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fatbeer
07-01-2012, 08:15 AM
If the Wild offer him the money it seems they will he's coming here. If you can make the cup finals in New Jersey you can do it here. Pittsburg doesn't have the money to give him the biggest offer, and hockey players more then anyone else need to be all about the money because the top paid hockey player makes about 40-50% of what the top baseball or basketball player makes. Not to mention hockey players and agents know what kind of young talent the Wild are brining in. If it's not Minnesota or New jersey I'd bet it's some team out of nowhere, and not Pittsburgh or Detriot.

Joe
07-01-2012, 02:07 PM
If the Wild offer him the money it seems they will he's coming here. If you can make the cup finals in New Jersey you can do it here. Pittsburg doesn't have the money to give him the biggest offer, and hockey players more then anyone else need to be all about the money because the top paid hockey player makes about 40-50% of what the top baseball or basketball player makes. Not to mention hockey players and agents know what kind of young talent the Wild are brining in. If it's not Minnesota or New jersey I'd bet it's some team out of nowhere, and not Pittsburgh or Detriot.

Play with the 2 best players in the NHL........ or play with Miko Kouivu. It's going to be a tough sell for the Wild management. There isn't a single reason for him to sign in Minnesota outside of being from here. Detroit has the same amount of money as the Wild, and Pitt has enough to make him an almost equal one. One of the biggest edges the Wild have is their ability to sign both Suter and Parise.

My best guess though, Suter signs with Detroit. Parise signs with Pittsburgh. Wild sign Shane Doan, Jason Garrison, and Jamie Langenbrunner. They'll sign an enforcer too that can actually skate, unlike Kassian.

fatbeer
07-01-2012, 02:24 PM
Sounds like he's going to Pittsburg. I wonder how quickly he'll learn how to dive. What a jerk.

Joe
07-01-2012, 03:30 PM
Sounds like he's going to Pittsburg. I wonder how quickly he'll learn how to dive. What a jerk.

Where are you seeing this?

And yeah, it seems like the smart move on his part to play there. Wild fans are going to be distraught even though they never even had a chance....

fatbeer
07-01-2012, 06:14 PM
There was a rumor that Pittsburg was a done deal in the middle of the day, but now it looks like he'll make his decision in the morning and people in the know say the Wild are still in it. Based on the offers I've heard discussed I would say the Wild is the front runner with New Jersey in the mix if they can up there offer. Pittsburgh just won't have the money, and with Crosby's concusions and the difficulty they will have keeping Malkin after next year they just seem like a bad option if he wants to win a cup.

Joe
07-01-2012, 07:18 PM
Ecklund is saying the Penguins are offering more money than they gave Sidney..............

DJSim22
07-01-2012, 07:45 PM
Play with the 2 best players in the NHL........ or play with Miko Kouivu. It's going to be a tough sell for the Wild management. There isn't a single reason for him to sign in Minnesota outside of being from here. Detroit has the same amount of money as the Wild, and Pitt has enough to make him an almost equal one. One of the biggest edges the Wild have is their ability to sign both Suter and Parise.

My best guess though, Suter signs with Detroit. Parise signs with Pittsburgh. Wild sign Shane Doan, Jason Garrison, and Jamie Langenbrunner. They'll sign an enforcer too that can actually skate, unlike Kassian.

Play with two of the best in the NHL, one who is likely to miss half of the games, and the other who they will have trouble signing after next season. One could argue the Wild are set up better than Pittsburg. I'd be more concerned about Detroit. They are old, but they have a superior front office who keeps them near the top.

The Wild signed Kassian to a two year contract for 1.15mil, so I'm not sure why you expect another enforcer signed. Garrison sign with Vancouver for 6 years 27 mil.

All that said, I'm not going to be crushed if Parise goes elsewhere. A Crosbylike contract might tie us down ala Mauer. Parise isn't real speedy and is not a sniper nor a defensemen. Those are the three area's we need most. Parise on the team certainly makes them better, but I'm not sure he's the guy you spend all the money on.

fatbeer
07-01-2012, 07:58 PM
Last thing I heard on Parise the Red Wings are a long shot. Sutter is still looking at the Wild. If the two end up together it will either be here or maybe Philly. If they can't go together Sutter will probably sign with the Wings and Parise will decide between the Penguins and here assuming New Jersey can't come up with a better offer. I almost get the feeling that we get Sutter if we get Parise, good chance the two are talking tonight. Don't know if the Flyers can afford both of there offers to the two or just one. Don't really see a scenario where we get just Sutter although I kind of feel like that would be ideal.

fatbeer
07-01-2012, 08:01 PM
By the way we signed another enforcer this afternoon Konopka from Ottawa who can win draws to for whatever thats worth

Jason
07-02-2012, 02:31 AM
There was a rumor that Pittsburg was a done deal in the middle of the day, but now it looks like he'll make his decision in the morning and people in the know say the Wild are still in it. Based on the offers I've heard discussed I would say the Wild is the front runner with New Jersey in the mix if they can up there offer. Pittsburgh just won't have the money, and with Crosby's concusions and the difficulty they will have keeping Malkin after next year they just seem like a bad option if he wants to win a cup.

There wasn't any legit rumor of Parise to the Penguins being a done deal, Pierre McGuire said the Penguins were the frontrunner and that was the closest anyone said.


Last thing I heard on Parise the Red Wings are a long shot. Sutter is still looking at the Wild. If the two end up together it will either be here or maybe Philly. If they can't go together Sutter will probably sign with the Wings and Parise will decide between the Penguins and here assuming New Jersey can't come up with a better offer. I almost get the feeling that we get Sutter if we get Parise, good chance the two are talking tonight. Don't know if the Flyers can afford both of there offers to the two or just one. Don't really see a scenario where we get just Sutter although I kind of feel like that would be ideal.

Yeah it sounds like if the Wild get Parise they'll get Suter to.

Flyers reportedly (http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/flyers-talk/Flyers-extend-long-term-offers-to-Parise?blockID=733860&feedID=695) have offers to both Parise and Suter potentially 12 years $110 million.

Joe
07-02-2012, 12:28 PM
One could argue the Wild are set up better than Pittsburg.

One could argue a lot of things, but anyone who would argue this would know little, if anything, about hockey. You can argue about Crosby being healthy all you want, but in the end they still have the best player in the NHL and a franchise goaltender and franchise player in Neal. The wild have solid prospects that may turn into franchise players. Huge difference. Malkin, Crosby, Neal, and Andre-fleury haven't even hit their primes yet!!! Koivu is just as big of injury risk as Crosby, and half the player.

Asinine.

striker_86
07-02-2012, 12:45 PM
As far as Parise goes, someone mentioned that he wants to be the go-to guy in the franchise. If this is the case, Minnesota is clearly better than Pittsburgh. Think about, they would roll out the red carpet, and treat him like a King. In Pittsburgh, he would have a much better shot at winning, but that's Crosby's team.

Joe
07-02-2012, 03:06 PM
As far as Parise goes, someone mentioned that he wants to be the go-to guy in the franchise. If this is the case, Minnesota is clearly better than Pittsburgh. Think about, they would roll out the red carpet, and treat him like a King. In Pittsburgh, he would have a much better shot at winning, but that's Crosby's team.

Who mentioned him wanting to be the go to guy? And what would make you think it's crosbys team?

fatbeer
07-02-2012, 04:19 PM
If crosby goes down and Parise gets 10 million cap hit they have next to no chance at a cup, and Fleury is no better then any goalie making the league minimum nor is Backstrom or Luango. keep in mind they did just lose a player who is very comparable to Parise in Staal. That situation is a disaster waiting happen the Wild will have major trade flexibility when the contracts of Heatly and Backstrom expire, and the prospects to make any deal they want. If the Pittsburgh situation was a slam dunk he would have no trouble making the decision.

Joe
07-02-2012, 05:29 PM
If crosby goes down and Parise gets 10 million cap hit they have next to no chance at a cup, and Fleury is no better then any goalie making the league minimum nor is Backstrom or Luango. keep in mind they did just lose a player who is very comparable to Parise in Staal. That situation is a disaster waiting happen the Wild will have major trade flexibility when the contracts of Heatly and Backstrom expire, and the prospects to make any deal they want. If the Pittsburgh situation was a slam dunk he would have no trouble making the decision.


Haha. Ok. I think it wa decided long ago at BYTO that you are a hockey mastermind. There are other teams in on him as well you know- Detroit, Chicago, New Jersey......

TheLeviathan
07-02-2012, 06:10 PM
To be honest, I wonder if this is really the best time for the Wild to be splashing like this anyway. I'd almost rather they wait until Backstrom's deal is off the cap and we could take a run at guys like Perry, Getzlaf, Fisher, Roy, etc.

If they both come here that's great - they are losing a ton of money next season with Bouchard and Backstrom gone, but this team's bright future isn't for a few years at least. (If at all...)

Joe
07-02-2012, 06:50 PM
To be honest, I wonder if this is really the best time for the Wild to be splashing like this anyway. I'd almost rather they wait until Backstrom's deal is off the cap and we could take a run at guys like Perry, Getzlaf, Fisher, Roy, etc.

If they both come here that's great - they are losing a ton of money next season with Bouchard and Backstrom gone, but this team's bright future isn't for a few years at least. (If at all...)

They have to make a splash though. For the record, I'm not really in favor of the Wild going all in with a ridiculous 10 year 12 million per contract either for Parise or Suter, but the Wild's fan base is absolutely waining. I believe they had a 30% of season ticket holders not renew this past year (I believe that was the %). If they don't win this year, hockey in Minnesota is going to take a backseat to Timberwolves basketball. That would be a disaster for ownership.

DJSim22
07-02-2012, 07:08 PM
One could argue a lot of things, but anyone who would argue this would know little, if anything, about hockey. You can argue about Crosby being healthy all you want, but in the end they still have the best player in the NHL and a franchise goaltender and franchise player in Neal. The wild have solid prospects that may turn into franchise players. Huge difference. Malkin, Crosby, Neal, and Andre-fleury haven't even hit their primes yet!!! Koivu is just as big of injury risk as Crosby, and half the player.

Asinine.

Let's talk when Crosby is out, Malkin walks next year, when they have no defense, with Fluery the overrate goalie. You are right, you are a great hockey mind. If a guy looking for a 10-12 year contract is only looking at next year like you are, he better get an advisor.

TheLeviathan
07-02-2012, 07:28 PM
They have to make a splash though. For the record, I'm not really in favor of the Wild going all in with a ridiculous 10 year 12 million per contract either for Parise or Suter, but the Wild's fan base is absolutely waining. I believe they had a 30% of season ticket holders not renew this past year (I believe that was the %). If they don't win this year, hockey in Minnesota is going to take a backseat to Timberwolves basketball. That would be a disaster for ownership.

I think they're just waiting for something to get behind. Even the inkling of the playoffs would bring them back. But I agree that the team is struggling to stay relevant. I just think a weak FA class is a bad time to start unloading money, because they will end up way overpaying these guys.

Joe
07-02-2012, 07:56 PM
Let's talk when Crosby is out, Malkin walks next year, when they have no defense, with Fluery the overrate goalie. You are right, you are a great hockey mind. If a guy looking for a 10-12 year contract is only looking at next year like you are, he better get an advisor.

Soooo, even with Crosby out for all but what? 20 games this year, they were 2nd best in the East? Oh dang.... Shucks. 100+ points.

As long as Pittsburgh has Malkin and Crosby, they will always be in the chase for the cup. When healthy, they are the two best players in the NHL (you can argue Al Ovechkin in there too). And what makes you think that Crosby isn't healthy? The Pens just gave him a new ridiculous contract. Do you know something they don't? Again, they are 24 and 25 too. They haven't even hit their prime. Throw Neal into that mix..... Wow. Is the Pen's defense really that bad? Or just average? Kris Letang, Brooks Orpik, and Paul Martin would be the best d-man on the Wild. Maybe even Niskanen???

The entire core is signed for two more years anyways.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=PIT

If the Wild spend 10+ million on someone like Suter and Parise, especially each, they are putting themselves in a worse salary cap situation than Pittsburgh down the line with FAR inferior players. You're not going to win championships when the best player on your team is Miko Koivu.

Joe
07-02-2012, 08:04 PM
I think they're just waiting for something to get behind. Even the inkling of the playoffs would bring them back. But I agree that the team is struggling to stay relevant. I just think a weak FA class is a bad time to start unloading money, because they will end up way overpaying these guys.

Does Michael Granlund make the Wild a playoff team? It's tough to say. If he can get 60+ points, they're going to be in the running. If not, with their current roster, it's not going to happen.

Maybe Croyle will surprise though too?

fatbeer
07-02-2012, 08:06 PM
Once Detroit focused on Sutter it came down to turning down a lot of money or coming to Minnesota. It will be a big mistake on the Wild's part paying him 10 million a year for the rest of his career, but it's looking like the Wild have this wrapped up, unless a team can move some salary.

fatbeer
07-02-2012, 08:11 PM
Brodin and Coyle are the key prospects to look at, if they both pan out the Wild are a contender in 2 years with or without Parise, if not they hover around the last playoff spot until an elite player (on top of Granlund) is added.

Joe
07-02-2012, 08:31 PM
Brodin and Coyle are the key prospects to look at, if they both pan out the Wild are a contender in 2 years with or without Parise, if not they hover around the last playoff spot until an elite player (on top of Granlund) is added.

They better trade for someone who can score then..... Or at least sign someone after next year who can! ****, that's ridiculously optimistic considering their current roster and Brodin being their only good D-prospect.

TheLeviathan
07-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Does Michael Granlund make the Wild a playoff team? It's tough to say. If he can get 60+ points, they're going to be in the running. If not, with their current roster, it's not going to happen.

Maybe Croyle will surprise though too?

I think Croyle is a candidate for sure. It's hard to say on Granlund...I worry about the reports that he has slow foot speed. I'm also a big believer in Scandella - I think he's going to be a top 4 defenseman in this league, but I admit I don't have much to go on with that.

This team should sniff the playoffs, but it still needs quite a bit more scoring help.

fatbeer
07-02-2012, 09:39 PM
Don't underestimate how much an extra play maker does for the goal scorers on the roster. If Koivu misses 15 games the first line still gets to play with Granlund, and he improves the 2nd line. It doesn't take the addition of a 30 goal scorer to add 30 goals if a few guys step up. Plus if Parise goes elsewhere I see the Wild adding someone who can put the puck in the net probably through a trade, there not going to be so bold on Parise only to sit on our prospects. Hackett Zucker and a 1st gets you very close to Nash, it will take more but losing those 3 pieces won't dissapoint the fans at all.

Joe
07-02-2012, 09:54 PM
Don't underestimate how much an extra play maker does for the goal scorers on the roster. If Koivu misses 15 games the first line still gets to play with Granlund, and he improves the 2nd line. It doesn't take the addition of a 30 goal scorer to add 30 goals if a few guys step up. Plus if Parise goes elsewhere I see the Wild adding someone who can put the puck in the net probably through a trade, there not going to be so bold on Parise only to sit on our prospects. Hackett Zucker and a 1st gets you very close to Nash, it will take more but losing those 3 pieces won't dissapoint the fans at all.

What?

And again, who will this play maker be setting up?



I think Croyle is a candidate for sure. It's hard to say on Granlund...I worry about the reports that he has slow foot speed. I'm also a big believer in Scandella - I think he's going to be a top 4 defenseman in this league, but I admit I don't have much to go on with that.

This team should sniff the playoffs, but it still needs quite a bit more scoring help.

Granlund is a top 3 prospect in the NHL. I'm fully convinced he's the real deal after watching him play in the latest international tourney. Coyle is moreso a 2nd liner. His numbers are a little inflated because of the play of another top 100 Wild talent - Zack Phillips. Either way, he tore up the Quebec Juniors!

fetch
07-02-2012, 10:10 PM
as a Wild hater I totally hope they sign Parise to a huge deal and mess up their cap

TheLeviathan
07-02-2012, 11:07 PM
Granlund is a top 3 prospect in the NHL. I'm fully convinced he's the real deal after watching him play in the latest international tourney. Coyle is moreso a 2nd liner. His numbers are a little inflated because of the play of another top 100 Wild talent - Zack Phillips. Either way, he tore up the Quebec Juniors!

The hype sounds awesome...I guess I'm just tempering my expectations. Maybe the Wild have crushed my inner-enthusiasm more than I thought the last ten years. I'm a big Phillips guy though, love his potential as a Brad Richards-type. Good skill comp ceiling ya think?

striker_86
07-02-2012, 11:18 PM
They have to make a splash though. For the record, I'm not really in favor of the Wild going all in with a ridiculous 10 year 12 million per contract either for Parise or Suter, but the Wild's fan base is absolutely waining. I believe they had a 30% of season ticket holders not renew this past year (I believe that was the %). If they don't win this year, hockey in Minnesota is going to take a backseat to Timberwolves basketball. That would be a disaster for ownership.

Yeah, the contract will be ridiculous. But you are right, this fan base is fading every year. They cant keep going into each year with the same old boring group of players with barely a shot at cracking the top 8. If they bring in Parise, at least there will be some serious excitement (like Rubio did for the Wolves last year).

fatbeer
07-03-2012, 05:19 AM
What?

And again, who will this play maker be setting up?




Granlund is a top 3 prospect in the NHL. I'm fully convinced he's the real deal after watching him play in the latest international tourney. Coyle is moreso a 2nd liner. His numbers are a little inflated because of the play of another top 100 Wild talent - Zack Phillips. Either way, he tore up the Quebec Juniors!

If not Heatley and Seteguchi your looking at Granlund playing with Bouchard and Cullen, or someone that comes in through a trade. If Granlund is as good as he's supposed to be his linemates will benifit big time no matter who they are. 25 goals from Cullen and lets say a combined 30 from Bouchard and Mitchell would be a huge upgrade and seems fairly reasonable.

Joe
07-03-2012, 06:20 AM
If not Heatley and Seteguchi your looking at Granlund playing with Bouchard and Cullen, or someone that comes in through a trade. If Granlund is as good as he's supposed to be his linemates will benifit big time no matter who they are. 25 goals from Cullen and lets say a combined 30 from Bouchard and Mitchell would be a huge upgrade and seems fairly reasonable.

Wow.... Matt Cullen scoring 25 goals? That sounds reasonable considering the amazing Miko Koivu propelled dany Heatley to 24 and Devin Setoguchi to 19. Without looking it up, I'm sure Cullen has hit the 25 goal mark maybe once or twice in his career.

The goals have to come, will come from, Heatley an Setoguchi. The question is, will they come in pre 2010 like bunches? If one goes 25+ and the other goes 30+, that should go a long way. If not, theyre in the same situation as last year - and what seems to be every year watching the Wild.

DJSim22
07-03-2012, 08:40 PM
Soooo, even with Crosby out for all but what? 20 games this year, they were 2nd best in the East? Oh dang.... Shucks. 100+ points.

As long as Pittsburgh has Malkin and Crosby, they will always be in the chase for the cup. When healthy, they are the two best players in the NHL (you can argue Al Ovechkin in there too). And what makes you think that Crosby isn't healthy? The Pens just gave him a new ridiculous contract. Do you know something they don't? Again, they are 24 and 25 too. They haven't even hit their prime. Throw Neal into that mix..... Wow. Is the Pen's defense really that bad? Or just average? Kris Letang, Brooks Orpik, and Paul Martin would be the best d-man on the Wild. Maybe even Niskanen???

The entire core is signed for two more years anyways.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=PIT

If the Wild spend 10+ million on someone like Suter and Parise, especially each, they are putting themselves in a worse salary cap situation than Pittsburgh down the line with FAR inferior players. You're not going to win championships when the best player on your team is Miko Koivu.

Again, its a 10+ year contract NOT ONE OR TWO YEARS! If Pittsburg gets Parise, good luck finding a way to sign Malkin next year. If they get Parise, they will likely trade Martin this year. Minnesota has a much more talented farm system, which be the guys who will be on the team when they are in a position to make a run.

Minnesota will get 6 million off the books next year with Backstrom alone. Cullen will be soon to follow with another 3.5 million. By the time the Wild make a major run, Hetley's 8 million might be off the books as well.

I don't even think Parise is the right fit for the Wild, but when someone talks as if they know hockey so well only to comes across as a dolt, I feel the need to laugh. Congrats if your Pens get Parise, I would rather have Malkin.

fatbeer
07-04-2012, 02:56 AM
According to Brian Lawton Ryan Suter will sign with the Wild which means about 95% chance of Parise as well

fatbeer
07-04-2012, 11:18 AM
We got em both!!!!!

FrodaddyG
07-04-2012, 11:37 AM
Quite the free agent coup for the Wild. Exciting day for the team and the fans.

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 11:55 AM
I wonder if there is anybody in the Twins front office watching and taking notes. This is how you excite a fanbase.

fatbeer
07-04-2012, 11:58 AM
Dave St Peter is counting down the days until the winter classic January 1 2014

IdahoPilgrim
07-04-2012, 12:17 PM
My guess - the Wild just sold out their building for the season.

Joe
07-04-2012, 01:10 PM
Again, its a 10+ year contract NOT ONE OR TWO YEARS! If Pittsburg gets Parise, good luck finding a way to sign Malkin next year. If they get Parise, they will likely trade Martin this year. Minnesota has a much more talented farm system, which be the guys who will be on the team when they are in a position to make a run.

Minnesota will get 6 million off the books next year with Backstrom alone. Cullen will be soon to follow with another 3.5 million. By the time the Wild make a major run, Hetley's 8 million might be off the books as well.

I don't even think Parise is the right fit for the Wild, but when someone talks as if they know hockey so well only to comes across as a dolt, I feel the need to laugh. Congrats if your Pens get Parise, I would rather have Malkin.


You think any of the Wild's prospects have a chance to be a Neal, Malkin, or Crosby? They do have an impressive crop of prospects, but they aren't NHL superstars. All three of those guys are. In the end, they didn't get Parise, so the point is moot. But again, the Penguins are going to be on top in the East as long as they have Malkin and Crosby. And I'd be willing to bet that they will make a run at the cup every year of Crosby's new contract. Time will tell. -I'm not a Penguins fan, and who the **** calls someone a dolt?



13 years 98 million for each player........ Wow. Anyone know how much the Wild get if they host a Winter Classic? Seems to be one of the bigger goals for Leipold.

Gernzy
07-04-2012, 01:51 PM
From what it sounds like we didn't even offer the most money. The biggest draws where the two of them playing together, and playing in Minnesota.
How often is playing in Minnesota a plus? Lets hope the Twins and others can get this type of street cred.

fatbeer
07-04-2012, 02:00 PM
They had bigger offers out for them as individuals but they took less to play together.

striker_86
07-04-2012, 09:13 PM
Fantastic Day for Wild Fans!

TheLeviathan
07-05-2012, 09:48 AM
So what does it shape-up like at this point? Along these lines I think:

Granlund-Koivu-Parise
Heatley-Cullen-Setoguchi
Bouchard-Brodziak-Clutterbuck
Zucker-Powe-Mitchell

Suter-Gilbert
Scandella-Spurgeon
Stoner-Falk

Not bad - when Croyle, Phillips, and Brodin especially get slotted in the near future this team has serious upside. Especially if they can go out and land a true number 2 center with the money coming off the books with Cullen and Bouchard.

fatbeer
07-05-2012, 11:56 AM
Granlund is a pure center, next to no chance Zucker makes the team out of camp he's behind at least Coyle among prospects plus a guy like Velliux or Dowell are going to have a good chance of making the roster because the last 2 guys will be healthy scratches half the time.

TheLeviathan
07-05-2012, 03:00 PM
Granlund may be a center long-term, but I'm expecting the Wild to pair him with Koivu most of this year.

Joe
07-05-2012, 03:08 PM
Granlund may be a center long-term, but I'm expecting the Wild to pair him with Koivu most of this year..

I wouldn't get your hopes up with that! Koivu is going to center Heatley and Parise/Setoguchi combo -more than likely just Parise. Like Fatbeer said, Granlund is a center. He'll get Setoguchi and Cullen/PMB.

TheLeviathan
07-05-2012, 04:30 PM
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I wouldn't get your hopes up with that! Koivu is going to center Heatley and Parise/Setoguchi combo -more than likely just Parise. Like Fatbeer said, Granlund is a center. He'll get Setoguchi and Cullen/PMB.

I thought I heard Granlund's face-off skills were weak? Some people were suggesting he'd play wing due to that. Can't seem to find where I read that though.

fatbeer
07-05-2012, 06:20 PM
If he can win 40% of face-offs nobody's going to worry to much about it. He'll probably be on the 1st PP along with Parise and Koivu and probably won't be on the PK, that eliminates most big face-offs.

fatbeer
07-05-2012, 06:23 PM
Plus if your looking at euro face-off stats don't be so sure they calculate it the same as we do. Wouldn't be suprised if the don't award a face-off win if the puck gets kicked around a little.

TheLeviathan
07-05-2012, 07:08 PM
Plus if your looking at euro face-off stats don't be so sure they calculate it the same as we do. Wouldn't be suprised if the don't award a face-off win if the puck gets kicked around a little.

I'm just passing along something I remember hearing when he signed a few months back. A couple hockey guys had said he may need to start at wing while he works on face-offs.

Jason
07-05-2012, 08:50 PM
I thought I heard Granlund's face-off skills were weak? Some people were suggesting he'd play wing due to that. Can't seem to find where I read that though.

Face-off rules are different in Europe, I'm pretty sure you can't use your skates or glove to win a faceoff. The NHL also is making a faceoff rule change for next year, which is good.

Rule 76.4: Both players facing-off are prohibited from batting the puck with their hand in an attempt to win the face-off. Any attempt by either center to win the face-off by batting the puck with their hand shall result in a minor penalty. This penalty shall be announced as a minor penalty for delay of game. Once the face-off is deemed complete, and the winner of the face-off is clear, hand passes shall be enforced as per Rule 79.

Joe
07-08-2012, 10:59 AM
http://fans.wild.nhl.com/community/topic/23634-granlund-signs-with-the-wild-but-what-can-we-really-expect-out-of-him/

There you go Leviathan. Probably everything you wanted to know about Granlund and more - from a Rube's perspective anyways.

TheLeviathan
07-08-2012, 01:19 PM
26 pages in that thread Joe...was there something in particular?

DJSim22
07-08-2012, 03:27 PM
So what does it shape-up like at this point? Along these lines I think:

Granlund-Koivu-Parise
Heatley-Cullen-Setoguchi
Bouchard-Brodziak-Clutterbuck
Zucker-Powe-Mitchell

Suter-Gilbert
Scandella-Spurgeon
Stoner-Falk

Not bad - when Croyle, Phillips, and Brodin especially get slotted in the near future this team has serious upside. Especially if they can go out and land a true number 2 center with the money coming off the books with Cullen and Bouchard.

I agree with your comments about upside and our dmen pairings. I think your lines are off though.

Heatley-Koivu-Parise
Cullen/Bouchard-Grandlund-Setoguchi
Cullen/Buchard-Brodziak-Clutterbuck
Veilleux-Powe-Mitchell

I wouldn't be shocked to see Mitchell push for 3rd line time as well. When we need some fighting or size Kassian or Konopka.

batista4goldglove
07-09-2012, 08:49 AM
Konopka wins almost 60% of his faceoffs and I believe the Wild signed him to skate a regular shift so I would think he will be centering the 4th line. Veilleux has a two way contract so he will probably be in Houston or the press box waiting for an injury.

Joe
07-09-2012, 08:21 PM
26 pages in that thread Joe...was there something in particular?


Nope. Kinda like the 8 page thread on BJ Hermsen when he got drafted - all Verve's starting.

TheLeviathan
07-10-2012, 12:01 PM
Nope. Kinda like the 8 page thread on BJ Hermsen when he got drafted - all Verve's starting.

Nice. I read over a chunk of it. I'm encouraged by the kid. It would help this team a lot if he could play center.

Though I'm a big fan of this team going after Getzlaf in 2013 if he hits the market. Or trade and resign him with the money we're shedding.

fatbeer
08-10-2012, 10:56 PM
10% chance the season starts on time. Good thing we have college hockey. LETS GO HUSKIES!!!