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spideyo
05-28-2012, 05:21 PM
After today, 1/3 of his hit are home runs. Normally, that would be an awesome stat, but after going 1 for 4 today, he is now 15 for 94. He actually RAISED his BA to .159. So...what's up with that?

Riverbrian
05-28-2012, 05:37 PM
Plouffe has the talent to make pitchers pay for mistakes. However, in MLB, the pitchers don't make enough mistakes to live on. Plouffe unfortunately spends the majority of his at-bats chasing the pitch the pitcher wants him to chase.

Plouffe is clearly a kid with potential that just has not developed to match that potential. 25 years old and he's still a stiff infielder with poor footwork and he struggles with plate discipline.

He could come around but the light bulb has to come on. He's kinda Liriano like at that plate. You can see the frustration in his posture at times like Liriano but when something accidentally goes right you can see that potential like Liriano.

Plate Discipline has killed many with potential and squashed many promising MLB Dreams.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-28-2012, 05:38 PM
He has an extremely low BABIP that is at .152. So in addition to not being very good, he has had some abysmal luck as well.

Bark's Lounge
05-28-2012, 06:21 PM
All Plouffe has show in the bigs is an inability to be defensively worthwhile and to show some HR pop while hitting poorly. This being said I still believe that Plouffe still can turn the corner. There's nothing not to like about a 20HR pop type of player who can play all of the IF positions and the Corner OF positions. Good progress needs to be seen this season to justify his worth. He has another 4 months to prove it. The book is not finished on Plouffe.

Dilligaf69
05-28-2012, 06:33 PM
All Plouffe has show in the bigs is an inability to be defensively worthwhile and to show some HR pop while hitting poorly. This being said I still believe that Plouffe still can turn the corner. There's nothing not to like about a 20HR pop type of player who can play all of the IF positions and the Corner OF positions. Good progress needs to be seen this season to justify his worth. He has another 4 months to prove it. The book is not finished on Plouffe.


Yeah i would agree...just have to keep running him out there everyday. RF or 3B is where he should be when he's playing.

Bark's Lounge
05-28-2012, 06:43 PM
RF or 3B is where he should be when he's playing.

Most definitely!

TwinsTakes-RD
05-28-2012, 07:07 PM
So, does this mean you believe Plouffe is a utility player? How much longer can you go with a guy who isn't hitting and doesn't play very good defense and now doesn't really have a position! I've kind of thought that there's no reason that Plouffe couldn't become a Cuddyer-like player with his defense and be a decent hitter. He probably will never have the intangibles Cuddy has (leadership, community service, MAGIC) but he could probably learn RF and get better at it. But is Plouffe getting more playing time than he deserves? Should someone else be playing instead of him? When should the Twins cut their losses with Plouffe?

spideyo
05-28-2012, 07:32 PM
I think at this point, as long as Revere is hitting above the Mendoza line Plouffe is not going to have a spot in the outfield. So basically, we're going to be stuck dealing with his sloppy 3b work 7-8 innings a night, at least until Valencia or Burroughs can earn their way back up to the bigs. At that point, Plouffe is going to become a backup or trade bait. I really would be surprised if he actually improves enough this year to make it worth keeping him around for the future.

Bark's Lounge
05-28-2012, 07:34 PM
So, does this mean you believe Plouffe is a utility player? How much longer can you go with a guy who isn't hitting and doesn't play very good defense and now doesn't really have a position! I've kind of thought that there's no reason that Plouffe couldn't become a Cuddyer-like player with his defense and be a decent hitter. He probably will never have the intangibles Cuddy has (leadership, community service, MAGIC) but he could probably learn RF and get better at it. But is Plouffe getting more playing time than he deserves? Should someone else be playing instead of him? When should the Twins cut their losses with Plouffe?

It is up to Plouffe to decide what kind of player he is. In a season of failure and low expectations, there is no better time to throw Plouffe out there day in and day out. I like him at 3B. I suppose you could throw Jamey Carroll out there as a 38 year old journeyman, I am sure Carroll plays a big part in the Twin's future success 3-5 years down the road. Maybe Casilla? Maybe Valencia? Plouffe is out of options and I think he deserves this year to show he can do it. The afforementioned players (excluding Plouffe) are not the answer. Plouffe may not be the answer, but I sure would like to see him have an ample opportunity to prove that is the case. The 2012 season should be his to show, or not show he can cut it.

TwinsTakes-RD
05-28-2012, 08:59 PM
I don't think he's a 3B or an infielder at all. I only see him in the outfield and if he's an outfielder, when does he get playing time? I don't think you can take Ben Revere out of the lineup for Plouffe in the outfield and the Twins have the most prospects in the outfield. Is the answer trading Denard Span and moving Revere to CF? Shouldn't they be looking to trade Span anyways with the need for starting pitching?

minn55441
05-28-2012, 10:04 PM
I don't think he's a 3B or an infielder at all. I only see him in the outfield and if he's an outfielder, when does he get playing time? I don't think you can take Ben Revere out of the lineup for Plouffe in the outfield and the Twins have the most prospects in the outfield. Is the answer trading Denard Span and moving Revere to CF? Shouldn't they be looking to trade Span anyways with the need for starting pitching?

Exactly! Plouffe is not an infielder. If we are going to give him a chance, give him some consistent playing time in the outfield. I think Bennie also deserves a chance to play everyday. I wouldn't be surprised to see Span, Doumit and the Hammer all traded for some pitching. I think the market will heat up as the trade deadline approaches. The real question is who will earn a spot on the opening day 2014 roster?

Other than Mauer, who will still be around in 2014?
Dozier is the next most likely to still be on the team. Other than those two, I really don't see anyone with a better than 50% chance of still being around in 2 years. I think Terry plans to clean house. Every position will be replaced by youth inside the organization or in some cases a select veteran free agent signing, where we don't have any internal options available.

jorgenswest
05-28-2012, 10:30 PM
He has an extremely low BABIP that is at .152. So in addition to not being very good, he has had some abysmal luck as well.

Given ordinary luck according to BAbip, would his expected batting numbers be worthy of a longer look at 3B or RF?

Of the 250 players with 100 PA, Plouffe ranks 250 in BAbip. BAbip isn't entirely luck. Catchers often populate the bottom 10. Currently the bottom 10 includes 5 catchers, Scott Rolen and Ike Davis. Plouffe, Weeks and Raburn are also there. For them, I think it is extraordinarily bad luck.

cr9617
05-28-2012, 11:30 PM
After today, 1/3 of his hit are home runs. Normally, that would be an awesome stat, but after going 1 for 4 today, he is now 15 for 94. He actually RAISED his BA to .159. So...what's up with that?

What's up with Plouffe? He isn't very good.....

glunn
05-28-2012, 11:55 PM
Plouffe has been a shortstop for most of his career. You would think that he would be able to play third base. My sense is that he has the tools, but lacks the focus.

clutterheart
05-29-2012, 12:10 AM
Plouffe's best asset has always bee potential. He kept getting promoted and was always young for his level. Now he is 25, out of options and near his prime with poor stats his whole career.
My guess is he will finish the year with the Twins, be a bench player next year. Get cut and then hit his stride when turns 27 for some other team.

TwinsTakes-RD
05-29-2012, 12:26 AM
The Twins even said before the season that Plouffe would focus on the outfield as his position and now they are starting to put him at 3rd base. He played 3B in the minors in 76 games with 68 of those coming in 2007 & 2008! So 8 games at 3rd base in 3 seasons in the minors and the Twins are going to put him there in the majors? I'd rather see them bring up Burroughs and give him a shot and send Mastroianni down.

jimbo92107
05-29-2012, 08:33 AM
Plouffe apparently has decided that when he swings, he's going to swing very hard.
The rest is all about deciding when to swing, which is difficult.

Top Gun
05-29-2012, 08:39 AM
Plouffe is coming on a bit the last week, he might get it going yet. Keep working!

mike wants wins
05-29-2012, 08:44 AM
He should be playing every day, so they get a better sense of what he can/cannot do in the future. But this team has not really committed to either winning, or playing the youth, imo.

spideyo
05-29-2012, 10:50 AM
It seems like he has been playing just about every day since Valencia got sent down. And he's not getting better. Why would you think a whole season of throwing him to the wolves is suddenly going to make him blossom into a better player than he's ever been? Remember, his minor league stats were for the most part unimpressive

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-29-2012, 10:58 AM
Given ordinary luck according to BAbip, would his expected batting numbers be worthy of a longer look at 3B or RF?

Of the 250 players with 100 PA, Plouffe ranks 250 in BAbip. BAbip isn't entirely luck. Catchers often populate the bottom 10. Currently the bottom 10 includes 5 catchers, Scott Rolen and Ike Davis. Plouffe, Weeks and Raburn are also there. For them, I think it is extraordinarily bad luck.

I believe the average mark is .300 for BABIP. Plouffe has always been well below that mark, but when it's that low I have to imagine that there is some bad luck involved. Last year his was .286 which is slightly below average, but reasonable since he isn't much of a line drive hitter. In that season, he was hitting .238. I think it's possible that he could hit for a line like this: .245/.340/.395 If he can get his glove in order, Plouffe isn't too bad an option at 3B. Although, he wouldn't be an asset either. For a RF? Not a chance.

whydidnt
05-29-2012, 11:19 AM
I think they just need to play him and see if he can adjust and improve or not. The HR's show he's got some talent, but like others have posted, if he can't manage the strike zone, he'll never be a quality MLB regular because his glove is so suspect. Let's not forget Cuddyer was very mediocre with the bat his first 3 years with the Twins, and turned into a solid every day player...he wasn't as bad as Plouffe, but if Plouffe somehow turn's into a poor man's Cuddyer, that would be pretty good for this version of the Twins.

TwinsTakes-RD
05-29-2012, 12:19 PM
Something seemed to click for Plouffe in AAA last season and that has to be why they are keeping him around! In the last 7 days, he's hitting .200 (3-15) and has played in 4 of the 7 games on those days. If they want to find out if he can play they need to play him every day! That might be the only good thing about losing like the Twins are right now. They can play these guys right now and see what they have so why are they giving him so many days off? If they don't trust putting him out there, they need to cut their losses and go with someone else. They are afraid to lose him for some reason or he would've been DFA'd a while ago. Komatsu has a brighter future than Plouffe especially as an outfielder.

Paul
05-29-2012, 01:13 PM
Plouffe apparently has decided that when he swings, he's going to swing very hard...


Plouffe apparently suscribes to the Torri Hunter/Tom Brunansky/Harmon Killebrew school of hitting..."swing hard in case you hit it". I see Plouffe being traded and returned to SS with another team. I see him with a "JJ Hardy light" ceiling. I think he'll settle in and stick with some team because they'll see just enough to keep runnin' him out there.

cr9617
05-29-2012, 02:57 PM
Plouffe apparently suscribes to the Torri Hunter/Tom Brunansky/Harmon Killebrew school of hitting..."swing hard in case you hit it". I see Plouffe being traded and returned to SS with another team. I see him with a "JJ Hardy light" ceiling. I think he'll settle in and stick with some team because they'll see just enough to keep runnin' him out there.

I honestly don't think any team has Plouffe on their radar. And they certainly wouldn't see him as SS material. He's incompetent....

adjacent
05-29-2012, 03:13 PM
I honestly don't think any team has Plouffe on their radar. And they certainly wouldn't see him as SS material. He's incompetent....
Yes, I agree. Pretty much the only comparison that can be make between Ploufffe and Hardy is that both can hit home runs. Defensively, is night and day.

snepp
05-29-2012, 04:23 PM
I believe the average mark is .300 for BABIP.

The league average BABIP is largely irrelevant for hitters, they all establish their own individual average.

Riverbrian
05-29-2012, 08:37 PM
Baseball is a game of luck at times but a large percentage of your luck is made by the hitter. Guess what... If you swing at the low and away pitch and try to pull it. You can make contact but your BABIP is gonna suck. If you have no discipline and let the pitcher lead you around by the nose. Your BABIP is gonna suck. BABIP is not a luck stat yet people like to use it like it is. I read things like he has a high BABIP so regression is expected and that's just over simplification and not true.

You have a high BABIP if you are hitting your pitch because you can drive the ball better. In the end... The screaming line drives that are caught and the bloops that fall in even out.

Plouffe is getting pushed around by the guy throwing the ball. He needs to improve his pitch selection and wait for the ball he can drive. When or if that happens you will have a real nice Outfielder who can do the utility player thing.

jorgenswest
05-29-2012, 09:11 PM
Our understanding of BAbip differs somewhat. My understanding is that BAbip correlates to line drive percentage. This year, Plouffe is near the bottom in that list also. There is an xBAbip calculation which puts him at around .235. So his combination of low line drive percentage thus far this year and poor luck has led to abysmal offensive numbers.

Plouffe has 471 plate appearances. At that number of plate appearances line drive rate (career 15%) does stabilize. BAbip doesn't stabilize even at 650 plate appearances. It is really impossible to use the data at this sample size to definitively say that Plouffe will not be a useful major league hitter. We might be able to say that about Valencia at this time.

Riverbrian
05-29-2012, 10:20 PM
BABIP for hitters is pretty simple. Take your hits and subtract the Homers and divide it by at bats minus homers, strikeouts and Sacrifices. Batting Average on balls in play.

No one was quoting expected BABIP until you put the X in front.

Heres the deal... I love the advanced metrics. I read them... I understand them and they make sense in the proper dose but if you hang your hat on them... Your hat will end up on the ground and get stepped on from time to time. For all you guys who base your opinions seemingly at the sole discretion of advanced metrics... You are sterilizing the game to a certain point. Watch the game. Baseball is so much more. Watch Plouffe... Plouffe swings at tough pitches. If Joey Votto swung at the pitches Plouffe dives at. Votto would have a low BABIP and the Reds would have traded for Lyle Overbay.

Using Metrics... Until you can properly explain the large swings from month to month or year to year. You can't rely on stats alone. No one can explain it with metrics. Try and explain Joe Mauer 2009 with his lifetime of work with stats... It can't be done. Adam Dunn 2011... Albert Pujols 2012. These swings are margin of error and the swings are elephant sized large. This isn't jackknife replication and election exit polling size margin of error. Use baseball metrics to predict the president and Ross Perot would have gotten taken seriously.

How does Mike Napoli go from an expected out April, May and June 2011 to unstoppable July, August, September the same year. The stats will tell you it happened but not the why and nothing in his previous seasons suggested that those 3 months were possible.

Even the Moneyball A's have figured this out and have lightened up on their use of metrics. They still use them but in the proper dose.

Plouffe swings at bad pitches more often then most... He's talented... He either learns better discipline or he gets thrown on the large scrap heap of baseball players who now own a bar.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-29-2012, 11:12 PM
Our understanding of BAbip differs somewhat. My understanding is that BAbip correlates to line drive percentage. This year, Plouffe is near the bottom in that list also. There is an xBAbip calculation which puts him at around .235. So his combination of low line drive percentage thus far this year and poor luck has led to abysmal offensive numbers.

Plouffe has 471 plate appearances. At that number of plate appearances line drive rate (career 15%) does stabilize. BAbip doesn't stabilize even at 650 plate appearances. It is really impossible to use the data at this sample size to definitively say that Plouffe will not be a useful major league hitter. We might be able to say that about Valencia at this time.

I don't like BABIP as much for batters as I do pitchers. I just thought it was notable, because it's flat out ridiculous. And as RiverBrian said, I wasn't paying much attention to xBABIP, but I did mention that Plouffe would likely be below the MLB average BABIP (which you confirmed).

twinsnorth49
05-30-2012, 01:21 AM
BABIP for hitters is pretty simple. Take your hits and subtract the Homers and divide it by at bats minus homers, strikeouts and Sacrifices. Batting Average on balls in play.

No one was quoting expected BABIP until you put the X in front.

Heres the deal... I love the advanced metrics. I read them... I understand them and they make sense in the proper dose but if you hang your hat on them... Your hat will end up on the ground and get stepped on from time to time. For all you guys who base your opinions seemingly at the sole discretion of advanced metrics... You are sterilizing the game to a certain point. Watch the game. Baseball is so much more. Watch Plouffe... Plouffe swings at tough pitches. If Joey Votto swung at the pitches Plouffe dives at. Votto would have a low BABIP and the Reds would have traded for Lyle Overbay.

Using Metrics... Until you can properly explain the large swings from month to month or year to year. You can't rely on stats alone. No one can explain it with metrics. Try and explain Joe Mauer 2009 with his lifetime of work with stats... It can't be done. Adam Dunn 2011... Albert Pujols 2012. These swings are margin of error and the swings are elephant sized large. This isn't jackknife replication and election exit polling size margin of error. Use baseball metrics to predict the president and Ross Perot would have gotten taken seriously.

How does Mike Napoli go from an expected out April, May and June 2011 to unstoppable July, August, September the same year. The stats will tell you it happened but not the why and nothing in his previous seasons suggested that those 3 months were possible.

Even the Moneyball A's have figured this out and have lightened up on their use of metrics. They still use them but in the proper dose.

Plouffe swings at bad pitches more often then most... He's talented... He either learns better discipline or he gets thrown on the large scrap heap of baseball players who now own a bar.

Yep squared, that's how I feel. Metrics are an interesting read from time to time but I wouldn't go near them with 30 foot pole while actually watching and enjoying a baseball game. I wonder what the sabre dudes were thinking when Hammer jacked that walk off over the wall tonight?.............That's not supposed to happen in the 9th with 2 on and 2 out in May at Target field against a left hander!!!!

spideyo
05-30-2012, 01:29 AM
What's a BABIP? Nevermind, I don't care.

All I know is, 75% or more of the time, Plouffe doesn't deliver at the plate. He had two clutch opportunities tonight, where a single could have busted up the 0-0 tie far earlier, and he predictably failed both times. Right now, he is taking playing time away from Casilla and Carroll, who are both doing better than him at the plate and are far better fielders. As soon as Valencia comes back, Plouffe either needs to be a bench guy or get dumped. He's not going to be an asset to this team taking away playing time from Revere or Willingham, and Valencia isn't going to come back up to sit on the bench.

CDog
05-30-2012, 09:14 AM
Yep squared, that's how I feel. Metrics are an interesting read from time to time but I wouldn't go near them with 30 foot pole while actually watching and enjoying a baseball game. I wonder what the sabre dudes were thinking when Hammer jacked that walk off over the wall tonight?.............That's not supposed to happen in the 9th with 2 on and 2 out in May at Target field against a left hander!!!!

I would guess I'm one of what you would call a "saber dude," although I wouldn't go that far. I can tell you that what I was thinking just before that was more in the form of hope, as it usually is. Hope that he'd get a good pitch to hit and he'd hit it on the screws. Being it was the Hammer, I hoped for something in the gap or over a fence. Before he'd finished his follow through I had uttered out loud (and scared my dogs) "*Expletive deleted* yes!" Point being, the impression that there isn't overlap between analytical thought, careful observation, and emotional investment isn't accurate in all cases. And a good "saber dude" knows that in any given at bat in any given situation, even 2 on and 2 out in the 9th in May at Target Field against a left-hander, that almost anything can happen. The numbers have little to do with any single event. It's baseball. It's amazing. That's why most of us watch. (I have thoughts on why the rest watch, but I'll keep them to myself...haha.)

Game163
05-30-2012, 09:44 AM
He's making my "You can't handle the Plouffe" tshirt kind of sad.

Riverbrian
05-30-2012, 11:52 AM
I would guess I'm one of what you would call a "saber dude," although I wouldn't go that far. I can tell you that what I was thinking just before that was more in the form of hope, as it usually is. Hope that he'd get a good pitch to hit and he'd hit it on the screws. Being it was the Hammer, I hoped for something in the gap or over a fence. Before he'd finished his follow through I had uttered out loud (and scared my dogs) "*Expletive deleted* yes!" Point being, the impression that there isn't overlap between analytical thought, careful observation, and emotional investment isn't accurate in all cases. And a good "saber dude" knows that in any given at bat in any given situation, even 2 on and 2 out in the 9th in May at Target Field against a left-hander, that almost anything can happen. The numbers have little to do with any single event. It's baseball. It's amazing. That's why most of us watch. (I have thoughts on why the rest watch, but I'll keep them to myself...haha.)

In the end... Baseball is about opportunity. I can't give you any names but I'm convinced that there are quite a few baseball players who could have been superstars or at least everyday starters in MLB who never got the chance because someone was blocking them or a decision maker marginalized his skills by focusing on one negative trait while ignoring something positive. Who knows... Maybe Lars Anderson is destined for MLB greatness but will never get the chance because Adrian Gonzalez is blocking him. Ryan Vogelsong on Jose Bautista got an opportunity and they made the most of it when that opportunity arose. How many players never got a chance. I don't know the answer but I'm sure that there are quite a few.

Trevor Plouffe is at such a crossroads right now and his opportunity is right now. He's at the right place at the right time and he is blowing it because he can't produce consistently.

The Twins don't want to let him go because he has potential to be a flexible guy with Pop. They don't want to play him either because he is taking the O-Fer to new levels. Trevor could be pressing trying to prove something in every at bat... I don't know but he has to get disciplined and he has to do it right now... Because his opportunity is right now and there are many players who just didn't get the chance that Plouffe is getting right now.

He will sit back and look at this year as the year that cost him a career if he doesn't get it together.

Riverbrian
05-30-2012, 12:18 PM
One more thing... Plouffe knows it... You can see it in his body language. I feel bad for the kid. He just has to realize that he can do this... Look for his pitch... not the pitchers pitch...

twinsnorth49
05-31-2012, 10:17 AM
I would guess I'm one of what you would call a "saber dude," although I wouldn't go that far. I can tell you that what I was thinking just before that was more in the form of hope, as it usually is. Hope that he'd get a good pitch to hit and he'd hit it on the screws. Being it was the Hammer, I hoped for something in the gap or over a fence. Before he'd finished his follow through I had uttered out loud (and scared my dogs) "*Expletive deleted* yes!" Point being, the impression that there isn't overlap between analytical thought, careful observation, and emotional investment isn't accurate in all cases. And a good "saber dude" knows that in any given at bat in any given situation, even 2 on and 2 out in the 9th in May at Target Field against a left-hander, that almost anything can happen. The numbers have little to do with any single event. It's baseball. It's amazing. That's why most of us watch. (I have thoughts on why the rest watch, but I'll keep them to myself...haha.)

Well the "Sabre Dude" thing was a little tongue in cheek, you seem like a well balanced Sabre Dude CDog , I think the real hardcore SD's would have turned the game off because there wasn't a statistically high enough chance for the Twins to win with a walk-off HR.

snepp
05-31-2012, 11:12 AM
I find your references to "sabre dudes" to be, quite frankly, stupid and just plain ******* ignorant.


And I say that with the least amount of tongue-in-cheek possible.

twinsnorth49
05-31-2012, 11:56 AM
I find your references to "sabre dudes" to be, quite frankly, stupid and just plain ******* ignorant.


And I say that with the least amount of tongue-in-cheek possible.

Oh, I'm ignorant? Nice post, as the saying goes, people in glass houses.....

Clearly you are one of those guys who takes himself Waaaay too seriously, if you're that easily offended, you need some medication. Chill out bud, we're talking about baseball, not the cure for cancer.

CDog
05-31-2012, 12:43 PM
we're talking about baseball, not the cure for cancer.

What if baseball IS the cure for cancer? Hmmmmm??????

Shane Wahl
05-31-2012, 04:37 PM
With Burroughs and Valencia hitting, Plouffe's days of starting are numbered. It would be nice for him to be the RH bench bat, but instead of homers I imagine it would be strike out after strike out for the most part.

Rosterman
05-31-2012, 05:07 PM
Plouffe has the pop. He just needs the discipline. It seems he did not adjust well to bein a utility player, so he's getting his chance, largely at third. But he has to produce or be one. If he can't crack the starting nine (and you can POSSIBLY carry a dead bat - one dead bat - each year)...then he's gone or...that unproductive utility guy because so many others are outplaying him. Remember, he signed out of high school. He could be a leader, but he is still young at heart, spending his prime growing years trolling the minors with the rap of high draft pick with talent but not blowing people away. He does seem humble, frustrated......

I do remember a couple of TwinsFests ago when he was sitting at the farm club table and talking about his goal for his next season at Rochester was 25 homers and 24 steals. Didn't quite do it....but he was going to try.

Maybe he'll be Luke Hughes in a couple of years.

Riverbrian
05-31-2012, 11:48 PM
I find your references to "sabre dudes" to be, quite frankly, stupid and just plain ******* ignorant.


And I say that with the least amount of tongue-in-cheek possible.

I remember my Grandmother who was 95 years old at the time had just baked some Cookies. I stopped by to visit and she asked me if I wanted a fresh baked Cookie right out of the oven and she set down a glass of milk for me and gave me a kiss.

I replied... "what the hell you old bat... Are you saying that I look like someone who needs one of your Cookies. My god... raisin Cookies... You put raisins in everything... Cookies... Stuffing... Hamburgers... Look... Take a look... See this... you have raisins in this glass of milk. Get a clue... Can I just stop by without you peddling your raisins and smothering me with your Grandmother breath".

In retrospect I may have over reacted to my Grandmother but thankfully not as bad as you just did with this post.

Riverbrian
05-31-2012, 11:54 PM
What if baseball IS the cure for cancer? Hmmmmm??????

I will be drinking, smoking, eating asbestos, bathing in formaldehyde and strapping a transmitting cell phone to my head permanantly because Baseball will have made me invincible.

Riverbrian
06-01-2012, 12:05 AM
He's making my "You can't handle the Plouffe" tshirt kind of sad.

Funny shirt... I'd wear that... If I had one.

I'd get stared at... But I'm used to it.

Riverbrian
06-01-2012, 12:12 AM
Oh, I'm ignorant? Nice post, as the saying goes, people in glass houses.....

Clearly you are one of those guys who takes himself Waaaay too seriously, if you're that easily offended, you need some medication. Chill out bud, we're talking about baseball, not the cure for cancer.

Hey North... You know what your biggest problem is? POUTINE!!! its almost criminal what you do to your french fries... Other then that... I find no traces of ignorance.

Bark's Lounge
06-01-2012, 12:23 AM
French Fries, Cheese Curds, Gravy.... yummmmmmm

Rosterman
06-01-2012, 12:29 AM
He's still young, has some potential (where, I don't know), out of options, and the Twins did invest in him. Buts shades of B.J. Garbe amongst others, when will they throw in the towel........

Bark's Lounge
06-01-2012, 12:30 AM
What if baseball IS the cure for cancer? Hmmmmm??????

A tear drops Dave Dravecky's eye. Harmon and countless other baseball players who did not survive cancer would be very disappointed in you for you comment.

twinsnorth49
06-01-2012, 12:43 AM
Hey North... You know what your biggest problem is? POUTINE!!! its almost criminal what you do to your french fries... Other then that... I find no traces of ignorance.

The only issue with poutine is the people who insist on putting ketchup on it, those people should be arrested, I am not in that group. Really RB, you don't like Poutine? you seem like a well travelled guy, you must have had some good poutine, what's the issue? It has 4 of the same letters as Plouffe.

I hear you though.

Bark's Lounge
06-01-2012, 12:45 AM
He's still young, has some potential (where, I don't know), out of options, and the Twins did invest in him. Buts shades of B.J. Garbe amongst others, when will they throw in the towel........

Plouffe vs B.J. Garbe... Huh?

twinsnorth49
06-01-2012, 01:18 AM
French Fries, Cheese Curds, Gravy.... yummmmmmm

You got it, what else is there to say?

twinsnorth49
06-01-2012, 01:26 AM
Plouffe vs B.J. Garbe... Huh?


I don't get it either, I don't believe Garbe ever played an inning of AAA let alone majors. Plouffe is worth waiting on for at least this season, if he can learn some discipline and find his pitches he has a good swing and has flashed some power. Quote all the metrics you want, it's yesterday's news, he's a young guy who if he figures it out, has some raw tools to do well.

glunn
06-01-2012, 01:31 AM
The only issue with poutine is the people who insist on putting ketchup on it, those people should be arrested, I am not in that group. Really RB, you don't like Poutine? you seem like a well travelled guy, you must have had some good poutine, what's the issue? It has 4 of the same letters as Plouffe.


I had to google poutine. Is there such a thing as "good" poutine?

twinsnorth49
06-01-2012, 01:44 AM
I had to google poutine. Is there such a thing as "good" poutine?

Oh my, you are from Beverly Hills! Tell you what glunn, you seem like a good egg, when I open my Poutine stand at Target your first order is free! You'll be converted.

Now if I can just find an angle on that work visa thing........damn you Yankee protectionists, don't you know what you're missing!?

jokin
06-01-2012, 01:56 AM
Originally Posted by CDog http://twinsdaily.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://twinsdaily.com/showthread.php?p=21096#post21096) What if baseball IS the cure for cancer? Hmmmmm??????



"A tear drops Dave Dravecky's eye. Harmon and countless other baseball players who did not survive cancer would be very disappointed in you for you comment."


On a website replete with logical fallacies, this comment has to be inducted into the Non-Sequitur Hall of Fame.

Riverbrian
06-01-2012, 08:04 AM
The only issue with poutine is the people who insist on putting ketchup on it, those people should be arrested, I am not in that group. Really RB, you don't like Poutine? you seem like a well travelled guy, you must have had some good poutine, what's the issue? It has 4 of the same letters as Plouffe.

I hear you though.

I actually kinda like POUTINE. Its just that over the past month. I'm kinda running out of things uniquely Canadian.