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Thrylos
06-01-2012, 01:17 PM
Michael Bowden was DFA'd again by the Cubs. I am convinced that his issues are coming from the pen. Boston (and how Chicago) have been trying to convert him to a reliever. We are talking for a guy who has a career: 3.27 ERA, 1.155 WHIP, 7.1 K/9 and 2.38 K/BB in 3 AAA seasons. That K/9 would put him on the top 3 in the Twins' organization. He is just 25. Has been on the top 100 BA prospect list 3 times. He just started 2 games in the majors before Boston gave up. He is out of options

Here is what I am thinking: with the Twins' rotation in 2013 up for grabs, why not look at the future, sign Bowden, DFA Gray, and have him be in the pen the rest of the season, converting him into a starter in 2013. Cannot harm anything. Just not many 2013 options there

mike wants wins
06-01-2012, 01:28 PM
I endorse this plan.

Top Gun
06-01-2012, 01:31 PM
I would not do that to Gray.

travistwinstalk
06-01-2012, 01:32 PM
what is your problem with Gray he has been very consistant this year besides a couple bad outings, but I trust him as a solid middle reliever. For 2013 I don't think it is as bad as it sounds for the rotation. Hendriks and Diamond appear like locks with Gibson, Walters, and Swarzak as options. Then you add to fact that if the Twins keep the same payroll they will have 35 million to spend with most of it likely going to starting pitching. I may be on an island but i think the twins can contend in 2013 if they use their money wisely this winter.

travistwinstalk
06-01-2012, 01:34 PM
I was in favor of Bowden earlier but he got a chance and had an Era almost 7 so I don't think it is a slam dunk case. Would I still claim probably but if they didn't I won't rip on the Twins.

TwinsGuy55422
06-01-2012, 01:46 PM
I think he would be worth a shot.

Rosterman
06-01-2012, 01:56 PM
The Cubs pulled off a trade to override the claims of others. Will be interesting to see if he does get thru waivers again. The Twins have the 40-man spots, they just have to keep him in the majors. Yes, he should start. (Always thought the package of Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden was a good one bandered about regarding Santana -- truth, don't know...but the Twins didn't want Crisp). Wpuld I replace Walters or Diamond with him? Not today. Do I want to lose Burton or Gray yet, probably not. Is Brunett worthy of optioning out -- well, he has pitched good. I'm not letting go of Swarzak. How do I keep him around. How, how, how. Maybe if Pavano tanks and goes on the DL we can find a place. Yes, I want him as a Twin. But not sure how you can really keep him on the roster.

Chance
06-01-2012, 03:28 PM
Send de vries down that makes a spot and I wouldn't mind never seeing Blackburn in a twins uniform again

Top Gun
06-01-2012, 03:38 PM
I would send Manship back down.

snepp
06-01-2012, 03:58 PM
Jeff Gray is quietly building himself a bit of a cult following. When was the last time a lousy reliever generated so much support?

Nick Nelson
06-01-2012, 04:06 PM
The Cubs pulled off a trade to override the claims of others. Will be interesting to see if he does get thru waivers again. The Twins have the 40-man spots, they just have to keep him in the majors. Yes, he should start. (Always thought the package of Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden was a good one bandered about regarding Santana -- truth, don't know...but the Twins didn't want Crisp). Wpuld I replace Walters or Diamond with him? Not today. Do I want to lose Burton or Gray yet, probably not. Is Brunett worthy of optioning out -- well, he has pitched good. I'm not letting go of Swarzak. How do I keep him around. How, how, how. Maybe if Pavano tanks and goes on the DL we can find a place. Yes, I want him as a Twin. But not sure how you can really keep him on the roster.
Are you seriously having this much trouble finding someone you're willing to part with from a pitching staff that is the worst in baseball by a wide margin?

YourHouseIsMyHouse
06-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Jeff Gray is quietly building himself a bit of a cult following. When was the last time a lousy reliever generated so much support?

Amen. I don't understand why there is a Jeff Gray fan club of sorts. He's a mediocre journeyman reliever with an awful 1.34 WHIP (1.468 Career) and poor K/9 career rate of 5.3. He's 30 and not getting any better. Let someone else who is getting better and has earned a shot pitch. I'd remove Manship and Gray from the 25 man roster in favor of Bowden and Slama.

Chance
06-01-2012, 04:48 PM
If the problem is bowden as a reliever than why are we getting ride of a pen guy to make room for him? If you want him start get ride of a starter. De vries is the clear choice if you want Bowden.

USAFChief
06-01-2012, 05:09 PM
If the problem is bowden as a reliever than why are we getting ride of a pen guy to make room for him? If you want him start get ride of a starter. De vries is the clear choice if you want Bowden.

Yeah, if indeed you need a spot for a pitcher, it's not rocket surgery to find said spot.

Rosterman
06-01-2012, 05:56 PM
But you need him in the rotation -- hopefully. Replaces Blackburn? Yes, I wish the Twins would eat the salary and say bye-bye (shades of Carlos Silva) but they won't. Yes, he could fill the Manship role. I do perdict Gray and Burton will depart at some point, but the Twins will keep them as long as possible, for some insane reason.

snepp
06-01-2012, 08:21 PM
Another bullpen-related head scratcher, why is Burton routinely getting mentioned in the same breath as Gray.


One is clearly not like the other, at least it should be clear.

USAFChief
06-01-2012, 08:26 PM
Another bullpen-related head scratcher, why is Burton routinely getting mentioned in the same breath as Gray.


One is clearly not like the other, at least it should be clear.

Yup. Gray has 3 wins. Burton 0. Clearly, Gray is way more valuable.

snepp
06-01-2012, 08:54 PM
Yup. Gray has 3 wins. Burton 0. Clearly, Gray is way more valuable.

0 saves.

They're no Matt Capps.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
06-01-2012, 11:03 PM
Yup. Gray has 3 wins. Burton 0. Clearly, Gray is way more valuable.

It's ridiculous that you think wins are an important pitcher stat. Especially for relievers who have to get lucky to get them. Burton can strike people out, has a better track record, better ERA, and keeps runners off the base paths (.915 WHIP).

Personally, I'd like to give Bowden a shot at starting, Devries moved to the long relief role, and Swarzak traded. Hard to do that all at once, but it's a pretty good scenario.

USAFChief
06-01-2012, 11:10 PM
It's ridiculous that you think wins are an important pitcher stat. Especially for relievers who have to get lucky to get them. Burton can strike people out, has a better track record, better ERA, and keeps runners off the base paths (.915 WHIP).

Personally, I'd like to give Bowden a shot at starting, Devries moved to the long relief role, and Swarzak traded. Hard to do that all at once, but it's a pretty good scenario.

It's possible your snark detection equipment isn't fully functional.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
06-01-2012, 11:15 PM
It's possible your snark detection equipment isn't fully functional.

I don't understand sarcasm on the internet. I can't sense tone and emotion behind a computer screen. My bad.

syves
06-01-2012, 11:28 PM
Definitely take a flyer on him, he has some potential.

You know who else hasn't gotten an opportunity. Anthony Slama. Sorry, had to add that because I feel like everything on this site has to come back to Slama not getting called up.

Riverbrian
06-02-2012, 12:37 AM
The Twins should collect arms like a Northern Idaho Militia.

I think Epstein trading with his former team to acquire him speaks volumes and I think Epstein Designating 25 year old Bowden for assignment shortly after kinda unspeaks those volumes. Especially for a 29 year old so so replacement.

However, in the name of arm collection. I'd sign him.

Bark's Lounge
06-02-2012, 12:52 AM
The Twins should collect arms like a Northern Idaho Militia.

I think Epstein trading with his former team to acquire him speaks volumes and I think Epstein Designating 25 year old Bowden for assignment shortly after kinda unspeaks those volumes. Especially for a 29 year old so so replacement.

However, in the name of arm collection. I'd sign him.

I agree 100%. The Cubs are a pretty awful team and if they cannot find a place to hide Bowden in their bullpen/Active Roster something must be amiss with him... right? On the flip side of the coin, if the Twins' F.O. doesn't have any info or dirt on Bowden - he is definitely worth taking a flyer on.

nicksaviking
06-04-2012, 08:09 PM
Surprisingly Bowden cleared waivers and the Cubs sent him to AAA. Not sure why the Twins are so eager to take chances former OF fringe prospects but not pitchers. How strong does Ryn think this staff is that no one was expendable?

snepp
06-04-2012, 10:24 PM
Behold the awesomeness that is Jeff Gray, the untouchable!



Someone, please, explain to me the fascination with this guy?

darin617
06-04-2012, 10:33 PM
Surprisingly Bowden cleared waivers and the Cubs sent him to AAA. Not sure why the Twins are so eager to take chances former OF fringe prospects but not pitchers. How strong does Ryn think this staff is that no one was expendable?

Exactly, they should have dumped Gray and claimed Bowden. They could have gave him a shot and at worst they could have sent him through waivers again and sent him to our AAA. Way to focus Mr. Ryan.

lecroy24fan
06-04-2012, 10:49 PM
If bowden is that good, why did he clear waivers?