he wanted to get rid of.

CDog
07-04-2012, 06:00 PM
The Perkins, Liriano and Slowey situations come to mind.

And what did Bill Smith say of them that was considered "bashing?"

CDog
07-04-2012, 06:01 PM
You are correct, Smith himself never did that. The PR machine under smith did this all the time, and he did nothing to stop it. JJ Hardy was a fairly recent one, as was Delmon, Perkins, Baker, Slowey, Neshek, etc. It happened quite a bit, and its only purpose was to lower the value of the guys he wanted to get rid of.

When and how were these players bashed? And do you really think that was the purpose?

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 06:20 PM
When and how were these players bashed? And do you really think that was the purpose?

Do you not read the papers? Do you not watch FSN Twins telecasts?

If you don't think it's readily apparent when we're getting PR through JoeC/LEN, or from Dickbert, then I don't know what to say.

They all but accused Slowey of child molestation last year.

CDog
07-04-2012, 06:31 PM
Do you not read the papers? Do you not watch FSN Twins telecasts?

If you don't think it's readily apparent when we're getting PR through JoeC/LEN, or from Dickbert, then I don't know what to say.

They all but accused Slowey of child molestation last year.

You could actually provide an example.

USAFChief
07-04-2012, 06:36 PM
You could actually provide an example.

They all but accused Slowey of child molestation last year.

CDog
07-04-2012, 06:39 PM
They all but accused Slowey of child molestation last year.

That's your version of an example? And another piece of the puzzle falls into place.

Shane Wahl
07-04-2012, 06:50 PM
All I remember in most cases were "rumors" bandied about by the "access" journalists. And then one time the camera caught Slowey yawning in the bullpen and Blyleven lit into him with no class whatsoever.

TheLeviathan
07-04-2012, 10:46 PM
That's your version of an example? And another piece of the puzzle falls into place.

Seriously? Thanks for the input Dr. Doofenshmirtz.

TheLeviathan
07-04-2012, 10:50 PM
All I remember in most cases were "rumors" bandied about by the "access" journalists. And then one time the camera caught Slowey yawning in the bullpen and Blyleven lit into him with no class whatsoever.

That carried on for several days, including his KFAN appearance.

Kobs
07-04-2012, 11:45 PM
200 at bats do not make Span expendable.

Jeremy Nygaard
07-09-2012, 02:52 PM
From Jim Bowden's latest piece in discussion about the Nats potentially trading Alex Meyer:


Because he signed just before the old Aug. 15 signing deadline, Meyer can't officially be traded until after Aug. 15 this year; however, the Nats could make Meyer available as a player to be named later in a deal at the deadline if they can acquire a center fielder such as the Minnesota Twins’ Denard Span (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29087/denard-span) or Ben Revere (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29976/ben-revere)...

Badsmerf
07-09-2012, 03:20 PM
That would be something the Twins would consider. Meyer could move through the system pretty quickly and would instantly become the Twins #1 starting pitcher in the minors.

DPJ
07-09-2012, 03:30 PM
That would be something the Twins would consider. Meyer could move through the system pretty quickly and would instantly become the Twins #1 starting pitcher in the minors.

There's nothing about Meyer that's should or will more quickly, he's pretty raw for a guy coming outta college. He still struggles with his command, the Nats were smart to send him to low-A to start his career.

diehardtwinsfan
07-09-2012, 04:53 PM
From Jim Bowden's latest piece in discussion about the Nats potentially trading Alex Meyer:


Definitely something I could get behind.

notoriousgod71
07-09-2012, 08:13 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/washington-nationals-prospect-alex-meyer-makes-most-of-futures-game-appearance/2012/07/08/gJQAqsfHXW_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage

Alex Meyer article regarding the Future's Game.

Curt
07-11-2012, 11:14 AM
The good thing about average players is that half the teams view them as an upgrade.













AL Split
BA
OBP
SLG
OPS
GPA

SB
CS


as CF
.272
.335
.434
.769
.259

11.4
3.8


Batting 1st
.265
.329
.398
.727
.248

11.8
4.1


Span
.270
.334
.375
.709
.244

9
3

amjgt
07-11-2012, 01:05 PM
I like Span and I go back and forth on whether we should trade him.

1. Trade him - Blow this thing up. Whoever has value, trade 'em. Load up the farm with an eye for 2014/5
2. Don't trade him - I really like 1/2/3/4 right now with Span/Revere/Mauer/Willingham. I look at that and think, "nothing to fix there." There aren't a lot of places on this Twins team where I feel like we don't need to change anything to be a playoff team. Our 1-4 could be the 1-4 of a playoff team (Actually, if you replaced Morneau with either a slightly above league average 1B, or 75% of what he used to be, I would be happy with our 1-7)
3. Trade him - His value is high right now, in spite of his numbers being somewhat down. We've got a guy, in Revere, that can slide right into CF and the leadoff spot. Shop him. Get what you can.
4. Don't trade him - He's a good CF and he's signed for a reasonable price for the next 3 years (probably why other teams want him)
5. Trade him - Every decent offensive prospect in the organization is either currently in the OF, or looks like they might be headed there. We need to balance things out.

Right now #2 is leading, in my head, so I say don't trade him.

Tomorrow might be a different story.

amjgt
07-11-2012, 01:09 PM
In the end, it's a decent spot for the Twins to be in. There are plenty of reasons to keep Span around, but if someone really wants him and is willing to give us good prospects, he's also fairly expendable.