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glunn
06-02-2012, 07:51 PM
Denard Span CF
Ben Revere RF
Joe Mauer C
Josh Willimgham LF
Justin Morneau 1B
Ryan Doumit DH
Dozier SS
Carrol 2B
Plouffe - 3B
Sp- P.J. (the "Wall") Walters

glunn
06-02-2012, 07:54 PM
Nature abhors a vacuum, so I am creating this thread for today's game. I wish that I could figure out how to edit the title because I forgot to add the date, which is 6/2/12

glunn
06-02-2012, 07:56 PM
Where is everyone? Too depressed after yesterday's game?

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-02-2012, 08:33 PM
Where is everyone? Too depressed after yesterday's game?

I just started watching. Weird start time kind of threw me off. Nice to see Mauer hit one out.....although it would be even nicer to see a Twins starter get through 5 complete innings every once in a while.

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-02-2012, 08:39 PM
I just started watching. Weird start time kind of threw me off. Nice to see Mauer hit one out.....although it would be even nicer to see a Twins starter get through 5 complete innings every once in a while.

Wait, tomorrow's game has the unusual start time, not today's. Disregard my previous post...I'm still getting use to living in the Pacific Time Zone.

glunn
06-02-2012, 08:40 PM
I just started watching. Weird start time kind of threw me off. Nice to see Mauer hit one out.....although it would be even nicer to see a Twins starter get through 5 complete innings every once in a while.

Glad to see you NTF. The game is not in my cable package today so I am "watching" on cbssportsline.com. It's not easy being a Twins fan in California.

Did Mauer hit it far?

glunn
06-02-2012, 08:41 PM
Wait, tomorrow's game has the unusual start time, not today's. Disregard my previous post...I'm still getting use to living in the Pacific Time Zone.

You are in Seattle?

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-02-2012, 08:45 PM
Glad to see you NTF. The game is not in my cable package today so I am "watching" on cbssportsline.com. It's not easy being a Twins fan in California.

Did Mauer hit it far?

I'm actually following the game online as well.....I usually watch the games on MLB.com, but it's blacked out today for some reason. I live just north of Seattle. What part of California do you live in?

glunn
06-02-2012, 08:48 PM
I'm actually following the game online as well.....I usually watch the games on MLB.com, but it's blacked out today for some reason. I live just north of Seattle. What part of California do you live in?

Beverly Hills - swimmin pools, movie stars and not enough Twins games. This blackout sucks.

gil4
06-02-2012, 08:48 PM
Nice inning by Burton. Hopefully we can get to Capps with at least this three-run lead. It won't feel safe, but it will feel as close to safe as we can hope for.

nicksaviking
06-02-2012, 08:52 PM
I would like some physicist to explain to all of us how that Mauer HR made it out of the park. I don't know if I've ever seen a ball with that low of a trajectory make it over the fence. That line drive shows that Mauer still has plenty of power, normally his swing just does not naturally take advantage of it.

Nice to see Plouffe perk up. Two run producing hits and unbelievably only one was a HR. Boy would it be nice if he could find away to be a short term answer at 3B.

glunn
06-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Nice inning by Burton. Hopefully we can get to Capps with at least this three-run lead. It won't feel safe, but it will feel as close to safe as we can hope for.

Another couple of runs in the top of the 9th would be nice. The top of the order is hitting today.

NorthwestTwinsFan
06-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Beverly Hills - swimmin pools, movie stars and not enough Twins games. This blackout sucks.

Oh yeah, I guess it says "Beverly Hills" right there on your location.

Hopefully the Twins can tack on a run or two. No lead ever feels safe this season.

glunn
06-02-2012, 09:02 PM
Hopefully the Twins can tack on a run or two. No lead ever feels safe this season.

The Twins need to beat the Indians at least once this year, and today seems like a good day to do that.

glunn
06-02-2012, 09:08 PM
Is Mauer going for the league record in GIDPs?

glunn
06-02-2012, 09:21 PM
Twins WIN. Nice game even though the Wall struggled.

nicksaviking
06-02-2012, 09:30 PM
37 GiDP's will be tough to reach, but he might be stubborn enough to do it. The defense plays him right up the middle because that is obviously his preference. The 2B is giving plenty of room on his 1B side if Mauer would only try to pull the ball. Of course he could avoid the infielders all together if he would stop thinking that a 58% groundball, 18% flyball rate is the key to winning a batting title. A 25-29% flyball rate won him batting titles in the past, I don't know what has changed the last two years. His three seasons where his groundball rate was +50% were the only seasons he did not hit over .300.

Bark's Lounge
06-02-2012, 09:35 PM
Boy would it be nice if he could find away to be a short term answer at 3B.

As of now, for the most part, he pretty much is. For the season I really do believe he will hit over .230 even though some might find that hard to imagine. He has power and has been okay at 3B (except for a couple "In your face" mistakes). I have pimped Plouffe way to much, but I still believe he can be an answer, rather than a player who creates a question because of his performance. Keep throwing him out at the hot corner - let's make our final judgement in October.

Montecore
06-02-2012, 09:51 PM
Beverly Hills - swimmin pools, movie stars and not enough Twins games. This blackout sucks.

I'm in Malibu across the street from Geoffrey's. 4 2/3 scoreless relief, not bad.

Riverbrian
06-02-2012, 09:54 PM
As of now, for the most part, he pretty much is. For the season I really do believe he will hit over .230 even though some might find that hard to imagine. He has power and has been okay at 3B (except for a couple "In your face" mistakes). I have pimped Plouffe way to much, but I still believe he can be an answer, rather than a player who creates a question because of his performance. Keep throwing him out at the hot corner - let's make our final judgement in October.

I think he can do it. I don't see high average but I do see pop potential and I think he will find that stroke. At least I hope he finds that stroke. MLB pitchers are tough and he has to even up those battles he had been losing.

stringer bell
06-02-2012, 09:59 PM
As of now, for the most part, he pretty much is. For the season I really do believe he will hit over .230 even though some might find that hard to imagine. He has power and has been okay at 3B (except for a couple "In your face" mistakes). I have pimped Plouffe way to much, but I still believe he can be an answer, rather than a player who creates a question because of his performance. Keep throwing him out at the hot corner - let's make our final judgement in October.I pretty much agree. Plouffe hasn't been glaringly bad at third--in particular he has thrown much better from third than short--and he has hit several long balls. If he gets his BA considerably north of the Mendoza line, he could be a real contributor. Plouffe fills a glaring need in Twins position player--RH power.

glunn
06-02-2012, 10:07 PM
37 GiDP's will be tough to reach, but he might be stubborn enough to do it. The defense plays him right up the middle because that is obviously his preference. The 2B is giving plenty of room on his 1B side if Mauer would only try to pull the ball. Of course he could avoid the infielders all together if he would stop thinking that a 58% groundball, 18% flyball rate is the key to winning a batting title. A 25-29% flyball rate won him batting titles in the past, I don't know what has changed the last two years. His three seasons where his groundball rate was +50% were the only seasons he did not hit over .300.

Great analysis, Nick. It explains a lot.

glunn
06-02-2012, 10:08 PM
I'm in Malibu across the street from Geoffrey's. 4 2/3 scoreless relief, not bad.

We should start a Los Angeles county Twins fan group.

Bark's Lounge
06-02-2012, 10:11 PM
I think he can do it. I don't see high average but I do see pop potential and I think he will find that stroke. At least I hope he finds that stroke. MLB pitchers are tough and he has to even up those battles he had been losing.

Repetition is the key. Without playing him almost everyday we will never know. Let him bat against tough RHP's, throw him into the fire, let us figure out who Plouffe really is.

jm3319
06-02-2012, 10:43 PM
I would like some physicist to explain to all of us how that Mauer HR made it out of the park. I don't know if I've ever seen a ball with that low of a trajectory make it over the fence. That line drive shows that Mauer still has plenty of power, normally his swing just does not naturally take advantage of it.

I'm not physicist, but I'll give it a try: He hit the ball and it had a certain height, which happened to be higher than the outfield wall, at the precise moment that the ball crossed the plane of the outfield fence during the ball's trajectory. This is remarkably similar to roughly 100% of other homeruns ever hit anywhere.

I also live in LA, near USC. Glad to see I'm not the only poor Twins fan stuck out here, although we're not missing much this season.

ashburyjohn
06-02-2012, 10:49 PM
As of now, for the most part, he pretty much is. For the season I really do believe he will hit over .230 even though some might find that hard to imagine.

A week or so ago I had thought about posting something to the effect that Plouffe could well end up with a better BA than Dozier by the end of the season.

nicksaviking
06-02-2012, 10:52 PM
I'm not physicist, but I'll give it a try: He hit the ball and it had a certain height, which happened to be higher than the outfield wall, at the precise moment that the ball crossed the plane of the outfield fence during the ball's trajectory. This is remarkably similar to roughly 100% of other homeruns ever hit anywhere.

I also live in LA, near USC. Glad to see I'm not the only poor Twins fan stuck out here, although we're not missing much this season.

Clearly you did not watch the game as the ball at no point appeared higher than the outfield fence. At this time a higher power is the only explanation. Still waiting on the physicist. Californian arm-chair scientists can continue to speculate without a thesis and theoretical proof.

Bark's Lounge
06-02-2012, 11:47 PM
A week or so ago I had thought about posting something to the effect that Plouffe could well end up with a better BA than Dozier by the end of the season.

You should have! I would have been a first responder defending your article. I don't know how it has happened, but I have become a Plouffetivist. I guess there are worse things. My guess is that they will indeed end up with a similar BA - hopefully closer to .250 than .200.

glunn
06-03-2012, 12:36 AM
Nice one, Bark -- "Plouffetivist" -- we should start a baseball academy that teaches Plouffetism.

Bark's Lounge
06-03-2012, 12:51 AM
Nice one, Bark -- "Plouffetivist" -- we should start a baseball academy that teaches Plouffetism.

I hope I get to be a professor at this academy.:)

glunn
06-03-2012, 12:59 AM
I hope I get to be a professor at this academy.:)

You can, but only if I can teach Sanology.

Bark's Lounge
06-03-2012, 01:13 AM
You can, but only if I can teach Sanology.

I can do that!

Bark's Lounge
06-03-2012, 01:17 AM
I can do that!

Oops... I read your response too quickly: Of course you can! I hope I have some students in my classes!

glunn
06-03-2012, 01:56 AM
Now we just need someone to teach Doumitism.

Bark's Lounge
06-03-2012, 02:17 AM
Maybe Mike Piazza is up to the challenge. I have the feeling that a Mauernomics class might need to be included.

ashburyjohn
06-13-2012, 06:34 PM
A week or so ago I had thought about posting something to the effect that Plouffe could well end up with a better BA than Dozier by the end of the season.


You should have! I would have been a first responder defending your article. I don't know how it has happened, but I have become a Plouffetivist. I guess there are worse things. My guess is that they will indeed end up with a similar BA - hopefully closer to .250 than .200.

I didn't think it would happen so soon, and things could still fluctuate for a while or even reverse, but as of this morning, we had Plouffe=.231 and Dozier=.227.

Bark's Lounge
06-13-2012, 07:15 PM
I didn't think it would happen so soon, and things could still fluctuate for a while or even reverse, but as of this morning, we had Plouffe=.231 and Dozier=.227.

I agree. Plouffe has had a meteoric rise the last few weeks. As you pretty much said - I am sure there will be some ups and downs throughout this season for both, but I still think/hope they will both be around .250 at the end of this race. Plouffe has been something else offensively and he has done well at third also. It will be interesting at the end of the season to see what his stats are. I'd definitely have to say 20HRs are in play big time... hopefully more.