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Parker Hageman
05-25-2012, 02:53 PM
5 Eyewitness New's jack-of-all-trades Darren Wolfson relayed a note today on Twitter (https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/status/206104310260580352) from ESPN.com's Jayson Stark. The Twins say they are not interested in trading Justin Morneau:

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Given his injury history, age and remaining contract (2014, $14 million), I have to agree with Wolfson, it behooves the Twins to consider their options if teams come calling. After all, there are only so many pitchers you can buy on the free agent market. The Rangers were discussed as a potential suitor by Jim Bowden. The Cardinals and Blue Jays could also use a first baseman. According to MinorLeagueBall.com (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/1/23/2728027/2012-baseball-farm-system-rankings-prospects), Blue Jays (1), Rangers (3) and Cardinals (5) have farm systems that are highly thought of so it is possible that the Twins may be able to restock their depleted pitching with a trade of Morneau.

Your thoughts?

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Offer Morneau for Olt and Perez, if the Rangers refuse (which they prob would) then hold onto him the rest of the year and re-evaluate next season.

gunnarthor
05-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Unless the Twins are blown away, don't move him. We don't have anyone ready to step in and take over first. And it would be a PR disaster to move him for the something similar to the Young or Hardy deals. If you can an AJ Pierzski(sp) like deal for him, maybe. It's also good that the Twins are signaling it would be hard to move Morneau (but not impossible). If a team really wants him, they know it'll be expensive.

mike wants wins
05-25-2012, 03:33 PM
They won't win anything this year, and if they wont' trade valuable pieces for the future, they won't next either. Why would anyone be untouchable at this point?

Bark's Lounge
05-25-2012, 03:42 PM
Even though it makes sense to deal Morneau. It would be somewhat of a bumber. If it is to happen, you have to get a very strong return for him. PR wise, I do believe it would piss off most of the Twins fanbase. Me personally, I'd like to see Morneau rebound and return to his 30HR, .280+ BA and give some excitement to the fanbase. The pitching part of the equation is going to take awhile to get back on track, but in the 3-4 years that will probably take - it is nice to have some some home town heroes to root for, follow and make watching a losing baseball team worth watching. I hope Morneau rebounds, remains a Twin and is part of our next winning ball club.

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-25-2012, 03:46 PM
They won't win anything this year, and if they wont' trade valuable pieces for the future, they won't next either. Why would anyone be untouchable at this point?

I don't think they have said anyone is untouchable at this point, they just said they aren't looking to trade Morneau actively at this point. The closest thing this team has to untouchable is Sano, and even he would be moved in a heartbeat for certain packages.

Besides the Twins very well could get a better package next year for Morneau then this year anyways.

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 03:59 PM
No one is going to take him this year for anything of great value. He gets paid $14 million next year.

nicksaviking
05-25-2012, 04:19 PM
About time the Twins play this game the right way! The more "untouchable" Morneau appears, the more other teams are going to have to overpay to get him. I want Justin around until he retires but putting sentimentality aside, the Twins need to play this the same way the Padres did with Adrian Gonzolaz and the Marlins did with Miguel Cabrera.

Seriously, telling Jayson Stark, one of THE biggest national names this bit of information is the best way to strengthen demand. Now to get him, another team is going to have to come hard for him if they want him, instead of being able to act only lukewarm to trading for Morneau. This is the opposite way the Santana deal went down, where the Twins were actively shopping him which enabled the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all to act like they only had moderate interest therefore not having to give the top package.

Terry Ryan is taking a page out of Rick Spielman's playbook when let he lied to the national media that the Vikings did not have Ryan Kalil on the top of their draft board. The local guys knew that was BS but it didn't stop ESPN from running with it.

Shane Wahl
05-25-2012, 04:28 PM
About time the Twins play this game the right way! The more "untouchable" Morneau appears, the more other teams are going to have to overpay to get him. I want Justin around until he retires but putting sentimentality aside, the Twins need to play this the same way the Padres did with Adrian Gonzolaz and the Marlins did with Miguel Cabrera.

Seriously, telling Jayson Stark, one of THE biggest national names this bit of information is the best way to strengthen demand. Now to get him, another team is going to have to come hard for him if they want him, instead of being able to act only lukewarm to trading for Morneau. This is the opposite way the Santana deal went down, where the Twins were actively shopping him which enabled the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all to act like they only had moderate interest therefore not having to give the top package.

Terry Ryan is taking a page out of Rick Spielman's playbook when let he lied to the national media that the Vikings did not have Ryan Kalil on the top of their draft board. The local guys knew that was BS but it didn't stop ESPN from running with it.

Probably not. I assume they want to keep him around at least into next year and furthermore, TR probably is aware that the market is not going to be very good for someone getting paid $14 million NEXT YEAR, who is likely on the DL every other month, who is a mess every September, and who is a concussion away from retirement.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-25-2012, 04:37 PM
If they weren't even willing to trade Cuddyer last year, why would they be willing to trade Morneau? In this case, I like the loyalty the Twins have for their players. He means more to the Twins than he does to any other team no matter what they would (likely) offer.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-25-2012, 04:40 PM
They won't win anything this year, and if they wont' trade valuable pieces for the future, they won't next either. Why would anyone be untouchable at this point?

No where in the article says that Morneau is untouchable. Since when does "not likely" mean 100% no? I'm pretty sure it's implied that they won't accept trades for him unless they are blown away, as they should.

peterb18
05-25-2012, 06:39 PM
Most people on this board are real baseball fans and like this type of discussion. However, if you are upper management, you still need to maintain a fan base. So you need a core of players to be competitive. Therefore, you need Morneau. I have been very critical of ownership in stripping this team of its core players the last few years. And if Morneau stays healthy(when traded) then you are really in trouble. When the state gave the team a new stadium the Pohlads should feel some responsibilty of fielding a competitive team. You would think!

BD57
05-25-2012, 06:56 PM
Justin would have to bring a big return to justify trading him. Don't know that he could draw that right now ... if he gets hot & stays there, then who knows?

Problem is we're so deficient in so many areas - - - -

Thrylos
05-25-2012, 07:00 PM
If there are any takers who are willing to pay most of the money and give back a couple of good pieces, this is a no-brainer trade for the Twins. The Twins will not contend until his contract is up and will not resign him.

ashburyjohn
05-25-2012, 07:35 PM
No one is going to take him this year for anything of great value. He gets paid $14 million next year.

The $14M salary keeps coming up. It doesn't rank even close to the top 25 in baseball. Almost every team has someone like this; for many teams it's no dealbreaker at all to add someone. Sure, you think twice about taking on the salary, but if he's the right guy for your needs, half the teams in baseball will make room for him. It's not like Vernon Wells's contract.

Honestly, sometimes I feel like these are the Thief River Falls Twins. "We paid our $14 million. Where's our damn pennant?"

Dilligaf69
05-25-2012, 08:19 PM
If he stays healthy and productive I think this winter or next season would be the time to trade him, probably get more value if they wait. It's a risk I know but doubt anyone would want him right now given his injuries and salary. Teams would have to see mre then just a couple good weeks/months.

USAFChief
05-25-2012, 08:28 PM
The $14M salary keeps coming up. It doesn't rank even close to the top 25 in baseball. Almost every team has someone like this; for many teams it's no dealbreaker at all to add someone. Sure, you think twice about taking on the salary, but if he's the right guy for your needs, half the teams in baseball will make room for him. It's not like Vernon Wells's contract.

Honestly, sometimes I feel like these are the Thief River Falls Twins. "We paid our $14 million. Where's our damn pennant?"

Precisely. There ARE teams out there who put winning ahead of profit. IMO, were Morneau to stay healthy and productive into July, the fact he'd be on your team in 2013 at a reasonable price would make him MORE attractive, not less. We're talking about someone two years removed from being one of the better middle of the order bats in the game, and you would give up more to have him for a year and a half instead of just a half year.

Side note: I often see some version of "the more the Twins pretend they're not trading Player X, the more they'll get for him.". Unless you think all GMs are morons, this is preposterous. Teams will offer what they think they can afford, regardless.

None of which, BTW, makes me think the Twins will deal Morneau. They have the money, and if he proves healthy, can entertain signing him to an extension. Plus I don't think anyone associated with the Twins is ready to admit to themselves or the fans that the situation is so bad you trade a Morneau.

Thrylos
05-25-2012, 08:59 PM
None of which, BTW, makes me think the Twins will deal Morneau. They have the money, and if he proves healthy, can entertain signing him to an extension. Plus I don't think anyone associated with the Twins is ready to admit to themselves or the fans that the situation is so bad you trade a Morneau.

Not with Sano likely being the 1B of the future as soon as 2014/5

Jeremy Nygaard
05-25-2012, 09:22 PM
If they weren't even willing to trade Cuddyer last year, why would they be willing to trade Morneau? In this case, I like the loyalty the Twins have for their players. He means more to the Twins than he does to any other team no matter what they would (likely) offer.

I agree with this statement, to a point. But Morneau - and Cuddy before him - is just a pawn in a much bigger game. His career isn't over when his contract expires, so if the Twins aren't able to cash him in for something and he walks, they've made a very questionable "business" move (again). Between now and next July, I would really like to hope that Morneau's "chip value" to the team is more than just a draft pick.

Bark's Lounge
05-25-2012, 09:23 PM
Not with Sano likely being the 1B of the future as soon as 2014/5

Thrylos, nice job on your draft analysis and blogs. They are really informative and a nice read. On this topic (Sano) you are a murderer of hope and firing the starting gun way too soon. Give him a few years to prove he can't be a third baseman. I know you have seen him play and you judge him on your personal analysis and gut feeling. He's 2-4 years out from being with the Twins. Wait another year before you declare he is 6 feet under as a third baseman.

old nurse
05-26-2012, 01:47 AM
Of course Mornneau would be moved if a contender thought that by adding Morneau would equal a championship. May is far to early to tell. One must need to see what July brings. From a stickily observational standpoint a trade would merely bring prospects. It is rare the Smoltz for Alexander trades. Which team can you bamboozle for a John Smoltz? (Although the Twins fan in me says that Justin is no Doyle)

Shane Wahl
05-26-2012, 03:19 AM
What is going on in this thread? First people are incredulous about the stupidity of taking a player with 23 or so million bucks left on is contract given the past three seasons' worth of injuries, including some concussions. Second, saying that Sano is the 1st baseman is not a bad thing, because that is ideally where he will be if not at 3B.

USNMCPO
05-26-2012, 08:55 AM
The $14M salary keeps coming up. It doesn't rank even close to the top 25 in baseball. Almost every team has someone like this; for many teams it's no dealbreaker at all to add someone. Sure, you think twice about taking on the salary, but if he's the right guy for your needs, half the teams in baseball will make room for him. It's not like Vernon Wells's contract.

Honestly, sometimes I feel like these are the Thief River Falls Twins. "We paid our $14 million. Where's our damn pennant?"
Being a resident of Thief River Falls, I don't get the context. We want a pennant here also, but the Twins need to make the best decisions possible. If someone comes calling with a boatload of trade offerings, no one should be off limits. I doubt that happens and I am a JM fan.

Boom Boom
05-26-2012, 09:15 AM
For the right combination of players and salary relief, I say deal him.

I think teams are going to be wary of Morneau because of his injury history and the Twins may have to a) accept a bad package of players or b) take on a significant portion of his remaining salary.

Fire Dan Gladden
05-26-2012, 10:25 AM
Everybody here assumes that teams actually want Morneau at this point and time. What has he really proven since coming back from the injuries? About 2 weeks worth of decent play at 1B. There is NO team out there willing to trade a bag of balls for Morneau at this point in time. The Twins, who know him best, were unwilling to put him at 1B full-time until their hand was forced (Parmalee being atrocious). They may be able to move him if they ate most of his salary (which they won't). Folks, let's have this discussion in mid-July, assuming he stays off of the DL, plays 1B regularly, and continues to show improvement offensively.

Also remember that good offense, decent defense 1B are not that hard to find in today's league. Look at the league averages for 1B...