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Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 10:16 AM
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Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 10:50 AM
Royals:
Gordon LF
Escobar SS
Butler DH
Francoeur RF
Betancourt 3B
Hosmer 1B
Pena C
Bourgeois CF
Falu 2B
(Chen P)

Twins:
Span CF
Carroll 2B
Mauer DH
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Plouffe 3B
Mastroianni RF
Butera C
Dozier SS
(Liriano P)

The Greatest Poster Alive
07-01-2012, 10:58 AM
Can Butera use a racial slur about Liriano so we can get this asinine personal catcher bs to stop?

Seth Stohs
07-01-2012, 10:59 AM
Good to see Mastroianni getting some opportunity. In this weather and middle of the season, a fourth OF can be so important, allowing Willingham to DH, and giving Span and Revere a rare day off.

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 11:08 AM
Good to see Mastroianni getting some opportunity. In this weather and middle of the season, a fourth OF can be so important, allowing Willingham to DH, and giving Span and Revere a rare day off.

I grudgingly admit that Mastrioanni might be an okay fourth outfielder and pinch runner. It looks like he's quite a capable fielder (haven't really looked into it much, just going off the eyeball test), he's not terrified of taking a walk, and he's speedy. That's pretty much all you can ask from a fourth outfielder on the Twins.

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 11:10 AM
Can Butera use a racial slur about Liriano so we can get this asinine personal catcher bs to stop?

Honestly, this is how Butera should be used. Day game after a doubleheader that's also a travel day.

Of course, we know that Gardy is putting him out there because Liriano is pitching but I can't complain about the move too much... this time.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 12:20 PM
Prediciton: Butler breaks up Liriano's no-hitter in the 6th. After what Chen did to us last time, I'm not giggly about scoring more than 2 runs this game.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 12:47 PM
*sigh* Is this going to turn into another "I hate Butera" thread?

Badsmerf
07-01-2012, 12:59 PM
I wish they would let Casilla play a little more consistently. At this point, I don't think he is a long term solution, but the Twins should let him play and be a stop-gap until better options are ready or cut bait.

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 01:09 PM
I wish they would let Casilla play a little more consistently. At this point, I don't think he is a long term solution, but the Twins should let him play and be a stop-gap until better options are ready or cut bait.

Such a frustrating player. So freakin' annoying to watch. I want to like Casilla so much.

Yesterday was such a perfect example of Casilla. He stops and does nothing after beating out a throw and fails to advance to second after the ball sails away. Unacceptable.

Then he gets on base a couple more times and causes all-out anarchy on the basepaths, stealing bases at will.

He makes me want to bash my face into a door most days.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 01:19 PM
He makes me want to bash my face into a door most days.

Actually, you can say that about most of the people on the roster these days.

glunn
07-01-2012, 01:27 PM
*sigh* Is this going to turn into another "I hate Butera" thread?

Let's hope not. Today he is allowing Mauer and Doumit to get some needed rest after yesterday's doubleheader.

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 01:32 PM
Francisco certainly looks like he's dealing again today.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Looks like Plouffe has found his groove again.

glunn
07-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Plouffe!!!

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Hell yeah!

Saul Goodman
07-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Trevor "F-ing" Ploufee

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 01:40 PM
The master of the solo home run strikes again!

I can't believe what Plouffe has turned into over the past month. Amazing.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 01:40 PM
The only complaint I have is that it seems like all Plouffe's homers are solo shots - anybody got any stats on this?

Dilligaf69
07-01-2012, 01:40 PM
Trevor enjoys hitting at TF!

Dilligaf69
07-01-2012, 01:41 PM
The only complaint I have is that it seems like all Plouffe's homers are solo shots - anybody got any stats on this?

No stats needed it's true I pointed it out before but we'll take it.

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 01:42 PM
The only complaint I have is that it seems like all Plouffe's homers are solo shots - anybody got any stats on this?

14 solo shots this season. Correction, 15 including the one he just hit.

glunn
07-01-2012, 01:42 PM
Who would have thought at the beginning of the season that Plouffe would be on track for 35+ homers?

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 01:42 PM
Looks like Liriano will bring his ERA into the 4s today, if all continues to go well.

Scheherezade
07-01-2012, 01:44 PM
The only complaint I have is that it seems like all Plouffe's homers are solo shots - anybody got any stats on this?

That's the downside of hitting behind Morneau I guess.

glunn
07-01-2012, 01:44 PM
Looks like Liriano will bring his ERA into the 4s today, if all continues to go well.

He looks a bit wild today. At this pace he may only be able to go 6 innings.

glunn
07-01-2012, 01:46 PM
That's the downside of hitting behind Morneau I guess.

That seems like a fair point. Does anyone have a stat about how often Plouffe bats with men on base compared with the league average?

Riverbrian
07-01-2012, 01:46 PM
Trevor enjoys hitting at TF!


I thnk it's safe to say... Trevor has given himself a little bit of the benefit of the doubt and he will be penciled into the lineup at 3B for the Twins for a long period of time. He could go back to struggling and the Twins will give him some time to see if he can get back to what he is doing right now.

I had my doubts... I still have some... But... Holy Cow... The Job belongs to him... Can anyone argue that? Congrats to Trevor!!!

Saul Goodman
07-01-2012, 01:46 PM
Season
Split
G
AB
PA
H
1B
2B
3B
HR
R
RBI
BB
IBB
SO
HBP
SF
SH
GDP
SB
CS
AVG





2012
Bases Empty
54
109
123
35
14
7
0
14
14
14
14
0
30
0
0
0
0
0
0
.321


2012
Men on Base
52
87
98
13
8
3
0
2
2
15
9
0
17
1
1
0
6
0
0
.149

etspaceman
07-01-2012, 01:47 PM
He looks a bit wild today. At this pace he may only be able to go 6 innings.

Isn't that the case every time he pitches?

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 01:48 PM
I thnk it's safe to say... Trevor has given himself a little bit of the benefit of the doubt and he will be penciled into the lineup at 3B for the Twins for a long period of time. He could go back to struggling and the Twins will give him some time to see if he can get back to what he is doing right now.

I had my doubts... I still have some... But... Holy Cow... The Job belongs to him... Can anyone argue that? Congrats to Trevor!!!

I want to believe this, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Most fans were saying the same thing about Valencia his rookie year. Things change and too often for the Twins they change for the worse. But let's enjoy his play today and hope that it continue for many years. :)

Jocko87
07-01-2012, 01:48 PM
14 solo shots this season. Correction, 15 including the one he just hit.

That was also only his 30th rbi, I wonder what the record is on that?

glunn
07-01-2012, 01:48 PM
I thnk it's safe to say... Trevor has given himself a little bit of the benefit of the doubt and he will be penciled into the lineup at 3B for the Twins for a long period of time. He could go back to struggling and the Twins will give him some time to see if he can get back to what he is doing right now.

I had my doubts... I still have some... But... Holy Cow... The Job belongs to him... Can anyone argue that? Congrats to Trevor!!!

Valencia has been having some 2 home run games in Rochester, so maybe people will start arguing if Valencia stays hot and Plouffe cools down. Or maybe Valencia can be traded for pitching.

glunn
07-01-2012, 01:51 PM
Season
Split
G
AB
PA
H
1B
2B
3B
HR
R
RBI
BB
IBB
SO
HBP
SF
SH
GDP
SB
CS
AVG





2012
Bases Empty
54
109
123
35
14
7
0
14
14
14
14
0
30
0
0
0
0
0
0
.321


2012
Men on Base
52
87
98
13
8
3
0
2
2
15
9
0
17
1
1
0
6
0
0
.149




This seems to confirm that Plouffe is a lot less productive with men on base.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 01:55 PM
According to pitchtrax that 3rd called strike on Span was a definite ball. Liriano has had several closer pitches all be called balls.

jokin
07-01-2012, 01:58 PM
The master of the solo home run strikes again!

I can't believe what Plouffe has turned into over the past month. Amazing.

I know you're not suggesting this, but, I hope we don't all go through rounds and rounds of criticizing Plouffe because of which situaton he hits most of his home runs in. Dick and Bert were all over this the last couple of days.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 01:58 PM
Ok, Butler gets the first Royals hit in the 4th. So close on that prediction. :(

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 02:02 PM
That was also only his 30th rbi, I wonder what the record is on that?

I remember there's some player from the 60s or 70s that had a ridiculous HR/RBI ratio. I seem to recall him playing for the Orioles but this is only a vague recollection.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:02 PM
Ok, Butler gets the first Royals hit in the 4th. So close on that prediction. :(

You were indeed close. Now please predict whether Liriano can get out of this inning without any runs.

Riverbrian
07-01-2012, 02:03 PM
Season

Split

G

AB

PA

H

1B

2B

3B

HR

R

RBI

BB

IBB

SO

HBP

SF

SH

GDP

SB

CS

AVG






2012

Bases Empty

54

109

123

35

14

7


14

14

14

14


30







.321



2012

Men on Base

52

87

98

13

8

3


2

2

15

9


17

1

1


6



.149





Yeah... Your Right... What was I thinking... Put Casilla over at 3B. Just look at that GDP stat... 6 Double Plays with Men on Base and none with the Bases Empty. No Sacrifices at all with the bases empty either.

jeffk
07-01-2012, 02:03 PM
Fun fact: as of that home run, Plouffe is hitting home runs at a higher rate per plate appearance than Jose Bautista. 11th in the AL in home runs even though he doesn't have enough PAs to qualify.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 02:05 PM
You were indeed close. Now please predict whether Liriano can get out of this inning without any runs.

It doesn't look good, does it?

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:09 PM
OK, time for the Twins to get 3-4 runs so the pressure won't all be on Liriano.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:10 PM
It doesn't look good, does it?

At least he limited the damage to one run. But 73 pitches in 4 innings suggests that he will not make it past the 5th or 6th inning. I am glad that the bullpen has had some rest.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:13 PM
Fun fact: as of that home run, Plouffe is hitting home runs at a higher rate per plate appearance than Jose Bautista. 11th in the AL in home runs even though he doesn't have enough PAs to qualify.

That is a very fun fact. I just wish Plouffe would hit more home runs against righties and with men on base.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:17 PM
According to pitchtrax that 3rd called strike on Span was a definite ball. Liriano has had several closer pitches all be called balls.

And Mauer strikes out looking on a pitch that pitchtrax shows was slightly outside. This ump hurting us.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:20 PM
Boy, we could have used that last inning - I'll take it now, though!

Jocko87
07-01-2012, 02:20 PM
And Mauer strikes out looking on a pitch that pitchtrax shows was slightly outside. This ump hurting us.

The lollipop curve ball right down the middle that he took for the first pitch was the problem with that AB.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:21 PM
Nice double play, but Carroll is lucky that it was not Swisher coming at him -- Swisher might have broken Carroll's leg on that one.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:23 PM
Looks like Frankie is starting to lose it - c'mon, Drew, work your magic!

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:25 PM
Looks like Frankie is starting to lose it - c'mon, Drew, work your magic!

Yes, I was just thinking the same thing. And it would be wise to get a reliever ready.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:27 PM
We'll see if Frankie comes out for the sixth. If he does, I bet they have a reliever ready to go, just in case, and pull him at the first sign of trouble. Our experience with Liriano this year is when it goes south, it goes south quickly and badly.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:28 PM
Nice work by Liriano to get the strikeout. Should Gardenhire send him back out for the 6th inning with 92 pitches already, or save his arm?

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:29 PM
We'll see if Frankie comes out for the sixth. If he does, I bet they have a reliever ready to go, just in case, and pull him at the first sign of trouble. Our experience with Liriano this year is when it goes south, it goes south quickly and badly.

I would send out someone else and preserve Liriano's arm and era.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:31 PM
Wow! Just how big is this guy's strike zone when the Twins are batting?

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:31 PM
This ump is killing us. BOOOOOO!

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 02:32 PM
Send him out on a short leash.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:33 PM
OK, Butera, make the doubters respect you.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 02:34 PM
If Mastro can steal second, would you rather have Butera up or Dozier?

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 02:37 PM
Butera swings at two balls.... that's why we bat him in front of someone else.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:40 PM
Is anybody else crossing their fingers that Frankie gets through this inning?

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:42 PM
Is anybody else crossing their fingers that Frankie gets through this inning?

I am full on praying.

Scheherezade
07-01-2012, 02:42 PM
Pull him now!

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:46 PM
I am blaming Gardenhire for this.

Scheherezade
07-01-2012, 02:47 PM
I am blaming Gardenhire for this.

Morneau and Mastroianni didn't help.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:47 PM
Well, I don't think Frankie deserved that. A couple of bad breaks and bounces that inning, and it costs him a chance at a win.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:48 PM
Morneau and Mastroianni didn't help.

Agreed, but Liriano should not have been out there -- it was clear that he had lost it.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 02:51 PM
Put a tent up, we've got a circus.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:52 PM
Gray also needs to come out -- he does not have good stuff today.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 02:53 PM
This is a worrying result for Liriano. Earlier in the season when he got in trouble, it deteriorated quickly - he couldn't find a way to buckle down and pitch his way out.

After he came back from the bullpen, there were a few games when he was able to do that - bear down and get those last outs.

It appears he is reverting back to original form.

glunn
07-01-2012, 02:56 PM
Put a tent up, we've got a circus.

That was a sickening inning. Now we get to see if the Twins can respond.

etspaceman
07-01-2012, 02:59 PM
Down 4 runs and you bunt?

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 03:00 PM
Since it was a long time ago, I want to remind everyone that Butera, batting 8th, made the final out last inning with a man on by swinging at two balls that weren't close to the zone. Now our #9 hits a triple. Yet, got to keep batting Butera in the 8-hole. Why? I know this is no good reason but why?

DPJ
07-01-2012, 03:01 PM
Did Span really just bunt down by 4 runs?

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 03:05 PM
Did Span really just bunt down by 4 runs?

I don't think it was meant to be a sacrifice. He was trying to beat it out for a base hit.

glunn
07-01-2012, 03:05 PM
Since it was a long time ago, I want to remind everyone that Butera, batting 8th, made the final out last inning with a man on by swinging at two balls that weren't close to the zone. Now our #9 hits a triple. Yet, got to keep batting Butera in the 8-hole. Why? I know this is no good reason but why?

I would blame the man who filled out the lineup card and who kept Liriano in the game when he was clearly struggling.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 03:07 PM
That's one out of the movies. I'm glad Liriano doesn't take a loss on this.

Jocko87
07-01-2012, 03:08 PM
I've noticed that Plouffe and Willingham have been homering in pairs lately.

Scheherezade
07-01-2012, 03:08 PM
How come this man is not an all-star!?

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 03:08 PM
How come this man is not an all-star!?

When you're the worst team in the American League, you only get one - and Mauer is deserving.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 03:09 PM
Plouffe: "Take that, Josh!"

Scheherezade
07-01-2012, 03:09 PM
Goddamn, look at that Plouffe.

glunn
07-01-2012, 03:10 PM
Plouffe!!!

etspaceman
07-01-2012, 03:10 PM
It all started with the bunt!

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 03:13 PM
This was all one inning too late. If they do this in the 5th and give Liriano a 5-run lead, he could have pitched with no pressure and gotten through six, maybe even seven.

minn55441
07-01-2012, 03:13 PM
It took a while, but they solved the chen riddle.

Highabove
07-01-2012, 03:18 PM
Why is Gray still in the game?
Why is Gray still on the Team??

glunn
07-01-2012, 03:24 PM
Butera just made a great throw to nail the attempted base stealer. So at least he has some value today.

minn55441
07-01-2012, 03:28 PM
Butera has a great arm, I would match him up against any catcher in baseball in throwing out runners. If the pitchers give him a shot (holding them close and not giving incredible jumps), he will get them 50% of the time.

glunn
07-01-2012, 03:38 PM
That was a good insurance run. Now let's get another.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 03:39 PM
Oh good, I thought Span may try to bunt Dozier over to third :)

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 03:40 PM
Butera has a great arm, I would match him up against any catcher in baseball in throwing out runners. If the pitchers give him a shot (holding them close and not giving incredible jumps), he will get them 50% of the time.

I think he's the best catcher defensively on the team. Now if he could only hit with regularity...

glunn
07-01-2012, 03:46 PM
Nice catch by Willingham. Lots of Twins are contributing today.

glunn
07-01-2012, 03:58 PM
Butler was more than pesky, but Burton hung in there. If the Twins win today, lots of folks deserve credit.

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:01 PM
This will be perfect if Plouffe can get his third home run of the day.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 04:02 PM
Butler was more than pesky, but Burton hung in there. If the Twins win today, lots of folks deserve credit.

Yes. These are the little things that all too often get unnoticed. Mauer battles Chapman and gets a double, wearing him down emotionally and setting up the Willingham homer. Butler tries to do the same thing here, but Burton wins the battle and prevents would could have been a nasty inning from happening.

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:04 PM
I would have pinch hit Revere for Mastro here.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 04:05 PM
Just take the walk there Plouffe, can't hit one out every time, nor should you try when they're pitching around you.

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:06 PM
And now I would pinch hit Revere for Butera. Why not go with the hotter bat to go for more insurance runs?

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Dang that Butera - can't he do anything right?

Scheherezade
07-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Butera three run bomb!

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Are you kidding me????!!!!

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:07 PM
And I would have been wrong. Congratulations to Butera for hitting the bomb.

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:09 PM
This has turned out to be a very enjoyable game. I will be in a good mood for the rest of the day.

ofx1
07-01-2012, 04:10 PM
Droofus! :)

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 04:10 PM
A new record for Target Field - the first time the Twins have hit 4 HRs in a game here.

ofx1
07-01-2012, 04:14 PM
KC appears to be looking forward to sitting someplace with air conditioning.

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:16 PM
KC appears to be looking forward to sitting someplace with air conditioning.

Hopefully for their traditional home in the cellar.

IdahoPilgrim
07-01-2012, 04:16 PM
Don't get too casual here, guys. You still have to get that last out. Texas was one pitch away from winning the world series last fall twice, and ended up with nothing.

ofx1
07-01-2012, 04:18 PM
Hopefully for their traditional home in the cellar.

True, but at this point I'll take the draft slot... And Perkins makes it interesting w/4 straight 2 out hits... sheesh.

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:18 PM
Damn -- this is not going well. We need to get a reliever ready.

ofx1
07-01-2012, 04:20 PM
Nice game/win after being down 5-1

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:20 PM
Finally! Good win.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 04:21 PM
So it turns out that we needed the Butera home run to win... tis an interesting game, baseball is.

Ultima Ratio
07-01-2012, 04:24 PM
And Gray gets another win on another less than impressive relief outing. What a worthless stat.

one_eyed_jack
07-01-2012, 04:29 PM
That was a fun game to watch. I didn't like the way things were looking when KC made it 5-1, but that's baseball.

Let's see what we can do in Detroit.

I'd love to see Hendriks get his first W tomorrow.

That 4th of July matchup of Duensing vs. Verlander doesn't give me good feelings.

one_eyed_jack
07-01-2012, 04:31 PM
And Gray gets another win on another less than impressive relief outing. What a worthless stat.

---No doubt. But hey, I'll take it - better an undeserved W than a deserved L.

glunn
07-01-2012, 04:51 PM
I'd love to see Hendriks get his first W tomorrow.



I will share in that wish.

I am also hoping that Hendriks can develop a better "out" pitch. Hendriks seems to have solid stuff, but hitters are able to hang in there against him for a long time, fouling off pitches until they get one they can hit. I wonder what is being done or could be done to address this.

Dilligaf69
07-01-2012, 07:48 PM
I will share in that wish.

I am also hoping that Hendriks can develop a better "out" pitch. Hendriks seems to have solid stuff, but hitters are able to hang in there against him for a long time, fouling off pitches until they get one they can hit. I wonder what is being done or could be done to address this.



Nothing Gardy and Anderson are worthless...DUH!:p