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Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 03:32 PM
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Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 04:26 PM
Lineups:

Twins
Span CF
Revere RF
Willingham LF
Morneau 1B
Plouffe 3B
Doumit C
Dozier SS
Casilla 2B
(Hendriks P)

Pirates
Presley LF
Walker 2B
McCutchen CF
Jones RF
McGehee 1B
Alvarez 3B
Barajas C
Harrison SS
(McDonald P)

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-21-2012, 04:34 PM
Good God, can Mauer just tough it out for once in his freaking career? I like the guy plenty and rarely have a bad thing to say about him, but its time for him to actually be a leader and stay on the field as much as possible.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 04:35 PM
Good God, can Mauer just tough it out for once in his freaking career?

I'm using a new source for lineups and I'm not 100% sure they're accurate yet.

I really hope it's not in tonight's case...

jokin
06-21-2012, 04:38 PM
I'm using a new source for lineups and I'm not 100% sure they're accurate yet.

I really hope it's not in tonight's case...

LEN3 cited his own sources for Mauer being unavailble.

jokin
06-21-2012, 04:41 PM
Wouldn't this be the perfect night to be giving Dozier a rest and putting Carroll, the NL vet, at SS against a tough right-handed starter?

IdahoPilgrim
06-21-2012, 04:52 PM
I'm going to give the Twins the benefit of the doubt on Mauer. We don't know just how his leg is progressing. He played with the injury the second half of Sunday's game, and he could barely run by the time they took him out. What good is it having him swing the bat if he can only jog to first? He got booed because he was unable to leg out a double; he get's booed if he's not in the lineup. Kind of a no-win situation for him.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-21-2012, 05:21 PM
I'm going to give the Twins the benefit of the doubt on Mauer. We don't know just how his leg is progressing. He played with the injury the second half of Sunday's game, and he could barely run by the time they took him out. What good is it having him swing the bat if he can only jog to first? He got booed because he was unable to leg out a double; he get's booed if he's not in the lineup. Kind of a no-win situation for him.

Only a complete moron would boo Mauer.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 06:11 PM
That half inning wasn't exactly awe-inspiring.

ashburyjohn
06-21-2012, 06:17 PM
That half inning wasn't exactly awe-inspiring.

McDonald was acquired via a deadline trade of Octavio Dotel. Maybe Capps can fetch us something similar.

In other news: after that inning Revere is in a 5-29 slump. Would be nice if he can break loose today.

This just in: Andrew McCutchen is good.

GCTF
06-21-2012, 06:21 PM
That half inning wasn't exactly awe-inspiring.

How's this half inning working out for you?

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 06:22 PM
How's this half inning working out for you?

We're all cheering for the guys with the "P" on their helmets, right? I sometimes get confused.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 06:24 PM
Hendriks dodged a bullet in that inning. It could have been a hell of a lot worse.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 06:38 PM
Ballsy move by Doumit.

GCTF
06-21-2012, 06:47 PM
So.....what else is on?

Obie
06-21-2012, 06:49 PM
How is that Hendricks put up those numbers in AAA?

jokin
06-21-2012, 06:51 PM
Wouldn't this be the perfect night to be giving Dozier a rest and putting Carroll, the NL vet, at SS against a tough right-handed starter?

Watched the bench reaction, I think Jamey just reminded Gardy that this would have been the right move (he said...as he slapped himself on the back...).

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 06:58 PM
How is that Hendricks put up those numbers in AAA?

Kind of like Jekyll & Hyde, isn't it?

USAFChief
06-21-2012, 07:00 PM
Good God, can Mauer just tough it out for once in his freaking career? I like the guy plenty and rarely have a bad thing to say about him, but its time for him to actually be a leader and stay on the field as much as possible.

The single, simple thing most likely to keep Mauer on the field--and at his most productive--is to move him off catcher. Should have been done years ago. Paying $23M/yr to a catcher, where the player cannot under any circumstances play his position every day, and where he's also most likely to get injured, suffer long term debilitation, and hit the least--is and always was idiocy, despite what FANGRAPHS tries to tell you with WAR or some other poorly thought out crap.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 07:07 PM
Damn it, Morneau. He throws you three outside the zone and then you roll over on one.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 07:08 PM
And then Plouffe gives it a ride. Le sigh.

USAFChief
06-21-2012, 07:09 PM
And then Plouffe gives it a ride. Le sigh.

pfft. Plouffsie is helpless against righties.

The Greatest Poster Alive
06-21-2012, 07:18 PM
Plouffe has turned my HR category around in my fantasy league.

glunn
06-21-2012, 07:40 PM
If Plouffe could improve against righties, he would be a lot more valuable. Maybe Vavra can help him with that.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 07:40 PM
Oh, for crying out loud.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 07:47 PM
Time to go do something else with my night.

jokin
06-21-2012, 07:55 PM
Time to go do something else with my night.

September, 2011- meet June 2012

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 07:59 PM
September, 2011- meet June 2012

It feels that way some nights. I can deal with young players who aren't very good. But stuff like Burnett not lugging his ass over to first in time to cover the base or Morneau getting caught in a run down for no good reason? Nah, I can't watch that.

jokin
06-21-2012, 08:03 PM
It feels that way some nights. I can deal with young players who aren't very good. But stuff like Burnett not lugging his ass over to first in time to cover the base or Morneau getting caught in a run down for no good reason? Nah, I can't watch that.

Again, begging the question, is failure to execute the "simple stuff" (Gardy's phrase from 2011) more on the manager or the players?

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 08:07 PM
Again, begging the question, is failure to execute the "simple stuff" (Gardy's phrase from 2011) more on the manager or the players?

I put it on both. The manager needs to be in peoples' faces (maybe not literally but figuratively) when stuff like that happens. When it starts to happen too often, he should be running extra drills until they get it right.

On the other hand, the players should already know better, especially a vet like Morneau. Twice tonight he almost made an out between second and third for no reason.

glunn
06-21-2012, 08:11 PM
I think that some of this is a result of the team developing a losing mentality and that there would be fewer flubs if the Twins were in contention.

GCTF
06-21-2012, 08:14 PM
If you slice Manship thin enough he could be useful as a doorstop.

jokin
06-21-2012, 08:17 PM
If you slice Manship thin enough he could be useful as a doorstop.

I liked that other guy Mansihp better. Then again, conveniently enough, they do both pitch for the MLB's door-mat.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 08:24 PM
Damn it... I went downstairs to run on the treadmill and the cat comes and drops a deuce right as I start, gassing me out of the place almost instantly.

Not unlike watching Twins baseball, in a weird sort of way.

JB_Iowa
06-21-2012, 08:28 PM
Really makes me appreciate Frankie's effort last night.

Burton & Perk, too.

glunn
06-21-2012, 08:28 PM
Damn it... I went downstairs to run on the treadmill and the cat comes and drops a deuce right as I start, gassing me out of the place almost instantly.

Not unlike watching Twins baseball, in a weird sort of way.

I am watching this on the internet and feel the same way, absent the cat. I could live with this if the Twins would at least score a FEW runs.

jctwins
06-21-2012, 10:30 PM
AIDS > 2012 Twins

The Greatest Poster Alive
06-21-2012, 11:28 PM
AIDS > 2012 Twins

Definitely... just stay HIV positive about the issue and it will all work out.

Badsmerf
06-21-2012, 11:48 PM
Definitely... just stay HIV positive about the issue and it will all work out.

Is this a clubhouse issue or just a starting pitching disease?

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-22-2012, 08:27 AM
There wasn't one walk in last nights game.

Brock Beauchamp
06-22-2012, 08:42 AM
There wasn't one walk in last nights game.

The Twins were making sure McDonald's stat line looked good by swinging as much as possible when they had a favorable count.

Mr. Ed
06-22-2012, 08:49 AM
Another clunker. More to come. Reality is setting in again. Without decent pitching, there isn't going to be a lot of fight out there.

Manship is the same as before. Too hittable. Sadly,not many other options.

Hendriks has to get it going. Pitch with the same mentality as in AAA. This is not impressive.