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Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 03:33 PM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?714-White-Sox-vs-Twins-06-26-2012-7-10pm

PMKI
06-26-2012, 03:42 PM
Doumit playing DH and Parmelee not playing? WOW!

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 03:49 PM
Now, this lineup should produce runs and is easily their best lineup against a RHP. Watch, we'll struggle to score 2 runs tonight thought -- just been that sort of season. Of course, I hope not.

Mr. Ed
06-26-2012, 03:56 PM
Doumit playing DH and Parmelee not playing? WOW!

Parmelee is on this team? Really? 4 at bats in nearly 2 weeks.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 04:01 PM
White Sox:
De Aza CF
Youkilis 3B
Dunn DH
Konerko 1B
Rios RF
Pierzynski C
Viciedo LF
Ramirez SS
Beckham 2B
(Floyd P)

Twins:
Span CF
Revere RF
Mauer C
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Plouffe 3B
Doumit DH
Casilla 2B
Carroll SS
(Hendriks P)

stringer bell
06-26-2012, 04:03 PM
If the Twins want to win this series, they had better win tonight. The Sale-Blackburn matchup isn't very appealing for the Twins tomorrow afternoon. The Twins have owned Floyd for awhile now, so I hope that continues. Hendriks needs to start producing and getting his first victory might take some pressure off.

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 04:04 PM
I've been thinking that Doumit batting 7th is the best spot for him. The last 'slugger' before our two light hitting middle IF guys -- and he clogs up the base paths. Gives him 'permission' to swing away, hard.

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 04:05 PM
If the Twins want to win this series, they had better win tonight. The Sale-Blackburn matchup isn't very appealing for the Twins tomorrow afternoon. The Twins have owned Floyd for awhile now, so I hope that continues. Hendriks needs to start producing and getting his first victory might take some pressure off.
Agree. Tomorrow is much more ominous. A Hendricks win begins with 1st pitch strikes at better than 50%. This is the key stat to victory I'll be watching for tonight.

snepp
06-26-2012, 04:05 PM
Against a pitcher like Sale would be the perfect time to yank Morneausie in favor of any right-handed hitting warm body.


*cough* Valenshia *cough*

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 04:07 PM
Against a pitcher like Sale would be the perfect time to yank Morneausie in favor of any right-handed hitting warm body.


*cough* Valenshia *cough*
That cough is contagious, spreading thread to thread quickly.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 04:07 PM
Agree. Tomorrow is much more ominous. A Hendricks win begins with 1st pitch strikes at better than 50%. This is the key stat to victory I'll be watching for tonight.

Like most of the Twins rotation, Hendriks can't miss bats... And if guys who can't miss bats aren't throwing first-pitch strikes, it's pretty much a guaranteed loss.

snepp
06-26-2012, 04:31 PM
Credit to some other guy on some other forum, no guarantees as to accuracy.


Joe Mauer's last 15 plate appearances against tonight's White Sox starter Gavin Floyd have played out as follows:

Single
Intentional Walk
Intentional Walk
Double
Single
Homerun
Single
Intentional Walk
Homerun
Double
Single
Hit by pitch
Single
Walk
Intentional Walk

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-26-2012, 04:36 PM
Credit to some other guy on some other forum, no guarantees as to accuracy.


Joe Mauer's last 15 plate appearances against tonight's White Sox starter Gavin Floyd have played out as follows:

Single
Intentional Walk
Intentional Walk
Double
Single
Homerun
Single
Intentional Walk
Homerun
Double
Single
Hit by pitch
Single
Walk
Intentional Walk

so...your saying he is due for an 0-4, 2 GDP 2k's?

snepp
06-26-2012, 04:38 PM
so...your saying he is due for an 0-4, 2 GDP 2k's?

Pretty much.

Mauerzy4Prez
06-26-2012, 04:48 PM
so...your saying he is due for an 0-4, 2 GDP 2k's?

I was thinking more like 4 intentional walks... With the last 15 AB's looking like that why even let Floyd pitch to baby Jesus?!

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 05:26 PM
floyd will be lucky to make the 4th inning
if the wind is blowing out at all he'll give up 4 homers

Chance
06-26-2012, 05:33 PM
so...your saying he is due for an 0-4, 2 GDP 2k's?

Thats kind of my logic when looking at tomorrows matchup with Sale. Everyone needs to implode from time to time. Dickeys last start. I think we will get to Sale but will Blackburn do enough to hold of the Soxs?

jokin
06-26-2012, 05:38 PM
Thats kind of my logic when looking at tomorrows matchup with Sale. Everyone needs to implode from time to time. Dickeys last start. I think we will get to Sale but will Blackburn do enough to hold of the Soxs?


Going out on a limb here, but I'm thinking your glass is always half-full, sorry but this one is a No-Sale, unless there's no Sale pitching. Blackie's luck is due to run out sooner than Sale's is.

Chance
06-26-2012, 05:41 PM
There should be a roster move today sending down mastroanni or parmelee and calling up ramirez or Valencia..... Or both! Mastro is useless right now and parmelee needs the regular at bats. This way our lineup could be...

Span-CF
Carroll-2B
Mauer-1B
Willingham-LF
plouffe-3B
doumit-C
Valencia-DH
ramirez-RF
dozier-SS

Crazy I know but that would help a little bit against a top lefty...

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 05:54 PM
Only 4 of those previous 15 AB resulted in more than one base, so why would they IBB Mauer? Most likely only gets a single.

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 05:56 PM
There should be a roster move today sending down mastroanni or parmelee and calling up ramirez or Valencia..... Or both! Mastro is useless right now and parmelee needs the regular at bats. This way our lineup could be...

Span-CF
Carroll-2B
Mauer-1B
Willingham-LF
plouffe-3B
doumit-C
Valencia-DH
ramirez-RF
dozier-SS

Crazy I know but that would help a little bit against a top lefty...

You're going to take Revere out of the lineup with the way he's been playing? No no no....

jokin
06-26-2012, 06:00 PM
Only 4 of those previous 15 AB resulted in more than one base, so why would they IBB Mauer? Most likely only gets a single.

I don't know, you should ask Ozzie. I'll take a stab at it, because a single w/ RISP results in one or two runs scored?

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 06:03 PM
I don't know, you should ask Ozzie. I'll take a stab at it, because a single w/ RISP results in one or two runs scored?

I almost included that thinking that someone wouldn't see that I was speaking strictly of ABs as such, without the variables of runners on and outs. Sure, runner on second and 2 outs, pitch around Mauer and walk him if you must. Duh.

Thrylos
06-26-2012, 06:05 PM
There should be a roster move today sending down mastroanni or parmelee and calling up ramirez or Valencia..... Or both! Mastro is useless right now and parmelee needs the regular at bats. This way our lineup could be...

Span-CF
Carroll-2B
Mauer-1B
Willingham-LF
plouffe-3B
doumit-C
Valencia-DH
ramirez-RF
dozier-SS

Crazy I know but that would help a little bit against a top lefty...

Ramirez is stinking up the place at AAA in the pace of .245/.265/.388 Danny V has been better recently but still his totals are .241/.281/.389. If they need a RH bat, Matt Carson should probably be it, leading AAA with .278/.355/.427 Still not sure whether that is an improvement over Mastroianni, esp. defensively and on the bases. I would like to see Danny V up with the team. I suspect that there will be personnel changes within the next month or so and lots of people would get their opportunities.

jokin
06-26-2012, 06:10 PM
I almost included that thinking that someone wouldn't see that I was speaking strictly of ABs as such, without the variables of runners on and outs. Sure, runner on second and 2 outs, pitch around Mauer and walk him if you must. Duh.

Sorry for the appearances of snark, but I somehow think today the snark level at TD is rising faster than the Mississippi.

TheLeviathan
06-26-2012, 06:12 PM
Ramirez is stinking up the place at AAA in the pace of .245/.265/.388 Danny V has been better recently but still his totals are .241/.281/.389. If they need a RH bat, Matt Carson should probably be it, leading AAA with .278/.355/.427 Still not sure whether that is an improvement over Mastroianni, esp. defensively and on the bases. I would like to see Danny V up with the team. I suspect that there will be personnel changes within the next month or so and lots of people would get their opportunities.







I heartily endorse this idea. Mostly because I already name-dropped Carson earlier. He's swinging a good bat in AAA, is right-handed, and can't possibly be more irritating than Danny V. Send Parms down and call the kid up.

Also, are we sure Carson is an actual person and not just an attempt by Rene Tosoni to repackage himself?

DPJ
06-26-2012, 06:26 PM
I would bet the over for this game.

Thrylos
06-26-2012, 06:27 PM
I heartily endorse this idea. Mostly because I already name-dropped Carson earlier. He's swinging a good bat in AAA, is right-handed, and can't possibly be more irritating than Danny V. Send Parms down and call the kid up.

Also, are we sure Carson is an actual person and not just an attempt by Rene Tosoni to repackage himself?

He is an actual person but not a "kid" (well, he is a "kid" compared to some of us, but at least not) in baseball terms. He will be 31 soon. And no. He is not Tosoni. He has hair

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 06:36 PM
Wow, the entire Chicken Little crew is out tonight, I'm keeping my glass topped up just for, say, fun.

jokin
06-26-2012, 06:42 PM
I would bet the over for this game.


First team to 9, wins.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 07:14 PM
Strikes, Liam. Throw 'em. They're your friend.

glunn
06-26-2012, 07:17 PM
Parmelee is on this team? Really? 4 at bats in nearly 2 weeks.

I wish that Parmelee was at Rochester getting at bats instead of rotting on the Twins bench.

glunn
06-26-2012, 07:18 PM
You're going to take Revere out of the lineup with the way he's been playing? No no no....

I agree -- Revere is red hot and it seems dumb to not play him unless he is injured.

glunn
06-26-2012, 07:21 PM
Wow, the entire Chicken Little crew is out tonight, I'm keeping my glass topped up just for, say, fun.

Good one, my northerly friend. But you and I are also here to add some positive energy!

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 07:21 PM
I wish that Parmelee was at Rochester getting at bats instead of rotting on the Twins bench.

I concur, or at the very least let him play a few games - it's not as if Morneau can hit off of lefties this year. Parmelee, in his brief stint up here, hit lefties decently.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 07:23 PM
There we go. Way to get the party started, Denard.

glunn
06-26-2012, 07:24 PM
Way to go Span. Let's bat around this inning and make the Sox start wearing down their bullpen some more!

glunn
06-26-2012, 07:25 PM
Hooray, Revere IS in the lineup tonight, at least per gamecast (I am following this at work).

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 07:29 PM
Well, damn it.

Badsmerf
06-26-2012, 07:32 PM
I'm really hoping for a solid start by Liam tonight. I want this guy to succeed.

Badsmerf
06-26-2012, 07:33 PM
Willingham looked like an ogre chasing a little rabbit there.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 07:33 PM
Nice little stroll to the ball Josh.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 07:35 PM
Nice control and mix by Hendriks that inning.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 07:35 PM
Willingham looked like an ogre chasing a little rabbit there.

I think he was expecting it to carom back into the field, and it didn't. It hit the back wall and died.

glunn
06-26-2012, 07:37 PM
I'm really hoping for a solid start by Liam tonight. I want this guy to succeed.

So far he seems to be doing pretty well. I share your hope for his success.

GCTF
06-26-2012, 07:40 PM
Bremergasm.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 07:43 PM
Were you watching, Ben? That's how you advance on a wild pitch.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 07:46 PM
Bremergasm.

Dick's had a fifth already.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 07:50 PM
Bert sharing child abuse stories, charming

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 07:54 PM
Dick's had a fifth already.

So you're sayin' he can't keep up with Bert?

GCTF
06-26-2012, 07:55 PM
Bert sharing child abuse stories, charming

Missed that. Did he have a creepy-type uncle?

snepp
06-26-2012, 07:56 PM
So you're sayin' he can't keep up with Bert?

I think Bert is perma-sloshed.

GCTF
06-26-2012, 07:57 PM
Umpire pee break.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 07:57 PM
So you're sayin' he can't keep up with Bert?

Can anyone?

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 07:59 PM
Missed that. Did he have a creepy-type uncle?

Other way around, except grandfather.

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:02 PM
Can anyone?

Good point.

glunn
06-26-2012, 08:05 PM
We need RUNS. Someone needs to bring Revere home.

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:06 PM
Joe Mauer...RBI guy.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:08 PM
Mauer is coming up big today against Floyd. Goes to show how past performances don't really mean much in baseball.

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 08:10 PM
What was that prediction on Mauer again?

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 08:10 PM
who is this imposter with floyd across his back?

Jocko87
06-26-2012, 08:11 PM
It doesn't help that Everitt has a buffet to catch.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Did Adam Dunn just hit the ball?

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:13 PM
Sabermetric lesson includes QS, OPS, and WHIP. Cutting edge Fox Sports North!

snepp
06-26-2012, 08:13 PM
WHIP and quality starts, "sabermetric" measures. God bless them, at least they're trying, even if it is a decade too late.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Sabermetric lesson includes QS, OPS, and WHIP. Cutting edge Fox Sports North!

Did they really refer to QS as a SABR stat?

I'm so glad I avoid listening to those two talk about baseball.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Why Liam, why?!

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Sabermetric lesson includes QS, OPS, and WHIP. Cutting edge Fox Sports North!

What was wrong with that? There are many casual viewers, who don't post on Twins message boards, who haven't been exposed to SABRmetrics yet.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:16 PM
Sonuva... I talk to my girlfriend for two minutes and all hell breaks loose.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:17 PM
What was wrong with that? There are many casual viewers, who don't post on Twins message boards, who haven't been exposed to SABRmetrics yet.

It might have something to do with SABR people laughing at the Quality Start stat in all its uselessness.

Chance
06-26-2012, 08:17 PM
To bad.... We should at the very least be tied.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:18 PM
Did they really refer to QS as a SABR stat?

I'm so glad I avoid listening to those two talk about baseball.To his credit, Bert just asked what WAR was....

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 08:19 PM
What was wrong with that? There are many casual viewers, who don't post on Twins message boards, who haven't been exposed to SABRmetrics yet.

Quality starts and WHIP aren't exactly looked at as SABR categories. It's not that they are covering SABR

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:21 PM
Quality starts and WHIP aren't exactly looked at as SABR categories. It's not that they are covering SABR

WHIP is borderline. Quality Start isn't used by anyone in the SABR community.

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 08:22 PM
To his credit, Bert just asked what WAR was....
it's good for absolutely nuttin

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
Quality starts and WHIP aren't exactly looked at as SABR categories. It's not that they are covering SABR

Actually, they were. They were interviewing the president of SABR, hence the discussion, and they had an extended discussion on QS & WHIP. Granted, die-hard statisticians have long since moved passed those stats, but for many casual fans it's new information.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
What was wrong with that? There are many casual viewers, who don't post on Twins message boards, who haven't been exposed to SABRmetrics yet.QS and WHIP have been on the backs of baseball cards for two decades. Sabermetrics typically refers to more complex statistical metrics than QS, WHIP, and OPS. It's fine to educate your audience on statistics, it's obtuse to miscategorize such statistics.

Badsmerf
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
This game is much less entertaining than last night.

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 08:23 PM
WHIP is borderline. Quality Start isn't used by anyone in the SABR community.

Dude. Splitting hairs a bit. When compared to true SABR stats.. WHIP compared to ERA+ or isolated slugging, etc? come on.

one_eyed_jack
06-26-2012, 08:24 PM
It doesn't help that Everitt has a buffet to catch.


---Seems like he's got something going on. I've got work to do so I've got one eye on the game and the other on a spreadsheet, but it looked like he was yapping at Ramirez for a while after Ramirez was already walking away.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Actually, they were. They were interviewing the president of SABR, hence the discussion, and they had an extended discussion on QS & WHIP. Granted, die-hard statisticians have long since moved passed those stats, but for many casual fans it's new information.I'm sure it wasn't his idea to bring up those statistical categories. Come on. Again, you don't bring in a nuclear physicist to explain how force is derived from mass and acceleration...

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Actually, they were. They were interviewing the president of SABR, hence the discussion, and they had an extended discussion on QS & WHIP. Granted, die-hard statisticians have long since moved passed those stats, but for many casual fans it's new information.

I cannot believe even the most casual of fans hasn't at least heard of "quality start." Bert spent a few minutes on it LAST NIGHT, and it gets brought up on Twins broadcasts quite often.

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 08:25 PM
Actually, they were. They were interviewing the president of SABR, hence the discussion, and they had an extended discussion on QS & WHIP. Granted, die-hard statisticians have long since moved passed those stats, but for many casual fans it's new information.

You're not interpretting my comment correctly. It's not the fact that they were convering SABR stuff - its that QS ans WHIP were being discussed. I'm fine with them trying to introduce SABR stuff to the general public.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:26 PM
This game is much less entertaining than last night.

So is the discussion.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:26 PM
Dude. Splitting hairs a bit. When compared to true SABR stats.. WHIP compared to ERA+ or isolated slugging, etc? come on.

True, not really trying to argue, just mentioning that I've heard a fair amount of SABR people casually reference WHIP over the years. To me, it's a lot like OPS. Good for a quick and dirty analysis but lacking in fine details needed to understand a player.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:28 PM
You're not interpretting my comment correctly. It's not the fact that they were convering SABR stuff - its that QS ans WHIP were being discussed. I'm fine with them trying to introduce SABR stuff to the general public.

Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:30 PM
Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

It's not pretentious elitism, it's wondering why someone is trying to explain evolution by reading quotes from The Bible.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:30 PM
True, not really trying to argue, just mentioning that I've heard a fair amount of SABR people casually reference WHIP over the years. To me, it's a lot like OPS. Good for a quick and dirty analysis but lacking in fine details needed to understand a player.Right. But as we know OPS isn't really statistically sound either. WHIP actually has more solid basis for measuring what intends and doesn't simply mush two percentages together.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:32 PM
Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.Many of us just came from a Twins message board where we referred to ourselves as elitists, so get used to it. Moreover, there's nothing wrong with trying to uplift the discourse.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:33 PM
it's not pretentious elitism, it's wondering why someone is trying to explain evolution by reading quotes from the bible.
ftw.

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 08:35 PM
Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.
yeah not sure how I get labeled as acting elitist. People posting on message board during game = not general baseball public. Your average retired couple watching the twins on a Tuesday night in rural Minnesota = general baseball public. Idk, I just stating I don't see QS and WHIP as overly sabrmetric stats. I'm not being smug about it.

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:35 PM
Meanwhile...it's Gavin F'ing Floyd, boys.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:36 PM
Well, I'm glad we could all have this talk because this game is boooooooring.

snepp
06-26-2012, 08:37 PM
Oh brother, enough with the pretentious elitism fellas. General public, good lord.

This forum isn't the general public though, so....



pfffffffffffffffffft.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:38 PM
I'm not being smug about it.Well, I am.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:38 PM
I'd like to take this moment to point out that the Twins are completely wasting a "quality start" from Liam Hendriks.

A shame. Those don't seem to come around often.

snepp
06-26-2012, 08:39 PM
I'd like to take this moment to point out that the Twins are completely wasting a "quality start" from Liam Hendriks.

Well played.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:39 PM
Has anyone been tracking Hendricks' first pitch strikes? He still seems to be throwing too few of them, though overall his ball/strike ratio is decent.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:40 PM
Many of us just came from a Twins message board where we referred to ourselves as elitists, so get used to it. Moreover, there's nothing wrong with trying to uplift the discourse.

How, it's not like anyone hasn't heard any of this a thousand times before, it's nothing new.

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 08:41 PM
Well, I am.

I loled hdixnsksb

snepp
06-26-2012, 08:41 PM
Have sabermetrics even made it north of the border yet?

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 08:41 PM
Well, I'm glad we could all have this talk because this game is boooooooring.

I'm actually kind of enjoying watching Hendriks work tonight. Probably his best start of the season. Now if only we could get him some support.

FrodaddyG
06-26-2012, 08:41 PM
How, it's not like anyone hasn't heard any of this a thousand times before, it's nothing new.
Yes, there's lots that haven't, and they're what is referred to as "the general public".

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:42 PM
Okay, enough about the pseudo-sabr semantics, guys. Let's get back to staring at zeros on the scoreboard.

glunn
06-26-2012, 08:43 PM
C'mon Ben, let's get some damn runs!

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:43 PM
How, it's not like anyone hasn't heard any of this a thousand times before, it's nothing new.To recap: 1) it's good to educate the public about stats, even if mislabeled sabr 2) it's elistist to suggest the general public doesn't know about these stats 3) it's nothing new so it's hardly uplifiting the discourse and not really elitist at all.

You're going to be fun to post with in game threads.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:44 PM
I'm actually kind of enjoying watching Hendriks work tonight. Probably his best start of the season. Now if only we could get him some support.

Oh, that part is great. The offense is what's letting the team down tonight, without a doubt. It'd be a shame for Hendriks to finally sort it out and pitch a good game but still get the loss.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:44 PM
PseudosabrCan this be my new screen name????!?!?

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:45 PM
Have sabermetrics even made it north of the border yet?

Oh I get it now, it's an American thing. That explains the smugness.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:45 PM
Another called strikeout. Sigh.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:46 PM
Deep breaths, everyone. Don't make me send you to your rooms without dinner.

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 08:46 PM
What I would give to see Bert's meltdown after letting up two ITP HR in one game. I mean, he had to have come unravelled a bit right?

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 08:46 PM
I smell a rally coming!

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:46 PM
Can this be my new screen name????!?!?

Do you really want it? I can change it if you like.

one_eyed_jack
06-26-2012, 08:46 PM
yeah not sure how I get labeled as acting elitist. People posting on message board during game = not general baseball public. Your average retired couple watching the twins on a Tuesday night in rural Minnesota = general baseball public. Idk, I just stating I don't see QS and WHIP as overly sabrmetric stats. I'm not being smug about it.


---Hey how did my quote get pulled into this discussion?!?

FWIW, I have no argument with anything said here and would not label anyone elitist based on it.

glunn
06-26-2012, 08:47 PM
Another called strikeout. Sigh.

That last pitch looked a bit low to me.

glunn
06-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Justin still not looking comfortable at the plate. I am fearing a double play here.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Do you really want it? I can change it if you like.
Why not? New board, new identity. I'm been running with this handle for 10 years...time for a change?

FrodaddyG
06-26-2012, 08:48 PM
Another called strikeout. Sigh.
How big was Guy Smiley's grin on the way back to the dugout?

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 08:49 PM
---Hey how did my quote get pulled into this discussion?!?

FWIW, I have no argument with anything said here and would not label anyone elitist based on it.

ha! That's my bad. I'm mobile and I accidentally hit the add quote button without knowing. I deleted it. all is well!

snepp
06-26-2012, 08:49 PM
Oh I get it now, it's an American thing. That explains the smugness.

Easy there sparky, it was a joke.




They do have those up there, jokes? :p

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:49 PM
RE: the discussion of platooning Morneau in another thread...perhaps platooning Morneausie is giving him too much credit.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:50 PM
How big was Guy Smiley's grin on the way back to the dugout?

I'm watching on GameCast so I can't be sure... But I'm going to guess "huge".

If we had word filters here, there'd be about a 105% chance Revere would end the night with the filter "Bill Robinson".

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:51 PM
Easy there sparky, it was a joke.




They do have those up there, jokes? :p

You know how to spell Canada, right? C eh, n eh...

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 08:51 PM
At least Floyd is on my fantasy team. Jeeze.

glunn
06-26-2012, 08:51 PM
Too many bad at bats tonight -- Floyd has 9 strikeouts in 6 innings.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:52 PM
Does Hendriks come back out?

glunn
06-26-2012, 08:53 PM
RE: the discussion of platooning Morneau in another thread...perhaps platooning Morneausie is giving him too much credit.

At least give him a day off or two. He is not getting good at bats.

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 08:53 PM
kick save

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:54 PM
Does Hendriks come back out?

Yup, and he just earned a big fine for an 0-2 base hit allowed, if I'm not mistaken.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:55 PM
Easy there sparky, it was a joke.




They do have those up there, jokes? :p


So was that, in fact it all has been, methinks too many guys take themselves a little too seriously around here.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:56 PM
I need to keep reminding myself it's a 2-0 game, not 6-0.

snepp
06-26-2012, 08:58 PM
Jeff Gray! Jeff Gray! Jeff Gray!

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 08:58 PM
Well, so much for 2-0.

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 08:58 PM
nice game by the aussie

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 08:59 PM
I need to keep reminding myself it's a 2-0 game, not 6-0.

way to jinx it.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 08:59 PM
I swear to god the Twins lead the league in Doinks given up!

one_eyed_jack
06-26-2012, 08:59 PM
ha! That's my bad. I'm mobile and I accidentally hit the add quote button without knowing. I deleted it. all is well!


No worries! I've got to get back to procastin...I mean working - oh eff another run. I hate the Whities.

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 09:00 PM
Baseball is a great and glorious game:


http://deadspin.com/5921379/game-ends-as-raul-mondesi-jr-forgets-to-touch-home-plate-after-game+tying-home-run (http://deadspin.com/5921379/game-ends-as-raul-mondesi-jr-forgets-to-touch-home-plate-after-game+tying-home-run)

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:00 PM
I need to keep reminding myself it's a 2-0 game, not 6-0.

Now 3-0 due to a damn bloop off Hendriks' heel, a stolen base that might have been stopped and a damn bloop single. Sox are playing small ball this inning, and there is only one out. Damn, damn, damn.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:01 PM
C'mon Gray -- keep it low and hope for a double play.

GCTF
06-26-2012, 09:01 PM
Easy there sparky, it was a joke.




They do have those up there, jokes? :p

No, we're quite the prudes. I thought we'd posted together long enough for you to know this.

snepp
06-26-2012, 09:03 PM
No, we're quite the prudes. I thought we'd posted together long enough for you to know this.

And here I just thought you talked funny.

PseudoSABR
06-26-2012, 09:03 PM
Thanks for the new screen name, RP!

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:05 PM
It seems like the Sox think that they can easily steal off Mauer, and so far it seems to be working for them.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:09 PM
At least Gray did his job. Now we need runs!

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 09:09 PM
On another topic - for those who follow the Twins farm system.

Matthew Summers just pitched a complete game shutout for Beloit. Nice to see a Twins pitcher do that, at any level.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:11 PM
On another topic - for those who follow the Twins farm system.

Matthew Summers just pitched a complete game shutout for Beloit. Nice to see a Twins pitcher do that, at any level.

Nice timing SB. Any ray of hope is a blessing the way this game is going.

GCTF
06-26-2012, 09:13 PM
And here I just thought you talked funny.

I can't help that, my mother was born in Kansas.

Brock Beauchamp
06-26-2012, 09:13 PM
Every time you think for a moment that this team has an outside shot of getting back into the race, they remind you just how awful they can be.

twinsnorth49
06-26-2012, 09:14 PM
And here I just thought you talked funny.

No we talk slower, it's for your benefit.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 09:15 PM
Every time you think for a moment that this team has an outside shot of getting back into the race, they remind you just how awful they can be.

That's the joy of being, not just a Twins fan, but a fan of Minnesota sports in general. We have a 52 year history of being teased yet ultimately left frustrated.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:18 PM
That's the joy of being, not just a Twins fan, but a fan of Minnesota sports in general. We have a 52 year history of being teased yet ultimately left frustrated.

You are not counting 1987 and 1991?

GCTF
06-26-2012, 09:19 PM
I already like Tyler Robertson more than Rich Robertson.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:20 PM
Robertson strikes out his first three MLB batters -- his debut is going well.

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 09:21 PM
cy robertson

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 09:22 PM
I would imagine Robertson probably just tied a major league record.

edavis0308
06-26-2012, 09:23 PM
Speaking of Canadia, I told one of my friends to watch Kenny vs Spenny and they had never heard of it. What's with people?

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:25 PM
I would imagine Robertson probably just tied a major league record.

Good point. I wonder who else has done this.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 09:28 PM
You are not counting 1987 and 1991?

Those are the exceptions that prove the rule - and in 1987 I wasn't here anyway. I was floating on a boat in the Persian Gulf.

GCTF
06-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Speaking of Canadia, I told one of my friends to watch Kenny vs Spenny and they had never heard of it. What's with people?

Kenny's such an ass.

:evil laugh:

stringer bell
06-26-2012, 09:30 PM
It seems like the Sox think that they can easily steal off Mauer, and so far it seems to be working for them.Mauer had no chance on any of those throws. Somewhere between 75 and 90 percent of the time, the base is stolen on the pitcher. There are a few catchers that are run on because they are pretty slow getting rid of the ball or have weak arms (AJ is one), but Mauer's throwing is fine.

one_eyed_jack
06-26-2012, 09:31 PM
That's the joy of being, not just a Twins fan, but a fan of Minnesota sports in general. We have a 52 year history of being teased yet ultimately left frustrated.

---I once got into a friendly "debate" with an avid Vikes fan about which local team was better and breaking the hearts and crushing the spirits of its fan base. Both sides have legit arguments there. Twins fans have spent the last decade watching their team get into the postseason only to get beat up on by the hated Yankees. Same story every year.

I think you've at least gotta give the Vikes some style points for always finding new, interesting and creative ways to torture their fans. I mean, taking yourself out of range of a game-winning field goal with a too many men on the field penalty in the waning moments of the NFC championship game? Hollywood couldn't come up with that.

And it's not like the others have had it much better. The Wild have been stuck in neutral for seemingly forever. I spend my winters while waiting for baseball season to start following the T-Wolves. If nothing else, that left me a lot more emotionally prepared for the 99-loss season than a lot of other Twins fans.

But we've got the Lynx! (And no, I'm not kidding. Those ladies are awesome.)

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 09:32 PM
Really, who took the under for this game? They always pull this crap the day after a nice outing. Kudos to the pitching staff all around so far and especially to the rook, good on ya kid.

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 09:33 PM
Good point. I wonder who else has done this.
not a record:


In a night game on April 12, 1962, a rookie southpaw, Pete Richert, was summoned from the bullpen by manager Walt Alston of the Los Angeles Dodgers to replace starter Stan Williams in the second inning. In this, his very first major league appearance, Pete struck out seven of the Cincinnati Reds, six of them in succession. That effort tied the record of six consecutive strike outs by a pitcher in his first major league game. Pete struck out the first man he faced to end a four run Cincinnati explosion. He got four in a row in the third when JohnnyRoseboro dropped a third strike and then he fanned the first man to bat in the fourth to complete the remarkable feat of striking out the first six batters he faced in his major league debut. The Dodgers rallied for seven in the fifth on five hits, three walks, and four Cincinnati errors to give Richert credit for an 11-7 victory.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 09:35 PM
---I once got into a friendly "debate" with an avid Vikes fan about which local team was better and breaking the hearts and crushing the spirits of its fan base. Both sides have legit arguments there. Twins fans have spent the last decade watching their team get into the postseason only to get beat up on by the hated Yankees. Same story every year.

I think you've at least gotta give the Vikes some style points for always finding new, interesting and creative ways to torture their fans. I mean, taking yourself out of range of a game-winning field goal with a too many men on the field penalty in the waning moments of the NFC championship game? Hollywood couldn't come up with that.

And it's not like the others have had it much better. The Wild have been stuck in neutral for seemingly forever. I spend my winters while waiting for baseball season to start following the T-Wolves. If nothing else, that left me a lot more emotionally prepared for the 99-loss season than a lot of other Twins fans.

But we've got the Lynx! (And no, I'm not kidding. Those ladies are awesome.)

Yeah, I do admit the Vikings top the list. We had season tickets when I was a kid, and I saw more than one good season end in a Super Bowl loss. First franchise to lose 4 super bowls.

And let's not forget the 15-1 season that ended with a short missed field goal from a placekicker that hadn't missed a field goal all year.

stringer bell
06-26-2012, 09:36 PM
Konerko isnt hitting, Dunn hasn't done anything, but Chicago is winning this game and probably the series. The Sox have better secondary players and much better pitching.

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 09:38 PM
Hammer and Morneua get on for Plouffe who ties it with a big fly.

snepp
06-26-2012, 09:42 PM
Filthy.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:42 PM
I would pinch hit for Justin here -- he does not seem to be seeing the ball very well tonight.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:43 PM
I would pinch hit for Justin here -- he does not seem to be seeing the ball very well tonight.

And I would have been wrong.

snepp
06-26-2012, 09:45 PM
Got all of that one.



Does Parmelee even remember where home plate is?

Jocko87
06-26-2012, 09:45 PM
When was the last time the Twins drafted somebody that had a chance to fast track to the big leagues like this Reed guy or Sale?

GCTF
06-26-2012, 09:46 PM
Tying run at the plate.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 09:46 PM
Oh, how I wish Parmelee had been playing regularly and had a chance to find his groove - instead of coming off the bench cold in a situation when the game is on the line.

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 09:46 PM
ryanshank redemption

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:47 PM
When was the last time the Twins drafted somebody that had a chance to fast track to the big leagues like this Reed guy or Sale?

Matt Garza?

snepp
06-26-2012, 09:48 PM
When was the last time the Twins drafted somebody that had a chance to fast track to the big leagues like this Reed guy or Sale?

2001?



Matt Garza?

Damn you.

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Carroll with the grand slam, here we go.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:49 PM
Carroll with the grand slam, here we go.

Carroll with anything keeps us alive.

Badsmerf
06-26-2012, 09:49 PM
When was the last time the Twins drafted somebody that had a chance to fast track to the big leagues like this Reed guy or Sale?

Gibson kinda, Garza for sure.

snepp
06-26-2012, 09:50 PM
It's mageek.

USAFChief
06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
Mauer not driving in Span from 3rd with one out in the 1st looms large.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
If we win this, the White Sox will be completely demoralized, which could lead to another Twins win tomorrow.

FrodaddyG
06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
Gibson kinda, Garza for sure.
Wimmers was supposed to fall into that category too, but then got the yips, followed by failing to "man up" through this current injury.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
so...your saying he is due for an 0-4, 2 GDP 2k's?
Didn't see any of the game, but glad I didn't. Right when the team starts giving you a little hope they bring us all back to reality.

edit: we are coming back?!?

double edit: damnit

hawkiconk
06-26-2012, 09:53 PM
sox have skinned teeth

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:53 PM
At least they made it close. I wish Span had been a bit more patient.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 09:54 PM
Kinda like Bernard Malamud's "The Natural", wasn't it? (The book, not the movie).

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 09:55 PM
At least they made it close. I wish Span had been a bit more patient.
That was the second strike he hit. No fault to him there after getting strike one called very low.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:56 PM
On a positive note, Hendriks and Robertson both pitched well. If that can carry forward, it will be very good.

glunn
06-26-2012, 09:57 PM
That was the second strike he hit. No fault to him there after getting strike one called very low.

Agreed. No fault. I was merely wishing.

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 09:58 PM
Well, we got some answers to our questions about the bench players tonight. Parmelee's job is to get hit by pitch when down in 0-2 counts for which he's a pinch hitter in unlikely ninth-inning-rallies. And Martroaianni's job is to pinch run and score from second on OF singles, again.... when fighting for the unlikely 9th inning rally. So there we go. I'm satisfied.

Badsmerf
06-26-2012, 09:59 PM
Damnit Plouffe!

one_eyed_jack
06-26-2012, 10:02 PM
Ugh. Too many missed opportunities. We got away with it last night, but you can't get away with it every night.

Hopefully we can still find a way to take the series tomorrow.

snepp
06-26-2012, 10:05 PM
Season over.





(someone had to do it)

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 10:09 PM
Season over.





(someone had to do it)

Not necessarily. They're only 8-1/2 back. There are 13 weeks left in the season. If they make up 1 game a week they should be OK.

And over that same period, I expect the stock market to double, peace to break out over the earth, and an end to global warming.

snepp
06-26-2012, 10:11 PM
That was a bit of BYTO humor.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 10:12 PM
Could you see my tongue poking out my cheek?

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 10:12 PM
Not necessarily. They're only 8-1/2 back. There are 13 weeks left in the season. If they make up 1 game a week they should be OK.

And over that same period, I expect the stock market to double, peace to break out over the earth, and an end to global warming.

Ahem... I think you mean climate change

snepp
06-26-2012, 10:13 PM
Could you see my tongue poking out my cheek?

I was too lazy to read the second sentence, so no, I completely whiffed on that one.

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 10:14 PM
Ahem... I think you mean climate change

Do you say "toe-may-to" or "toe-mah-to"?

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 10:16 PM
Do you say "toe-may-to" or "toe-mah-to"?

I make the wise crack because they are not the same, and one is definitely a euphemism. :)

IdahoPilgrim
06-26-2012, 10:24 PM
I make the wise crack because they are not the same, and one is definitely a euphemism. :)

Fair enough, but it's too late and I'm too tired to worry about being PC.:)

Ultima Ratio
06-26-2012, 10:27 PM
Fair enough, but it's too late and I'm too tired to worry about being PC.:)

Please don't be PC, that's the point. It was just a throw away line. :)

Pius Jefferson
06-26-2012, 10:29 PM
They needed to win this game with Sale pitching tomorrow for the Sox.

one_eyed_jack
06-26-2012, 10:55 PM
Not necessarily. They're only 8-1/2 back. There are 13 weeks left in the season. If they make up 1 game a week they should be OK.

And over that same period, I expect the stock market to double, peace to break out over the earth, and an end to global warming.

---Well that all would be awesome.

But - be honest everyone - raise your hand if, like me, in the unlikely event that all of those wonderful things happened one the same day that the Twins clinched the division, you'd be right here talking about who our game 1 starter should be instead of on CNN reading about how the world's problems were solved.

jokin
06-27-2012, 12:33 AM
At tonight's press conference, Gardy in complete denial about the LOB issue. He completely denied that the RISP tonight was 1-10. He seemingly wasn't aware that the Twins outhit the Sox and had a series of poor ABs that snuffed out potential rallies.

The bright side is definitely the bullpen, Robertson certainly pitched like he wants to stay with the big club, gotta be happy for the big kid in his debut.

Meanwhile, Hendriks defintely showed he has a pulse and gives some hope that he can become a competent SP in time. In an added plus and based on the post-game interview, he was apparently in another life, the co-star on House, playing Dr. Chase.