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Shane Wahl
06-09-2012, 09:42 AM
Rob Deer. Very low average with very good power. Massive L/R splits.

Pretty soon the "play every day" thing should probably be replaced with a platoon situation . . . if the Twins can find a lefty to do so . . .

USAFChief
06-09-2012, 04:05 PM
I'm not sure there's enough to proclaim much of anything about Plouffe at this point, good or bad. What I will say is, given current IF options, he's intriguing enough that he should be playing most every day so there's more to judge on over the winter.

jokin
06-09-2012, 04:19 PM
Rob Deer. Very low average with very good power. Massive L/R splits.

Pretty soon the "play every day" thing should probably be replaced with a platoon situation . . . if the Twins can find a lefty to do so . . .

It seems obvious, Joe Mauer?

Ultima Ratio
06-09-2012, 04:20 PM
To Mark Reynolds of the Os, but with a worse eye, plate discipline and (therefore) worse OB%. Both 3rd base base and are all or nothing with their swings.

one_eyed_jack
06-09-2012, 04:25 PM
I agree, still too early to say what Plouffe is or could be.

However, I recall some expressing anger when Luke Hughes was let go because we should have kept him over Plouffe.

I think Plouffe's surge and the struggles of Hughes, which recently landed him another demotion down to AA, validate that the correct decision was made there.

jeffk
06-09-2012, 04:32 PM
He also seems to be managing third base decently, which is surprising given that it seemed like most of his defensive struggles involved his arm. That's great news, because he's more valuable at 3B than RF, and it fills a hole for the Twins if he keeps it up. Granted there's a hole in RF too, but it's easier to find a serviceable RF than 3B.

jokin
06-09-2012, 04:35 PM
I agree, still too early to say what Plouffe is or could be.

However, I recall some expressing anger when Luke Hughes was let go because we should have kept him over Plouffe.

I think Plouffe's surge and the struggles of Hughes, which recently landed him another demotion down to AA, validate that the correct decision was made there.

Hughes, was a great guy, but a placeholder, at best. Plouffe was a first round pick, still trying to put it all together. The biggest thing I've noticed is how comfortable and professional he looks at 3rd, especially compared to the other places (SS obviously the worst) the Twins have spotted him since his call-up. I think to some degree, that is carrying over to his hitting. Well, that, and teams that keep throwing the ball to him inside-middle in his wheelhouse. Whatever the case, his June production is unreal: .370/.414/.852./.1266

YourHouseIsMyHouse
06-09-2012, 05:03 PM
To Mark Reynolds of the Os, but with a worse eye, plate discipline and (therefore) worse OB%. Both 3rd base base and are all or nothing with their swings.

I was thinking the same thing. He doesn't strike out nearly as much as Reynolds, but doesn't get as many walks. Mark Reynolds is flat out terrible on defense and Plouffe isn't so bad.

Dilligaf69
06-09-2012, 05:04 PM
Rob Deer. Very low average with very good power. Massive L/R splits.

Pretty soon the "play every day" thing should probably be replaced with a platoon situation . . . if the Twins can find a lefty to do so . . .


Disagree...let him play, he seems to be doing better at 3B...great play today. See what you have over a full season...make a decision this winter.

Shane Wahl
06-09-2012, 06:09 PM
Disagree...let him play, he seems to be doing better at 3B...great play today. See what you have over a full season...make a decision this winter.

Yeah you are correct about that play every day thing for now.

Aside from the defensive position, I still think Rob Deer is more comparable than Mark Reynolds!

greengoblinrulz
06-09-2012, 08:00 PM
First 16 gms thru May 7th.......4-39 .102 BAve .205 slgg 1double 1HR 2RBI 10bb 6Ks
Danny Valencia optioned May 10th.....coincidence????
Last 23gms since May 8th.....22-86 .256 BAve .593 slgg 5doubles 8HR 15RBI 5bb 20Ks

The Greatest Poster Alive
06-09-2012, 09:14 PM
Right handed Luke Scott. The type of player who provides below average defense wherever he goes, but good enough to tolerate... and a bat capable of providing pop, but only against lefties.

DaTwins
06-09-2012, 11:03 PM
To Mark Reynolds of the Os, but with a worse eye, plate discipline and (therefore) worse OB%. Both 3rd base base and are all or nothing with their swings.

Reynolds hit 44 homers one year. I feel pretty safe saying Plouffe won't ever get near that. He might be a Ryan Roberts type, maybe Gordon Beckham?

glunn
06-09-2012, 11:31 PM
Reynolds hit 44 homers one year. I feel pretty safe saying Plouffe won't ever get near that. He might be a Ryan Roberts type, maybe Gordon Beckham?

I just checked this and Plouffe has 8 homers this year in 38 games played. That suggests that maybe he could hit 25-35 homers a year. Less than 44 but still pretty good taking into account that homers don't come easy at Target field. And he has made some good plays at third base.

DaTwins
06-09-2012, 11:57 PM
He's on the best streak of his career right now. I don't think it's fair to say he can keep this up or realistic to extrapolate these numbers. I'm sure there are samples of Jason Kubel's career here that you could argue make him a 40 home run type of guy too, and he's a much better hitter than Plouffe. Though, I do agree that 25 could be attainable at the high side of estimates, seeing as he's been increasing his power for the last ~3 or 4 years.

Montecore
06-10-2012, 12:04 AM
Like Blyleven said after his HR - it really looks like Trevor Plouffe is in a state of becoming a helluva good player. Gotta like his chances.

TwinsGuy55422
06-10-2012, 12:19 AM
I doubt he can keep up this current pace but he seems to be gaining confidence by the day. I hope they keep him playing almost everyday and find out once and for all if he can be an everyday player. Who knows, he may just find his niche at 3B.

Pradesh
06-10-2012, 04:02 AM
When was the last time we had a decent player with defense, average and power at 3rd, SS or 2nd?

Nick Nelson
06-11-2012, 12:32 AM
A more recent comp would be Joe Crede, circa 2003-2006, with (significantly) less defensive value. Over those four seasons, before back problems ruined his career, Crede hit .260/.308/.454 and averaged 23 homers. He was 25 years old at the start of that window; Plouffe is 25 now.

Without the fantastic glovework, Plouffe will never be as valuable, but those kinds of numbers seem attainable and would make him a better player than anyone the Twins have trotted out at third in quite a while.

Also: what happens with Valencia? Plouffe seems like he's on the way to locking up the hot corner.

spideyo
06-11-2012, 07:36 AM
Valencia = Trade Bait at best.

I do think that unless Plouffe improves his defense and can maintain a good average all season long, he is not a long-term answer at 3b. Finding a lefty to share time with him isn't a bad idea, but platooning him with Mauer is just stupid. Plouffe has hit more home runs, but he simply cannot hit and field on the same level as Mauer. Not to mention the fact that you don't pay a guy 23m a year to only play half the time.

USAFChief
06-11-2012, 04:48 PM
A more recent comp would be Joe Crede, circa 2003-2006, with (significantly) less defensive value. Over those four seasons, before back problems ruined his career, Crede hit .260/.308/.454 and averaged 23 homers. He was 25 years old at the start of that window; Plouffe is 25 now.

Without the fantastic glovework, Plouffe will never be as valuable, but those kinds of numbers seem attainable and would make him a better player than anyone the Twins have trotted out at third in quite a while.

Also: what happens with Valencia? Plouffe seems like he's on the way to locking up the hot corner.

I think we'd all be pretty happy with that.

Its also worth remembering Plouffe was a good enough infielder to remain a SS until he got to the big leagues. Thinking he might eventually be a plus third baseman isn't unrealistic either. His problems defensively were largely related to throwing accuracy, which can sometimes be cured. You can't teach arm strength, you sometimes can teach mechanics and footwork.

Thrylos
06-11-2012, 05:10 PM
I think that it is too early to determine what type of player Plouffe would be based on 508 MLB appearances (that's less than a full season's worth). One fun thing is that at this point, Plouffe has higher OPS+ (110 vs 107) and has hit more HRs (9 vs 7) than a former Twins' IF, turned OF, turned jack of all trades and master of none, turned Rockie...

ashburyjohn
06-11-2012, 05:22 PM
Valencia = Trade Bait at best.

Trade repellent, more like.

Scheherezade
06-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Trade repellent, more like.

Well done, ;)

Paul
06-11-2012, 05:35 PM
I think we'd all be pretty happy with that.

Its also worth remembering Plouffe was a good enough infielder to remain a SS until he got to the big leagues. Thinking he might eventually be a plus third baseman isn't unrealistic either. His problems defensively were largely related to throwing accuracy, which can sometimes be cured. You can't teach arm strength, you sometimes can teach mechanics and footwork.

Exactly. I'd add that his throwing problems were probably mental rather than what appeared as mechanical. You don't spend your career at SS and suddenly forget how to throw. I'll further add that if the Twins make him available he would be attractive to a team that is looking for a SS solution.

ashburyjohn
06-11-2012, 06:15 PM
I'll further add that if the Twins make him available he would be attractive to a team that is looking for a SS solution.

A team that has World Series aspirations?

The Greatest Poster Alive
06-11-2012, 08:06 PM
Exactly. I'd add that his throwing problems were probably mental rather than what appeared as mechanical. You don't spend your career at SS and suddenly forget how to throw. I'll further add that if the Twins make him available he would be attractive to a team that is looking for a SS solution.

If Plouffe had a chance to stick at SS he'd be playing there for the Twins right now. NO way does a team look at his body of work and think, yeah... that's a guy I want to man the most defensively taxing position (besides catcher) for my playoff run. If someone wants him as a bench bat... or to fill a gaping hole in the outfield or 3rd base, they'll consider him...

I like Plouffe, but he's no short stop.

Also, he has more value as a player to hold onto than a player to move right now.

jokin
06-11-2012, 10:40 PM
Exactly. I'd add that his throwing problems were probably mental rather than what appeared as mechanical. You don't spend your career at SS and suddenly forget how to throw. I'll further add that if the Twins make him available he would be attractive to a team that is looking for a SS solution.

Mental or mechanical last year nothwithstanding, I can pretty much guaran-darn-tee you that no team that got a look at his body of work at SS last season would ever take a chance at this year's mid-season trading deadline to designate Plouffe as their starting SS. On the plus side, lots less mental pressure at 3B than SS, his throwing mechanics have been practically flawless since his insertion at the hot corner.

jokin
06-11-2012, 11:04 PM
Valencia = Trade Bait at best.

I do think that unless Plouffe improves his defense and can maintain a good average all season long, he is not a long-term answer at 3b. Finding a lefty to share time with him isn't a bad idea, but platooning him with Mauer is just stupid. Plouffe has hit more home runs, but he simply cannot hit and field on the same level as Mauer. Not to mention the fact that you don't pay a guy 23m a year to only play half the time.

I don't think I proposed that Mauer play half the time. The Twins are well on the way to violating the "Not to Mention Fact" that you mentioned in your last sentence. Mauer has only played at catcher in about one-third of the last 36 games, he's already well under 50% at catcher on the season. You are right that 3B is still open in the intermediate and long-term, Plouffe is getting the chance of a lifetime right now to change the Twins' plans in his favor, but right now his L/R OPS split is .1063/.635, not good. Going into next season, and each season through 2018, an annual assessment of Mauer's health will dictate how much he can be counted on to catch, and right now the trend is not looking for more games at catcher, but less. I hope it isn't imminent, but it looks like the days of Mauer catching 120+ games is just about over. Which of course, necessitates a need to project another position for Mauer to play at least half the time (based on his current trend). If Mauer can catch primarily against left-handers and some right-handers (let's say 60-80 games), and DH and play 3B for another 80-100, the Twins would probably be in best position to maximize their $23 Mil/yr investment out to the end of the contract (2018). Morneau, with Parmelee to succeed him, are the current options at 1B, Mauer could easily end up there if they don't like what they see with Parmelee- and the Twins also need to extend Doumit to make this scenario become a possibility. This would also give the Twins a chance to focus on finding the long-term answer at 2B and/or SS.

Brock Beauchamp
06-13-2012, 08:38 AM
I haven't been much of a Plouffe fan since not long after he was drafted. But at this point, the Twins have no better options and the guy is raking. Over at BYTO, I raised the question whether his career arc could be comped to a slightly younger version of Garrett Jones (the key difference being that Jones can actually hit righties, a more valuable commodity than hitting lefties). I'm still incredibly skeptical of Plouffe's ability to hit at an above-average level for a prolonged period of time but the Twins literally have nothing to lose by throwing him out there on a daily basis. Guys who can't hit righties don't make for very valuable players in the long run. If Plouffe is going to make it as a hitter, he's going to have to figure out how to hit RH pitchers at an acceptable level (which he is doing now but I doubt his current level of play is sustainable).

Shane Wahl
06-13-2012, 09:03 AM
Rob Deer's 162 game average:

633 PA, 544 AB, 120 hits, 21 doubles, 2 triples, 32 homers, 81 BB, 198K, .220/.324/.442

Trevor Plouffe's:

577 PA, 519 AB, 118 hits, 29 doubles, 1 triple, 23 homers, 45 BB, 127K, .228/.293/.419

Once his current pace settles a bit, the above numbers are going to be more in line with what to expect with slightly better average and few walks.

Ultima Ratio
06-13-2012, 09:45 AM
PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OB SLG OPS


162
655
566
91
134
28
2
35
96
10
4
77
216
.237
.332
.478
.811




162
577
519
84
118
29
1
23
64
3
5
45
127
.228
.293
.419
.711






162
647
557
85
153
37
2
20
83
12
6
75
130
.275
.367
.458
.825



Mark Reynolds
Trevor Plouffe
Corey Koskie (just to throw in the recent Twins 3B paragon)

Analysis: Small sample size to project real 162 numbers, but Plouffe's career 162 projects to mirror the power number of Koskie (HR, RBI, SLG), while only projecting a BA and OB% like Mark Reynolds or Rob Deer. Not so good. Koskie was, well, good.... and we miss his production and defense dearly.

Brock Beauchamp
06-13-2012, 09:46 AM
Rob Deer's 162 game average:

633 PA, 544 AB, 120 hits, 21 doubles, 2 triples, 32 homers, 81 BB, 198K, .220/.324/.442

Trevor Plouffe's:

577 PA, 519 AB, 118 hits, 29 doubles, 1 triple, 23 homers, 45 BB, 127K, .228/.293/.419

Once his current pace settles a bit, the above numbers are going to be more in line with what to expect with slightly better average and few walks.

Rob Deer was a walk machine, averaging about .100 points higher OBP than AVG. That helped offset his atrocious BA and turned him from being below average to being slightly above average as a hitter.

Do you honestly expect Plouffe to do that? Trevor's OBP was roughly .060 points higher than his BA in the minors and it's a lot easier to draw a walk down there than it is in the majors.

Besides, using straight avg/2b/hr stat lines on guys who played 30 years apart is nearly useless. You should be looking more at adjusted lines than straight stats.

StormJH1
06-13-2012, 12:17 PM
I watched Rob Deer growing up in Detroit. I just looked it up, and Deer hit .217 in Double-A and .227 in Triple-A in the two seasons before his callup. In other words, he was always that type of hitter. There were points in those seasons I remember he had more HR's than singles!

Plouffe was in Triple-A from 2008-11 and while his BA wasn't good (.262), neither were his strikeout rates so absurdly bad that he should be compared to guys like Deer, Reynolds, or Chris Davis. Plouffe also doesn't have the raw power of those guys. But I think he has bulked up, and the guy who mentioned Joe Crede above (Crede from the mid-2000's, not the year we had him) was dead on. Crede also did not strike out at an absurdly high rate. But I would absolutely take that type of hitter, given how little hope we had for Plouffe coming into the year.

Boom Boom
06-13-2012, 12:38 PM
Michael Cuddyer, but with more power and more defensive value.

That is to say, I think Plouffe will put up a better BA and OBP than many are giving him credit for.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-14-2012, 10:24 AM
Trevor plouffes best comp is that of brian buscher and brendan harris, he is like the best of both worlds.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-14-2012, 10:25 AM
If Plouffe had a chance to stick at SS he'd be playing there for the Twins right now. NO way does a team look at his body of work and think, yeah... that's a guy I want to man the most defensively taxing position (besides catcher) for my playoff run. If someone wants him as a bench bat... or to fill a gaping hole in the outfield or 3rd base, they'll consider him...

I like Plouffe, but he's no short stop.

Also, he has more value as a player to hold onto than a player to move right now.

Yup, trading up and coming players with less than one year service time is typically not a good way to rebuild.

snepp
06-14-2012, 10:50 AM
Trevor plouffes best comp is that of brian buscher and brendan harris, he is like the best of both worlds.

That's Harrischer to you.

Brock Beauchamp
06-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Trevor plouffes best comp is that of brian buscher and brendan harris, he is like the best of both worlds.

If only Trevor could emulate the thoughtful - nay, gallant - 1,000 yard stare of one Mr. Brian James Buchanan.

1230

Every time I see a picture of Buchanan, I expect the picture to yell "HODOR!" back at me.

Bonus points if Trevor could also run routes like Jason Tyner.

PopRiveter
06-18-2012, 01:29 PM
I've been thinking Rob Deer for awhile now. I thought I was the only one.

Knotholemike
06-20-2012, 10:29 AM
Has anyone seen or can anyone provide an assessment of Plouffe's defense at 3B? How is his range and where does he rank along side other 3rd basemen?

Nick Nelson
06-20-2012, 11:39 PM
Has anyone seen or can anyone provide an assessment of Plouffe's defense at 3B? How is his range and where does he rank along side other 3rd basemen?
I think he's been pretty solid. Still occasionally has erratic bouts with the arm, but those have diminished greatly over time which has me convinced they were largely the result of yips. He shows a good feel for the position and has made some nice barehanded plays on bunts. Not a top-tier defender by any means, but he's got all the tools to handle the hot corner, as you'd expect from a converted shortstop.

Bark's Lounge
06-20-2012, 11:58 PM
I think he's been pretty solid. Still occasionally has erratic bouts with the arm, but those have diminished greatly over time which has me convinced they were largely the result of yips. He shows a good feel for the position and has made some nice barehanded plays on bunts. Not a top-tier defender by any means, but he's got all the tools to handle the hot corner, as you'd expect from a converted shortstop.
He has been super solid at 3B. Let us not Forget Corey Koskie. He was an atrocious 3B at first, but turned himself into an above average defender at 3B. Plouffe may not be a perennial .300 hitter, he will bring the punch to the party. Mark my words on this.

shs_59
06-21-2012, 01:33 AM
This may be a bit optimistic but i think Plouffe is a Right Handed Ben Zobrist for a comparable.

Zobrist if you think about it, has essentially been one of the 3 or 4 most consistent Offensive Contributors on the Rays team over the last few seasons, and the Rays being SUPER succesfull.



At this point, I feel like the Twins should gamble a bit and Choose: Mauer, Span, Revere, Plouffe, and hopefully 1 of Parmelee, Morneau to build around.....Along with Diamond, Hendriks, Baker, Gibson, Waldrop, Guerra, Duensing, Burnett.

And EVERYTHING else should be prospects and the Twins should be to the point, (between this July, August trade deadlines and The Off-Season) of Having a DEEP AAA and AA Team along with solid A Ball squads.... The Twins should want to have the feeling like they could use another farm team. IMO ...and soon.

glunn
06-21-2012, 01:35 AM
He has been super solid at 3B. Let us not Forget Corey Koskie. He was an atrocious 3B at first, but turned himself into an above average defender at 3B. Plouffe may not be a perennial .300 hitter, he will bring the punch to the party. Mark my words on this.

Plouffe may be a late bloomer. Maybe this month's performance is a fluke. But if Plouffe can sustain this and improve his approach to hitting righties, I think that he could greatly surpass Koskie (whose career was tragically cut short by the concussions). The way that Plouffe has hit during June suggests at least a theoretical possibility of 30-40 homers per year.

Cap'n Piranha
06-21-2012, 07:50 AM
I think you have to ride Trevor "Babe" Plouffe (say it out loud, its fun--trust me) as long as you can, as he certainly seems on his way to becoming a potential middle of the order guy. While his UZR/150 is still -6.8, I would expect that to go up as he continues to learn third. The other things that's worth mentioning is that his average is now at .252 DESPITE a .234 BABIP (although thinking about that, that doesn't make any sense. Yet both fangraphs and baseball-reference have that as his BABIP. Hmm), which suggests that average will continue to go up.

That being said, at what point do you try and sign Babe Plouffe to a longer-term contract (say 5 years, 30mil)? He's not arbitration-eligible until 2014, and can't be a free agent until 2018, so he feels like a nice centerpiece to potentially build around.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 07:55 AM
The other things that's worth mentioning is that his average is now at .252 DESPITE a .234 BABIP (although thinking about that, that doesn't make any sense. Yet both fangraphs and baseball-reference have that as his BABIP. Hmm), which suggests that average will continue to go up.

It's easy to have a BABIP lower than BA. BABIP is just that, Batting Average Balls In Play. Homers are never "in play". Strikeouts are never "in play" but they count against BA. For something to count for BABIP, it needs to be "in play".

snepp
06-21-2012, 10:35 AM
It's easy to have a BABIP lower than BA. BABIP is just that, Batting Average Balls In Play. Homers are never "in play". Strikeouts are never "in play" but they count against BA. For something to count for BABIP, it needs to be "in play".

What he said. ^^^^

Cap'n Piranha
06-21-2012, 12:01 PM
It's easy to have a BABIP lower than BA. BABIP is just that, Batting Average Balls In Play. Homers are never "in play". Strikeouts are never "in play" but they count against BA. For something to count for BABIP, it needs to be "in play".

Gotcha, no more morning posting for me.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 12:14 PM
Gotcha, no more morning posting for me.

Heh, I think it's a pretty common "logical leap" to make. I remember going cross-eyed the first time I saw a BABIP lower than BA.

Badsmerf
06-21-2012, 03:10 PM
That being said, at what point do you try and sign Babe Plouffe to a longer-term contract (say 5 years, 30mil)? He's not arbitration-eligible until 2014, and can't be a free agent until 2018, so he feels like a nice centerpiece to potentially build around.

Plouffe has so much to prove yet that this is simply ridiculous. The Twins can't bank on Plouffe producing like this from now on. He has to sustain it for the rest of the season and into next season before the Twins can officially say this is our guy. I'm a pretty big Plouffe supporter, but he has a long way to go to be a player to build around.

hawkiconk
06-21-2012, 03:13 PM
his agent probably has him thinking 5 yrs/ 60M

Cap'n Piranha
06-21-2012, 03:51 PM
Plouffe has so much to prove yet that this is simply ridiculous. The Twins can't bank on Plouffe producing like this from now on. He has to sustain it for the rest of the season and into next season before the Twins can officially say this is our guy. I'm a pretty big Plouffe supporter, but he has a long way to go to be a player to build around.

If you'll notice, I asked when you try to sign an extension. I never advocated for the Twins to extend him right now. I merely think a guy who can hit .260-.270 with 25-30 homers while playing an acceptable 3rd base is a guy you try to keep around (fangraphs at this point projects him to hit .248 with 25 homers, and post a 2.5 WAR). While I wouldn't pay 12m per, I think up to 5 years and 35m is reasonable. From Babe Plouffe's standpoint, he goes from making less than 500k this year and next, to making 4-5 million at least next year. There are worse things in this world than knowing you'll get paid 30-35 million dollars no matter what happens to you, even if you're leaving some potential earnings on the table.

Jeff P
06-21-2012, 04:36 PM
Wild how quickly perspectives change on someone. He is playing really well, but I think they need to wait until after next year before looking into a long term deal. I don't think there is any way to know how good of a player he will settle out at right now or even after this season.

The thing is, the first couple of years of arbitration are cheap anyway, so assuming he has a solid but not incredible season next year, I think they could still get him at a reasonable rate, well below 7M a season.

Brock Beauchamp
06-21-2012, 04:50 PM
Wild how quickly perspectives change on someone. He is playing really well, but I think they need to wait until after next year before looking into a long term deal.

Plouffe has virtually no service time. There's no reason to even think about signing him to a deal until after the 2014 season, if he's even around at that point.

glunn
06-21-2012, 10:48 PM
"Babe" would be one of the greatest nicknames ever, IF he can live up to it.

I am a Plouffetist, but agree with those who feel that the Twins should wait a while and see how he performs.

Bark's Lounge
06-21-2012, 11:26 PM
Strictly from on the field. Plouffe is surging and has been the point of pleasantries and interest the last 3 weeks. Very bad seasons by a team do not come without a reward sometimes. This being said, every baseball player has their struggles a few times during the season and Plouffe will indeed have his again. In my heart of hearts I feel strongly that Plouffe will be a solid MLB player+. Let us see this season play out and reserve our judgement until October - Plouffe's book is not yet finished. My gut tells me we have a .250 - .280 BA, 25-30HR's and a 100RBI, decent fielding 3B on our hands. These kind of players are not easy to come by. Being a Plouffetist, my judgement might be viewed as askew, but being at my utmost Plouffetist Center, I understand the nay saying, I understand the skepticism. I simply believe that Trevor Plouffe will prove the Anti-Plouffes wrong.

Badsmerf
06-21-2012, 11:46 PM
Strictly from on the field. Plouffe is surging and has been the point of pleasantries and interest the last 3 weeks. Very bad seasons by a team do not come without a reward sometimes. This being said, every baseball player has their struggles a few times during the season and Plouffe will indeed have his again. In my heart of hearts I feel strongly that Plouffe will be a solid MLB player+. Let us see this season play out and reserve our judgement until October - Plouffe's book is not yet finished. My gut tells me we have a .250 - .280 BA, 25-30HR's and a 100RBI, decent fielding 3B on our hands. These kind of players are not easy to come by. Being a Plouffetist, my judgement might be viewed as askew, but being at my utmost Plouffetist Center, I understand the nay saying, I understand the skepticism. I simply believe that Trevor Plouffe will prove the Anti-Plouffes wrong.

What about Plouffe tells you he will do that? His last 75 AB's? I'm a plouffe supporter too, but you can't be serious.

Bark's Lounge
06-22-2012, 12:39 AM
What about Plouffe tells you he will do that? His last 75 AB's? I'm a plouffe supporter too, but you can't be serious.

There was nothing definite with the thread response I threw out there. I am dead serious. There will be no metrics or analysis. I am a Plouffetist and I have a good feeling about Plouffe - over and out, enough said.

PseudoSABR
06-22-2012, 01:26 AM
Until we see more from Plouffe he doesn't really have a comp. He's taken some walks and give-me hits lately, so maybe he really can counter the leagues adjustments. I still can't see anything more than Rob Deer playing an erratic third base and walking a bit less--but that's been than the Twins have had since Koskie.

glunn
06-24-2012, 01:40 AM
Here is a link to an article by Aaron Gleeman about Trevor Plouffe that includes some interesting comparisons to other players: http://aarongleeman.com/2012/06/19/bust-to-building-block-trevor-plouffe-slugs-his-way-into-twins-plans/