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J-Dog Dungan
06-05-2012, 05:47 PM
Royals SP: Bruce Chen-Last 10 years v. Twins: 2-5, 5.46 ERA.

Twins Lineup:
1. Denard Span CF
2. Darin Mastroianni RF
3. Josh Willingham LF
4. Justin Morneau 1B
5. Ryan Doumit DH
6. Trever Plouffe 3B
7. Brian Dozier SS
8. Drew Butera C
9. Jamey Carroll 2B

Twins SP: Francisco Liriano; 1-5, 7.20 ERA, 1.88 WHIP, 39 K; Against the Royals in his career: 6-4, 4.26 ERA, 51 K

jeffk
06-05-2012, 06:06 PM
I don't see what's the point of playing Darin Mastroianni when you can just play Ben Revere. He's playing well but has not played so many games in a row that he should need a rest. Here's a chance to see if it's for real.

IdahoPilgrim
06-05-2012, 06:10 PM
I don't see what's the point of playing Darin Mastroianni when you can just play Ben Revere. He's playing well but has not played so many games in a row that he should need a rest. Here's a chance to see if it's for real.

Gardy likes to make sure everybody gets some playing time, and Mastoianni hasn't played much recently. You have to give people a few swings every few days just to have them keep their timing. Personally, I would send him back down to AAA for more regular playing time, but I'm not sure who I would bring up to replace him.

J-Dog Dungan
06-05-2012, 06:15 PM
Twins are probably thinking that if Mastroianni isn't doing well against ML fastballs, they might as well put him in against a guy who has an average high school (varsity high school) fastball around 86-88. Incredible that people haven't knocked him out of the league because of how slow he throws. i hope the Twins repeat (or close to repeat) their performance against this guy from earlier in the year.

Shane Wahl
06-05-2012, 06:25 PM
Chen is a lefty.

ashburyjohn
06-05-2012, 06:31 PM
but I'm not sure who I would bring up to replace him.

Clete. Clete. Clete.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 06:34 PM
Twins are probably thinking that if Mastroianni isn't doing well against ML fastballs, they might as well put him in against a guy who has an average high school (varsity high school) fastball around 86-88. Incredible that people haven't knocked him out of the league because of how slow he throws. i hope the Twins repeat (or close to repeat) their performance against this guy from earlier in the year.

Kind of blows a hole in the argument that you need to throw 90mph to stick in this league for awhile. Changing speeds and lots of movement can keep you around.

J-Dog Dungan
06-05-2012, 06:36 PM
Kind of blows a hole in the argument that you need to throw 90mph to stick in this league for awhile. Changing speeds and lots of movement can keep you around.

Fair enough. For people who have been complaining about Pavano, this is pretty much how he has survived as well.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 06:46 PM
Seeing as Frankie is starting again, I just wanted to point out to those who wrote off his performance as hollow because it came against a poor hitting team in the A's, that the same A's team ripped Texas for 15 hits and 12 runs last night. The fact they didn't do that to Liriano says something about how well he pitched and how well an MLB team can hit if a pitcher is not performing.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 06:48 PM
Fair enough. For people who have been complaining about Pavano, this is pretty much how he has survived as well.

That's why I see some hope for Diamond and to a lesser extent Walters and both of them have a better fastball than Pavano and guys like Chen.

IdahoPilgrim
06-05-2012, 06:50 PM
the same A's team ripped Texas for 15 hits and 12 runs last night.

Even the blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 07:05 PM
Even the blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

Good analysis, lots of facts.

woolhouse
06-05-2012, 07:15 PM
Well, Chen just struck out Span and Mastroianni... so, he's doing something right.

IdahoPilgrim
06-05-2012, 07:17 PM
Good analysis, lots of facts.

Thank you.

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-05-2012, 07:20 PM
I see Liriano is sticking with his strategy of walking the leadoff hitter. Let's see if it works out for him.

IdahoPilgrim
06-05-2012, 07:21 PM
Good analysis, lots of facts.

Oakland - last in the AL in team batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, and OPS.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 07:27 PM
Oakland - last in the AL in team batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, and OPS.

You're right, they sure showed that last night. The point is poor pitching nets the results from last night, good pitching nets results like they had against Liriano.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Way to come out of that Frankie, more than one way to skin a cat (not endorsing that for the politically correct crowd).

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 07:33 PM
Too easy fellas, to eager to swing at junk, make him work.

ltwedt
06-05-2012, 07:33 PM
Please tell me how playing Mast... Makes ANY sense at all. Revere has been playing well - is this just Gardy being Gardy?

ashburyjohn
06-05-2012, 07:41 PM
more than one way to skin a cat (not endorsing that for the politically correct crowd).

How do you feel about straw men instead?

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-05-2012, 07:47 PM
What the hell was that, Butera?

IdahoPilgrim
06-05-2012, 07:49 PM
You're right, they sure showed that last night. The point is poor pitching nets the results from last night, good pitching nets results like they had against Liriano.

**sigh** Just because they had a good night does not mean they are a good hitting team; they just had a good or lucky day. When a blind squirrel finds an acorn, it doesn't mean the squirrel is no longer blind; it just had a good or lucky day. Hence the analogy.

And the thesis others are making is that Frankie's numbers last outing might not have looked so good if he had faced a team that consistently hits better - such as Texas. Some of the pitches that got by Oakland hitters for strikes might have been put into play by a stronger lineup. We know from bitter experience earlier this season that sometimes anemic hitting can make even questionable pitching look good. That's why some of us are waiting to see if the results are reproduceable before we proclaim that Liriano is back.

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-05-2012, 07:53 PM
Bruce Chen's pickoff move is about as close as a pitcher can get to balking, without actually balking. Some of those are pretty borderline.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 08:04 PM
**sigh** Just because they had a good night does not mean they are a good hitting team; they just had a good or lucky day. When a blind squirrel finds an acorn, it doesn't mean the squirrel is no longer blind; it just had a good or lucky day. Hence the analogy.

And the thesis others are making is that Frankie's numbers last outing might not have looked so good if he had faced a team that consistently hits better - such as Texas. Some of the pitches that got by Oakland hitters for strikes might have been put into play by a stronger lineup. We know from bitter experience earlier this season that sometimes anemic hitting can make even questionable pitching look good. That's why some of us are waiting to see if the results are reproduceable before we proclaim that Liriano is back.


Sigh, he had a good game, stop the over analysis, that's all it is.

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-05-2012, 08:08 PM
Judging by this game, Bruce Chen is a dominating, Cy Young Award candidate.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 08:13 PM
That is good pitching.

deanlambrecht
06-05-2012, 08:42 PM
Here's some actual analysis about Liriano's last start, and what made it particularly good: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/can-liriano-stay-down-in-the-zone-again/

mike wants wins
06-05-2012, 08:48 PM
But if the game ended tonight, he'd get a loss. Such a stupid stat....glad to see him pitching well again. I don't care who it is against, it's good to see him pitch well.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 08:50 PM
Here's some actual analysis about Liriano's last start, and what made it particularly good: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/can-liriano-stay-down-in-the-zone-again/

Great stuff and anyone who actually saw the game would come to the same conclusion. I wonder what the issue will be tonight from the glass half empty crowd.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 09:01 PM
Let's string some hits together, we can't afford to waste pitching like this.

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 09:07 PM
Come on guys, let's get a run. When we get pitching performances like this, especially from a guy who has been struggling, we have got to come through with some runs.

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 09:08 PM
Come on Span, let's take advantage of the extra out this inning!

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 09:09 PM
Carroll and Dozier have all 4 of our hits. Let's pick up the slack.

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 09:13 PM
2-4 hitters coming up in the 9th. Time for Willingham and Morneau to do some damage!

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 09:27 PM
Nice line shot by the Hammer. Time for Justin to drive him in.

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-05-2012, 09:30 PM
Not pinch-running for Willingham.....I don't get it.

USAFChief
06-05-2012, 09:31 PM
Is morneau's wrist hurting again? He has had some ugly swings.

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 09:35 PM
Is morneau's wrist hurting again? He has had some ugly swings.

Bremer just mentioned that it looked like he might have tweaked it an earlier at-bat.

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 09:36 PM
Dang it. That was a pretty good poke by Plouffe, but it was not to be.

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-05-2012, 09:36 PM
1-0 losses are the worst.

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 09:37 PM
doumit first pitch swinging after a walk, not good discipline, too bad, pitching got it done tonight.

glunn
06-05-2012, 09:39 PM
Let's hope that Liriano can keep up the good pitching.

Dilligaf69
06-05-2012, 09:43 PM
Bremer just mentioned that it looked like he might have tweaked it an earlier at-bat.

Please NO!

twinsnorth49
06-05-2012, 09:51 PM
Bremer just mentioned that it looked like he might have tweaked it an earlier at-bat.

He took a pretty good cut at that one he just hit foul of left field. Bremer was also calling 75 mph fastballs by Chen.

BD57
06-05-2012, 10:08 PM
Most frustrating sequence (for me): Dozier on 1st, Butera pops up the sacrifice bunt (one out), followed immediately by Dozier getting picked off (2 outs), followed by Carroll single. Do your jobs & Carroll drives Dozier in ... maybe we win, maybe we're still playing.

Would like to see some of this fundamentally sound "Twins baseball(tm)" we keep hearing about. ....

glunn
06-05-2012, 10:48 PM
Most frustrating sequence (for me): Dozier on 1st, Butera pops up the sacrifice bunt (one out), followed immediately by Dozier getting picked off (2 outs), followed by Carroll single. Do your jobs & Carroll drives Dozier in ... maybe we win, maybe we're still playing.

Would like to see some of this fundamentally sound "Twins baseball(tm)" we keep hearing about. ....

I am glad that I missed that inning.

TwinsGuy55422
06-05-2012, 11:17 PM
1-0 losses are the worst.

Agreed. Nothing worse than not picking up your pitchers when they give you a great performance. 12-11 losses are frustrating in their own right, but at least in a game like you're not left saying if we only could have gotten a couple of runs.