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Nick Nelson
06-29-2012, 05:57 PM
You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.php?736-Twins-Ink-Doumit-to-Two-Year-Extension

Dilligaf69
06-29-2012, 07:54 PM
I like it' he's cheap and only for 2 yrs. It's fair for his production and IF he can stay healthy this will be one of the Twins best moves in a while. Plus it might actually increase his trade value say next yrs trade deadline if the Twins fall out of it again. Teams will be very interested in a good switch hitting multi position player for a very fair price with another yr left on his deal or we keep him and still make out...WIN WIN for us againif he's healthy.

Brock Beauchamp
06-29-2012, 08:03 PM
Outside of Marquis (ugh) and Capps (more meh than anything), I like everything JR has done since the return.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
06-29-2012, 11:04 PM
It just struck me, but Doumit looks a lot like Kubel.

crapforks
06-29-2012, 11:21 PM
Doumit has no iris. It's all pupil. he clearly is a demon of some sort. We could use some dark forces on this team. All hail RD, the spawn of satan.

CDog
06-29-2012, 11:27 PM
It just struck me, but Doumit looks a lot like Kubel.

That JUST struck you?????

YourHouseIsMyHouse
06-29-2012, 11:32 PM
That JUST struck you?????

I'm slow. What can I say? For a second they fooled me into thinking they had the same number too, but Kubes was #16.


Doumit has no iris. It's all pupil. he clearly is a demon of some sort. We could use some dark forces on this team. All hail RD, the spawn of satan.

Hawk doesn't call us the "bad guys" for nothing...

James Richter
06-29-2012, 11:36 PM
Every position player on the 25-man roster is now under team control for 2013. I take this as a signal that the FO is going to make an effort not to field a dreadful team next season.

CDog
06-29-2012, 11:40 PM
Every position player on the 25-man roster is now under team control for 2013. I take this as a signal that the FO is going to make an effort not to field a dreadful team next season.

Well now that's interesting. Hadn't really thought of it until you pointed it out. It very well might mean what you say it might mean...but regardless if it means anything or not, it's interesting (to me).

minn55441
06-30-2012, 12:04 AM
Doumit is the perfect compliment to Joe Mauer. Add in the fact that he is a switch hitter and I love this signing. Now lets find some pitching.

Ultima Ratio
06-30-2012, 12:13 AM
Kubel is a better hitter, but Doumit's 'ability' to catch makes this a good deal to use him as a DH mostly. Though, this does mean that Butera is also a lock on the 25 man for the next two years, but if he continues to play like he has this year, I can stomach it while still disagreeing with the 3 catcher model.

jorgenswest
06-30-2012, 12:32 AM
Doumit is a good addition if they see him as a role player, third catcher and pinch hitter. They also should have offered this deal knowing they are likely seeing his peak performance as a Twin.

If they see him as an every day player or DH, he will block any future solution. His spot on the team makes it very difficult to give Parmelee any playing time. Maybe they have assessed that Parmelee has little value for the future.

glunn
06-30-2012, 02:03 AM
His spot on the team makes it very difficult to give Parmelee any playing time. Maybe they have assessed that Parmelee has little value for the future.

I don't understand why Parmelee is not at AAA getting at bats.

PseudoSABR
06-30-2012, 02:21 AM
I don't understand why Parmelee is not at AAA getting at bats.
Riiiiiiiight.

DPJ
06-30-2012, 06:19 AM
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-30-2012, 08:15 AM
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.
I could understand this statement if the deal was 3 years/18 million or something like that, but its pretty hard to find anything to hate about a 2/7 deal.

Fire Dan Gladden
06-30-2012, 08:37 AM
Outside of Marquis (ugh) and Capps (more meh than anything), I like everything JR has done since the return.

I wouldn't let that opinion out on this site, you might not make it through the day...

Fire Dan Gladden
06-30-2012, 08:41 AM
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.

Sure, I mean really: All of these at-bats should be going to Butera. What were the Twins thinking in locking up a flexible backup catcher that can hit for little money. Seriously!!!

DPJ
06-30-2012, 09:05 AM
Sure, I mean really: All of these at-bats should be going to Butera. What were the Twins thinking in locking up a flexible backup catcher that can hit for little money. Seriously!!!

Cause Son of Sal getting at-bats is what's gonna get this team back to being good again. Doumit isn't gonna make or break the future of this team so I don't understand why you sign a defensivly challenged catch/DH.

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 09:06 AM
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!

Why the hell are they giving multi year deals to injury-prone backup catchers? He's played well this season but that doesn't change he's a 31 year old defensively challenged injurty prone backup C/DH that the Twins felt they needed to lock.

They could have moved him at the deadline or hell even keep him and figure out something in the off season, but there's not point to this extention. This is a move that stupid teams do.

You'd rather see Butera out there? This is exactly what the Twins should be doing. Filling the roster with complementary players around Mauer & Co while still letting the young guys play. The Twins have a lot of free money this offseason to build a respectable pitching staff. Their bullpen looks good. The offense is decent. All they really need is starting pitching (admittedly the hardest thing to find).

This was a great move by JR. Sign Doumit now and keep him through 2014 or trade him at the deadline. We complained that Smith sat on his hands last deadline. JR is doing the opposite and I welcome the change.

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 09:15 AM
Cause Son of Sal getting at-bats is what's gonna get this team back to being good again. Doumit isn't gonna make or break the future of this team so I don't understand why you sign a defensivly challenged catch/DH.

I think this is proof that JR believes the team will be ready to roll in either 2013 or 2014. It also makes sense given the latest draft. Keeping Doumit doesn't mean they can't go find a starting pitcher for Span. Denard, as beneficial as he is to the team, is somewhat redundant with Revere playing as well as he is.

If this team keeps Liriano, finds a starter in trade for Span, Gibson pitches well and is ready for Minnesota next season, and then they dedicate $15m or so to a starting pitcher, the Twins could easily compete in the Central next season.

It's a risk to try to rebuild this quickly but with Mauer in the middle of his prime, I can't fault JR for thinking that it can be done.

snepp
06-30-2012, 09:56 AM
If Gardy is going to continue his irrational fear of "losing the DH" when both Mauer and Doumit play, they're still going to have to find an acceptable major league backup catcher.

Thoughts of another two years of Butera make me nauseous.

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 10:00 AM
If Gardy is going to continue his irrational fear of "losing the DH" when both Mauer and Doumit play, they're still going to have to find an acceptable major league backup catcher.

I'm hoping that JR has the guts to just take Butera away from Gardy at some point.

Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks but instead, he's become a "Gardy guy", probably based on his inability to do anything while standing at the plate.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-30-2012, 10:05 AM
I'm hoping that JR has the guts to just take Butera away from Gardy at some point.

Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks but instead, he's become a "Gardy guy", probably based on his inability to do anything while standing at the plate.
To be fair though, Butera only started 5 games this month and that is most likely because Doumit was banged up and unavailable for 4 games or so. Also Mauer has had a few injuries this year as well that have kept him out for 3-4 days. If Mauer and Doumit were consistently healthy I doubt we would roster 3 catchers at this point.

Also, Butera's batting line .241/.305/.333 is actually close to acceptable for a back up catcher (though I think that is more SSS than anything else) but it's not like Butera has been killing this team, and for whatever reason he seems to have found a niche with Liriano (I'm not a huge believer in personal catchers, but Liriano is such a head case at times I am willling to do anything to keep him effective on the mound)

Ideally down the road you find a replacement for Butera, but at this point it's not exactly like the Twins have any better options, nor is he clogging up a bench spot when you already have Parmelee wasting away on the bench and a masher like Mastrionni.

snepp
06-30-2012, 10:06 AM
Butera would be acceptable (still terrible, but acceptable) as a third catcher if Gardy only ran him out there once every two weeks

The role on the side of that milk carton is currently occupied by a prospect with a little bit of real potential.

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 10:46 AM
I wouldn't let that opinion out on this site, you might not make it through the day...

I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-30-2012, 10:57 AM
I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.

Not to make excuses for the rotation, but heading into the off-season Ryan didn't exactly have a ton of money to play with. Also Baker, Pavano and Blackburn have all been effected quite a bit due to injury and they were counting on a rebound season from Liriano. I would have preffered an Eric Bedard over a Marquis, but let's not pretend the Twins would be in any better shape if they had done that. With Baker lost for the season, Liriano playig awful the first 10 starts and Pavano being hurt the whole year as well the Twins didn't stand much of a shot. You can't take away many teams 1-2-3 and expect them to have a good staff.

Capps has been solid before the injury, everyone hates Capps because of the Ramos trade but in reality Capps is a solid but not great closer. If he was healthy 5 mil or so would be fair market value.

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 11:00 AM
Not to make excuses for the rotation, but heading into the off-season Ryan didn't exactly have a ton of money to play with. Also Baker, Pavano and Blackburn have all been effected quite a bit due to injury and they were counting on a rebound season from Liriano. I would have preffered an Eric Bedard over a Marquis, but let's not pretend the Twins would be in any better shape if they had done that. With Baker lost for the season, Liriano playig awful the first 10 starts and Pavano being hurt the whole year as well the Twins didn't stand much of a shot. You can't take away many teams 1-2-3 and expect them to have a good staff.

Capps has been solid before the injury, everyone hates Capps because of the Ramos trade but in reality Capps is a solid but not great closer. If he was healthy 5 mil or so would be fair market value.

I only say Capps is iffy because I would rather have the pick and then pick up another "closer" on the FA market for the same money. I thought that would have been the smart move. Capps has performed adequately in the role when healthy.

The Twins have surely been bitten by the injury bug in the rotation (again) but there was no reason to think Marquis could hack it in the AL. He's a below average AL starter at best. Given the rotation's problems, it has been a worst case scenario for JR but he easily could have done better this offseason and he didn't. But, like you said, he didn't have a ton of money to play with, either.

SeanS7921
06-30-2012, 11:29 AM
Why is Joe Mauer's health still in question? He hasn't been on DL this year. He is playing catcher, DH and 1B well and has monster stats (minus HRs). But no, his health is in question...

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 11:39 AM
Why is Joe Mauer's health still in question? He hasn't been on DL this year. He is playing catcher, DH and 1B well and has monster stats (minus HRs). But no, his health is in question...

Until recently (haven't looked in a week or two), he was still putting the ball on the ground waaaaaaaaay above his career norm, which was already somewhat high. That's a sign that he still isn't right and may never be right again.

But right now, he looks pretty healthy.

mike wants wins
06-30-2012, 11:52 AM
Doesn't matter if they don't buy pitching before next year. Everything else is nibbling at the edges of mediocrity.

crapforks
06-30-2012, 01:22 PM
Upset at the Doumit signing?!?! My word! It's like the argument is, "I put a waaaaayyyyy better team together on my ps3!"

Riverbrian
06-30-2012, 01:36 PM
Extremely reasonable contract. Of Course that's easy for me to say... I've never spent $100,000 on anything.

So for 2014... Currently -- Mauer, Willingham, Span and Doumit are under contract barring a trade or release.

jimbo92107
06-30-2012, 02:17 PM
Doumit is the closest thing I've seen to Mike Redmond in a Twins uniform. Not quite the average, but a bit more power.

Shane Wahl
06-30-2012, 03:46 PM
This signing tells me that Doumit really likes it in Minnesota. It isn't unreasonable to think that he may have gotten a 2/$10 million or even 3/$12 million deal in the offseason from somebody else. I really like this signing. I didn't look at the details . . . is it $3.5/$3.5?

Scheherezade
06-30-2012, 04:26 PM
I didn't look at the details . . . is it $3.5/$3.5?

Yup. He looked pretty cheerful when talking about the extension.

DPJ
06-30-2012, 04:32 PM
You'd rather see Butera out there? This is exactly what the Twins should be doing. Filling the roster with complementary players around Mauer & Co while still letting the young guys play. The Twins have a lot of free money this offseason to build a respectable pitching staff. Their bullpen looks good. The offense is decent. All they really need is starting pitching (admittedly the hardest thing to find).




Please for the love of **** will people stop like the only two options for a backup catcher are Butera or giving Doumit stupid money. The Twins lack of building a roster and for some unknown reason thinking Drew needs to be on the 25 man roster doesn't excuse a stupid and bonehead signing by the Twins front office.

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 06:21 PM
Please for the love of **** will people stop like the only two options for a backup catcher are Butera or giving Doumit stupid money. The Twins lack of building a roster and for some unknown reason thinking Drew needs to be on the 25 man roster doesn't excuse a stupid and bonehead signing by the Twins front office.

Since when is $3.5m for a backup catcher who can hit "stupid money"? Since when is $3.5m for any player that doesn't suck "stupid money"?

jorgenswest
06-30-2012, 06:43 PM
It is hard to separate the player from the Twins priorities in building a roster.

Doumit is an asset to the Twins. He will likely return the value. He is a valuable hitter on the bench and relative to other catchers.

The Twins will have a budget line for next year. We can argue that it should be increased. Assuming that it will be close to this year's line, they just spent 3.5 million on their back up catcher/ role player. I think some would argue that they should allocate the majority of their available resources into pitching as the top priority. Why not spend less for this spot on the roster and free up 2.5 million for pitching?

Brock Beauchamp
06-30-2012, 06:46 PM
It is hard to separate the player from the Twins priorities in building a roster.

Doumit is an asset to the Twins. He will likely return the value. He is a valuable hitter on the bench and relative to other catchers.

The Twins will have a budget line for next year. We can argue that it should be increased. Assuming that it will be close to this year's line, they just spent 3.5 million on their back up catcher/ role player. I think some would argue that they should allocate the majority of their available resources into pitching as the top priority. Why not spend less for this spot on the roster and free up 2.5 million for pitching?

Because Doumit likes it here, he's productive, he's versatile, and $2.5m doesn't get you squat in starting pitching.

The Twins will still have plenty of money to chase a good starting pitcher should they wish to do so. After the Doumit signing, they have every position on the field locked up next season. They can literally commit every last dime of money this offseason to pitching. Doumit is not stopping them from doing anything.

Even their bullpen is in pretty good shape for next season. They could even skip picking up anyone there as well.

Fire Dan Gladden
06-30-2012, 08:55 PM
I think most of the rational posters around here think JR has done a pretty good job with the ML roster on this team. The huge, mammoth, gigantic exception being the rotation, which he didn't address in a meaningful way at all last offseason.

But the bullpen and lineup? You'd have to be more than a little delusional to think JR has done a bad job there. Capps was iffy but Burton has been golden. Doumit has met expectations. Willingham has grossly exceeded them. Carroll is somewhat unimpressive but most of us knew that going in.

That was my point. The problem is that most of the posters here are not rational. I don't think anybody they signed as a FA this year (outside of Marquis) has underperformed.

The Twins took the stance that last year was essentially a mulligan. The replaced or filled their position players as needed and otherwise counted on all of their injuries to heal up. The lineup has essentially done that. They took the same stance with the rotation, but did not have the same luck. The Zumaya, Baker, and Wimmers injuries were killer. Not having Gibson hasn't helped. Factor in Liriano and Blackburn underperforming, along with Marquis thinking he was playing slow pitch softball, the rotation was unable to recover.

Everybody who thinks the Twins are going to be super active at the trade deadline are delusional. They are not typically active as sellers, and I do not see that changing this year. They also are not going to go out and spend big money on a FA starter. They already have too much locked up into M&M, they will not destroy any flexability by siging a $15-18m pitcher long term.

jorgenswest
06-30-2012, 09:05 PM
I apparently wasn't clear enough.

I am not suggesting that the 2.5 million would be used alone to buy a pitcher. I am saying that I would not spend any other money on offense since as you pointed out all of the positions are locked up.

I would also suggest that the Twins stop looking for decline phase players who will take a 3-5 million dollar deal. Take three of those players like Carroll, Doumit and Marquis and instead spend it on one larger contract and two near minimum contracts.

Why not after an Edwin Jackson first and see what you have left? Instead they sign Doumit and Carroll first and then are stuck with 3-5 million which got them Marquis and Zumaya. It is no different now. Their first priority for 2013 was a role player. That money is gone. My assumption is the budget will not change much. Is there anything that they have said otherwise?

Maybe their assumption is any contract 3-5 million must be a good one. The sign Blackburn and Span to long term deals in that range to avoid arbitration. Span worked out. Blackburn didn't. They gave that level of contract to Carroll, Doumit, Nishioka and Marquis. Is the total worth the sum of the parts?

I think the philosophy needs to change.

John Bonnes
06-30-2012, 10:41 PM
Here's the thing: Doumit isn't a backup catcher. He's a starting DH who can backup at catcher. The Twins could absolutely have gotten another backup catcher at $1M, but he isn't nearly as productive as Doumit.

Turns out, the Twins have a guy just like that who they're on the hook for big money for the next few years. They compliment each other perfectly. The other option is going out and buying a backup catcher for a couple of million dollard less, except:
- his offensive production likely won't come close to Doumits
- it'll put pressure on the Twins to have Mauer start more behind the plate, which risks his production going down and further injury AND
- you still have to sign a DH, which isn't an issue next year because of Morneau and Parmelee, but could be the year after.

When they signed Doumit in the offseason, I didn't like it. (http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2011/11/doumit-gamble.html) I felt they were better served getting a cheaper platoon partner for Joe because I didn't trust Doumit to keep Butera out of the lineup. But I'm wrong. The Twins catching tandem is top five in the league offensively, even with Butera getting some at-bats. Continuing that for the next two years for $7M is a bargain. And I think it still leave them plenty of money to spend on pitching. I don't think they will, but they still could.

jorgenswest
06-30-2012, 11:34 PM
Are you saying that Doumit projects as a league average or better DH for the duration of the contract?

Ultima Ratio
06-30-2012, 11:42 PM
I think it's clear that the Twins will not be using the DH more and more as a 'day off' -- an unconventional use of the DH for sure and without much evidence to support this use of the DH.

East Coast Twin
07-01-2012, 09:52 AM
And I think it still leave them plenty of money to spend on pitching. I don't think they will, but they still could.

You don't think they will pursue starting pitching in the offseason?

Shane Wahl
07-01-2012, 10:07 AM
Here's the thing: Doumit isn't a backup catcher. He's a starting DH who can backup at catcher. The Twins could absolutely have gotten another backup catcher at $1M, but he isn't nearly as productive as Doumit.

Turns out, the Twins have a guy just like that who they're on the hook for big money for the next few years. They compliment each other perfectly. The other option is going out and buying a backup catcher for a couple of million dollard less, except:
- his offensive production likely won't come close to Doumits
- it'll put pressure on the Twins to have Mauer start more behind the plate, which risks his production going down and further injury AND
- you still have to sign a DH, which isn't an issue next year because of Morneau and Parmelee, but could be the year after.

When they signed Doumit in the offseason, I didn't like it. (http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2011/11/doumit-gamble.html) I felt they were better served getting a cheaper platoon partner for Joe because I didn't trust Doumit to keep Butera out of the lineup. But I'm wrong. The Twins catching tandem is top five in the league offensively, even with Butera getting some at-bats. Continuing that for the next two years for $7M is a bargain. And I think it still leave them plenty of money to spend on pitching. I don't think they will, but they still could.

Great post. This is exactly correct. With regard to your last paragraph . . . Rod Barajas (in your blueprint . . . ) hasn't been too terrible either (though certainly on the decline) and at $2 million that wouldn't have been a bad outcome. Yet somehow he got $4 million . . . and probably no real future beyond this year.

Also, add Chris Herrmann instead of Drew Butera and the situation only gets better.

Shane Wahl
07-01-2012, 10:09 AM
You don't think they will pursue starting pitching in the offseason?

I think he is referring to "spending plenty" not simply pursuing starting pitching. I hope he is wrong. $20 million would be plenty enough.

John Bonnes
07-01-2012, 11:23 AM
Are you saying that Doumit projects as a league average or better DH for the duration of the contract?

The average OPS of a DH right this year in the AL is 774. That's almost exactly Doumit's career average. So, yeah, he's about a league average DH.

But that isn't really my point. My point is that he ISN'T a backup catcher. Backup catchers don't get 500 plate appearances and don't start when the starting catcher is in the lineup and don't have a career OPS of 775. He's an EVERYDAY guy, and just because a good fraction of those days happen to be behind the plate doesn't mean his value is limited to the market of a backup catcher. He really is being used as a DH, only with the very real added benefit of being able to keep Mauer healthy and productive.

I'll say it again: I'm surprised he signed this deal. He was 3 months away from hitting the trade market as a switch-hitting catcher with a 775 OPS (in the AL) who finally stayed healthy. I don't think that necessarily means a multi-year deal, but it might have meant a 1-year deal for $4-$6M where he could prove he could do it a second year in a row and get that multi-year deal.

Here's another way to look at it: he's a slightly older Kubel, except he can catch quite a bit but looks lost in the OF. Kubel signed for 3/$20M. That's not a perfect comparison, but it's hard to see why one is worth $7M+ per year and one is worth $3.5M+. I'll take the latter.

John Bonnes
07-01-2012, 11:26 AM
You don't think they will pursue starting pitching in the offseason?

I don't think they're going to go after any of the premier starting pitchers on the market. They might go after than next level, since there's kind of a glut, but that's where I think have Terry Ryan as a GM works against them. Bill Smith did a nice job of gaming the free agent market. Ryan is too risk adverse. He won't wait for someone to fall to him.

Brock Beauchamp
07-01-2012, 11:32 AM
I'll say it again: I'm surprised he signed this deal. He was 3 months away from hitting the trade market as a switch-hitting catcher with a 775 OPS (in the AL) who finally stayed healthy. I don't think that necessarily means a multi-year deal, but it might have meant a 1-year deal for $4-$6M where he could prove he could do it a second year in a row and get that multi-year deal.

I was also shocked at this deal. If Doumit is healthy, I thought he'd be more along the lines of a 3/$18m guy. When the extension talk started, I expected something like 2/$12m, maybe 2/$10m.

2/$7m is a steal.

This deal reaffirms my belief that JR returning as GM was a great move for the franchise. He replaced Cuddyer with a younger version for 60% of the cost. He nabbed Doumit for less than 75% of what I thought he was worth on the open market. JR needs to stick around for a little longer.

East Coast Twin
07-02-2012, 11:02 AM
I don't think they're going to go after any of the premier starting pitchers on the market. They might go after than next level, since there's kind of a glut, but that's where I think have Terry Ryan as a GM works against them. Bill Smith did a nice job of gaming the free agent market. Ryan is too risk adverse. He won't wait for someone to fall to him.

Okay. Thanks.

East Coast Twin
07-02-2012, 11:18 AM
I think he is referring to "spending plenty" not simply pursuing starting pitching. I hope he is wrong. $20 million would be plenty enough.

Plus another $22M is freed up after 2013 when Morneau, Nishioka and Blackburn's contracts end. I would think the Twins are in a position after this season to offer a multi-year deal.