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Seth Stohs
05-25-2012, 03:40 PM
Twins Lineup:

Denard Span CF
Ben Revere RF
Joe Mauer C
Josh Willingham DH
Justin Morneau 1B
Brian Dozier SS
Trevor Plouffe LF
Alexi Casilla 2B
Jamey Carroll 3B

SP Anthony Swarzak

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 03:55 PM
Please tell me that you have the positions for Revere and Plouffe flipped.

Thrylos
05-25-2012, 03:58 PM
Please tell me that you have the positions for Revere and Plouffe flipped.

Nope. The manager is an idiot.

Bark's Lounge
05-25-2012, 04:03 PM
Please tell me that you have the positions for Revere and Plouffe flipped.

It would be nice to have a data sheet available to read from Gardenhire's mind when he made that decision. Plouffe in LF and Revere in RF is disappointing to say the least.

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 04:06 PM
It would be nice to have a data sheet available to read from Gardenhire's mind when he made that decision. Plouffe in LF and Revere in RF is disappointing to say the least.

I mean, theoretically some ballparks it could perhaps make sense. But this is just stupid, flat-out. There is no excuse for something bizarre like this. How much has Plouffe even played in left this year, anyway? I mean . . . it's not even as though Plouffe hasn't played RF . . . this must have to do with what? Gardenhire's belief that RF is somehow bigger than LF at Target Field????

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 04:07 PM
Is Revere's smile brighter in RF?

Top Gun
05-25-2012, 04:11 PM
Has Gardy been drinking?

Top Gun
05-25-2012, 04:17 PM
Doumit must be hurt again?

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 04:25 PM
For the past week I have been talking about DHing Willingham a few games a week to get Revere into LF to maximize the OF defense . . . ugh.

Bark's Lounge
05-25-2012, 04:26 PM
I mean, theoretically some ballparks it could perhaps make sense. But this is just stupid, flat-out. There is no excuse for something bizarre like this. How much has Plouffe even played in left this year, anyway? I mean . . . it's not even as though Plouffe hasn't played RF . . . this must have to do with what? Gardenhire's belief that RF is somehow bigger than LF at Target Field????

I have to admit that I am closed minded in regards to having a weak armed RFer. If Revere has a chance to stick as a starter he will have to play LF (maybe occasionally CF). I agree with you Shane Wahl that this is a a bizarre move. I am not sure if I would prefer Revere over Plouffe in RF in any situation or ballpark. I am not saying I couldn't be persuaded on that, but I'd need to here or read the argument.

Chance
05-25-2012, 04:34 PM
How about an error free game today... The last 2 games have been ugly.

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 04:35 PM
I have to admit that I am closed minded in regards to having a weak armed RFer. If Revere has a chance to stick as a starter he will have to play LF (maybe occasionally CF). I agree with you Shane Wahl that this is a a bizarre move. I am not sure if I would prefer Revere over Plouffe in RF in any situation or ballpark. I am not saying I couldn't be persuaded on that, but I'd need to here or read the argument.

I can't think of a ballpark at all, no. And that was just me considering the dimensions vs. speed of the outfielder, not even weighing that against arm strength. This is a fundamentally idiotic decision--there is no way around that. That says a lot about what goes on between Gardy's ears.

Bark's Lounge
05-25-2012, 04:40 PM
I can't think of a ballpark at all, no. And that was just me considering the dimensions vs. speed of the outfielder, not even weighing that against arm strength. This is a fundamentally idiotic decision--there is no way around that. That says a lot about what goes on between Gardy's ears.

I'm on board... agreed!

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 04:41 PM
My theory is if he plays Revere in left today, he knows he'll be asked later on about the possibility of keeping him there and moving Willingham to right in the future. So he would rather diminish his team's chances of winning one game than have to answer questions about a topic he doesn't feel like discussing.

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 04:41 PM
I think I am going to start drinking immediately to not think about this anymore. It makes me crazy.

Bark's Lounge
05-25-2012, 04:53 PM
I think I am going to start drinking immediately to not think about this anymore. It makes me crazy.

Cheers and bottoms up

TwinVike61
05-25-2012, 04:58 PM
My theory is if he plays Revere in left today, he knows he'll be asked later on about the possibility of keeping him there and moving Willingham to right in the future. So he would rather diminish his team's chances of winning one game than have to answer questions about a topic he doesn't feel like discussing.

I was thinking along those lines, too.

Top Gun
05-25-2012, 05:00 PM
Doumit was held out of Thursday's lineup after feeling something in his strained right calf on Wednesday, so he's presumably getting another day to rest.

bigd1123
05-25-2012, 05:01 PM
There really wouldn't be any question about Revere replacing Willingham. Willingham is a professional hitter and Revere is not good at all. Willingham is this team's best all around left fielder, and it's not close. Not sure what the hell Gardy is thinking.

CDog
05-25-2012, 05:50 PM
Seems applicable here again...back in spring training, the word was that Revere didn't play LF as well as they had expected. Even Revere made the comment that certain things that he couldn't explain were going well for him in RF that weren't in LF. I don't recall what things they were referring to, and the few innings I was able to see of spring training certainly wasn't enough to know with my eye. Even had I seen more, it's likely the lifetime baseball people are seeing a lot more than I could.

Not agreeing with something and taking the leap all the way to Gardy (or anyone else) deliberately sabotaging the team's chances to win is troubling to me.

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 06:11 PM
Before I start getting ripped for my comment, I should probably let it be known that I was being a smart ass (my fault for not making that clear in my previous post). Obviously Gardenhire wouldn't deliberately sabotage his team's chances in order to avoid questions from reporters. I've second-guessed many of his decisions before and more often than not he's proven why I'm watching games from my living room while he's watching them from the dugout.

However, it is disappointing that a Major League Baseball player would have trouble making a transition from right field to left field, if that is in fact the case with Revere.

CDog
05-25-2012, 06:24 PM
Before I start getting ripped for my comment, I should probably let it be known that I was being a smart ass (my fault for not making that clear in my previous post). Obviously Gardenhire wouldn't deliberately sabotage his team's chances in order to avoid questions from reporters. I've second-guessed many of his decisions before and more often than not he's proven why I'm watching games from my living room while he's watching them from the dugout.

However, it is disappointing that a Major League Baseball player would have trouble making a transition from right field to left field, if that is in fact the case with Revere.

Yeah, I didn't catch the sarcasm font on that post. There's enough people who think things just like that in earnest that you can see where it might have gone "whoosh!" over a person's head!

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 06:50 PM
Yeah, I didn't catch the sarcasm font on that post. There's enough people who think things just like that in earnest that you can see where it might have gone "whoosh!" over a person's head!

Yeah, after going back and reading my post, I realized that it would be impossible to tell whether I was being serious or not. I don't always agree with Gardenhire, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he has a much better feel for his team than I do.

ashburyjohn
05-25-2012, 06:50 PM
Detroit's lineup against Swarzak has five lefties if I counted right. Can it be Gardenhire's judgement that Revere's speed makes it worth having him in RF, with more fly balls going out there? (Is Swarzak hard for right-handers to pull the ball on?)

Is Detroit's total speed on the basepaths slow enough that Revere's arm becomes less of a factor holding (e.g.) Cabrera and Fielder to second on someone else's single, especially with Austin Jackson out of the lineup? Stolen bases aren't the only measure of speed but Avila and Boesch are the leaders in this lineup with 2 SB apiece.

asmus_ndsu
05-25-2012, 07:35 PM
So how about we start talking about the game and how the twins have 2 runs and 3 hits in the first inning... Lets hope swarzak can get his location settled he got a bit lucky in the first inning

asmus_ndsu
05-25-2012, 07:35 PM
Dozier still proving he is the man

asmus_ndsu
05-25-2012, 07:51 PM
Ugh swarzak... So why are we starting swarzak again? They showed the stat at the beginning of the game.. Rediculously high era as a starter, rediculously low era as a reliever.... Lets go ahead and start him, especially against a team he usually struggles against

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 07:53 PM
Twins better be ready to put up an 8 spot again tonight.

Top Gun
05-25-2012, 08:04 PM
Just stupid managing.

Dilligaf69
05-25-2012, 08:27 PM
So does Liriano get another chance to start??? Kinda running out of options!

Dilligaf69
05-25-2012, 08:28 PM
Ugh swarzak... So why are we starting swarzak again? They showed the stat at the beginning of the game.. Rediculously high era as a starter, rediculously low era as a reliever.... Lets go ahead and start him, especially against a team he usually struggles against


No other options!!!

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 08:29 PM
In hindsight, the Twins probably should've left Swarzak in the bullpen and just set up a pitching machine on the mound. Probably would've gotten the same results.

glunn
05-25-2012, 08:31 PM
So does Liriano get another chance to start??? Kinda running out of options!

But we know that Liriano will get shelled. Maybe Butera should get the next spot start.

USAFChief
05-25-2012, 08:31 PM
Great outing Swarzy.

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 08:43 PM
Miguel Cabrera steals second. What an embarrassment.

Riverbrian
05-25-2012, 08:46 PM
Liriano started the inning from the stretch. It's got me thinking. Liriano used to use a windup... Right?. He didn't always pitch from the stretch exclusively... Right? I'm trying to remember and I usually remember stuff like this.

Riverbrian
05-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Back in the wind up now... Poor kid is really searching for something

Top Gun
05-25-2012, 08:57 PM
It's a good nite to fire the manager and I use to like him.

Ultima Ratio
05-25-2012, 09:24 PM
So.... Valencia was ejected tonight for arguing a 3rd called strike. That's nice.

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 10:13 PM
Did Carroll just get tossed? I couldn't tell if it was him or Jerry White.

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 10:16 PM
There are some really good umpires in the league. Tonight's first base ump is not one of them.

Ultima Ratio
05-25-2012, 10:16 PM
What happened?

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 10:21 PM
There was a bang-bang play at first, but Carroll was clearly safe. The ump called him out, so he turned around and said something and was immediately ejected (first of his career). Then Gardy came out, raised hell, and was given the heave-ho as well. But that's the third call that ump has missed tonight.

Thrylos
05-25-2012, 10:24 PM
That umpire should never umpire another professional baseball game. The league needs to do something about the integrity of the game.

Ultima Ratio
05-25-2012, 10:24 PM
There was a bang-bang play at first, but Carroll was clearly safe. The ump called him out, so he turned around and said something and was immediately ejected (first of his career). Then Gardy came out, raised hell, and was given the heave-ho as well. But that's the third call that ump has missed tonight.

Thank you for the info :) Must have been a terrible call to get a stoic Carroll that amped up, eh?

Ultima Ratio
05-25-2012, 10:26 PM
I see as a team tonight our WHIP is over 2 -- Not so good my friends, not so good.

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 10:28 PM
Thank you for the info :) Must have been a terrible call to get a stoic Carroll that amped up, eh?

Yeah, it was pretty bad. Carroll was shocked that he got ejected though, so he must not have said anything too terrible.

NorthwestTwinsFan
05-25-2012, 10:31 PM
That umpire should never umpire another professional baseball game. The league needs to do something about the integrity of the game.

No kidding. At least a fine or suspension. He shouldn't get away with that garbage at the big league level.

Shane Wahl
05-26-2012, 01:29 AM
I didn't see it. I had no plans on watching this loss after work, but now I do.

And I have been consistent regarding Swarzak . . . and Liriano is not to be used in mop-up roles. Just sayin'.

Shane Wahl
05-26-2012, 01:32 AM
David Bromberg and Liam Hendriks will be pitching for the Twins this year. How Bromberg is not in Rochester already is beyond my thinking capabilities, apparently. Gardenhire and Rantz are equally insane.

This team simply needs to end the season with:

Hendriks
Bromberg
Diamond
Blackburn (I guess, $5.5 million reasons next year)
Walters/DeVries/Manship

What is there to lose?

Shane Wahl
05-26-2012, 01:38 AM
C-Dog, I understand the point there. But, my god, really . . . some very limited LF time for Revere in the spring vs. some weird preference for RF for him? A manager who knows anything about baseball should say, "REALLY? No. Get back to LF, which is where you will be most of the time." I don't understand how such a stupid decision could be made there.

And even all of that doesn't mean squat regarding the construction of tonight's lineup.