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darin617
05-21-2012, 06:01 PM
Any chance that Mauer could slide over a play some 3B if Justin Morneau can stay healthy?

gunnarthor
05-21-2012, 06:22 PM
Any chance that Mauer could slide over a play some 3B if Justin Morneau can stay healthy?

As others have pointed out, you just don't throw him out there without any previous experience.

USAFChief
05-21-2012, 06:37 PM
As others have pointed out, you just don't throw him out there without any previous experience.

So have him take infield for a couple weeks. It might be ugly for a while, but IMO Mauer has the tools to become a decent third baseman, and if not now--in the midst of another lost season--when?

I think everyone, including the Twins and Mauer, need to move on from the fantasy that he's going to be a full time catcher going forward. Hell, he's not a full time catcher now. He started 47 games at C last year and 19 so far this year.

Finding Joe Mauer's full time home for the next 6 years should be one of the positive results of this season. Continuing to risk his long and short term health, while in the process quite possibly hurting his offense (catching is tough on a hitters hands, knees, legs, back, etc etc) is foolhardy. 3B is an organizational need, unless Sano can be there in a few years, and gets you the best combination of positional scarcity, health, and the best likelyhood of getting 155-160 games per year out of a $23M/per player without having to shoehorn him into a DH role way more often than you'd like. The C/1B/DH thing also means he never has extended periods at any position to truly learn it defensively.

Win-win for everyone, if he can handle 3b, and it seems like he's athletic enough to give it a shot with a reasonable expectation of success.

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-21-2012, 06:40 PM
I knew you'd be all over this one Chief :)

USAFChief
05-21-2012, 07:09 PM
I knew you'd be all over this one Chief :)

Well, to me it has made sense for a couple years now. I think events over the past few years have at least lent credence to the idea that the Twins would have been better off getting Mauer out from behind the plate. Better late than never.

Nick Nelson
05-21-2012, 07:20 PM
I think events over the past few years have at least lent credence to the idea that the Twins would have been better off getting Mauer out from behind the plate. Better late than never.
And I think that his nearly flawless transition to first base lends credence to the idea that Mauer could probably pick up third and become an asset there. He's got quick reflexes and a great arm. Granted, there are lot of distinct intricacies to playing third base that he would need to learn and adjust to, but he's got excellent baseball instincts so I tend to think he'd surprise some people.

mnfireman
05-21-2012, 07:41 PM
You realize that moving Mauer to 3B means a steady diet of Butera. Just sayin....

darin617
05-21-2012, 07:41 PM
As others have pointed out, you just don't throw him out there without any previous experience.

What was Mauer's previous experience with 1st base? Such a gifted athlete should be able to make the transition in a few weeks at most.

Al Frankensteinbrenner
05-21-2012, 08:22 PM
No way that he plays the hot corner worse than Miguel Cabrera...

adjacent
05-21-2012, 08:29 PM
You realize that moving Mauer to 3B means a steady diet of Butera. Just sayin....
In that case, you would be replacing Mauer with a .360 hitter.:)

Shane Wahl
05-21-2012, 08:31 PM
Third base is a much more difficult position than 1st base. Mauer could do it, I agree, but the Twins are not going to do that mid-season with Valencia coming back at some point.

spideyo
05-21-2012, 08:41 PM
I've got no numbers or anything to back this up, but just from watching the game, it seems like 3b is a slightly more dangerous position than 1b. They seem to do a whole lot more diving, quick abrupt direction changes that can be rough on the body, having a lot more hard slides coming at them, etc.

I would suspect it wouldn't be so much that Mauer doesn't have the tools to play 3b, as much as he doesn't have the conditioning. It's not hard to imagine Mauer diving for a ball down the line, twisting his body quick and firing it across the diamond, and ending up on the DL for a month or more with an abdominal injury.

Both from a performance standpoint and a PR standpoint, the twins are going to take a few errors and a weak bat at 3b over Mauer on the DL any day.

mnfireman
05-21-2012, 08:43 PM
In that case, you would be replacing Mauer with a .360 hitter.:)

And don't forget the 0.00 ERA!!

darin617
05-21-2012, 08:43 PM
You realize that moving Mauer to 3B means a steady diet of Butera. Just sayin....

Have you seen him hit lately? Looks like Mauer might be getting Wally Pipped.

darin617
05-21-2012, 08:46 PM
You really expect to see Danny boy again this season? If not for no better options I would doubt he would be back by All Star break.

Shane Wahl
05-21-2012, 08:49 PM
You really expect to see Danny boy again this season? If not for no better options I would doubt he would be back by All Star break.

Yes, as he is hitting in Rochester right now. There is no way they are just going to throw him down there until the All-Star break.

Twins Fan From Afar
05-21-2012, 09:23 PM
This is a good fit for a few reasons.
First, it solves (to the extent possible) the health problems Mauer will face by catching forever.
Second, this is Mauer we are talking about -- I have every confidence he can learn the position (not during the season, as some have suggested; this will take months, not weeks). This is the same guy that was pretty darn good at football and basketball; my guess is he can learn the hot corner.
Third, aside from Valencia, we don't have anyone who is a big plus at 3B next year, or even the year after. Miguel Sano, even if he doesn't grow out of the position and learns to field adequately, is still a couple years out at the earliest.

I think it's the kind of thing, if it happens, where he starts taking some grounders there later this season, works on it over the winter in Ft. Myers, and makes it part of his game in 2013, along with catching, 1B and wherever else he can play to get in 145 games a year.

twinsnorth49
05-21-2012, 09:27 PM
Mauer could easily transition to 3rd base given the athlete that he is. I do believe Valencia will get another shot with the team, although not until he deserves it, which I think he's capable of achieving. It's going to take better than the .200 he's hitting now so I don't think him being down their beyond the AS break is a big stretch.

darin617
05-21-2012, 10:00 PM
Yes, as he is hitting in Rochester right now. There is no way they are just going to throw him down there until the All-Star break.

Why not? Until he can quit chasing bad pitches and play a better all round game it would best serve him to stay so he actually realizes there are no handouts here. If you look at his career stats he is really nothing special.

Seth Stohs
05-21-2012, 10:08 PM
The reason that most people don't think that Miguel Sano will be able to stay at 3B is becasue he will become to big and tall... Joe Mauer is already tall. I could be wrong, but I think that Mauer at 3B would be a mess. It's 100% completely different than playing 1B. I could be wrong, bu I'd want him to spend an offseason playing nothing but 3B and spend all of spring training playing there before throwing him out there.

stringer bell
05-21-2012, 10:12 PM
Valencia is having a nice run at Rochester right now. His average is up to .293, and he hit his second homer tonight.

stringer bell
05-21-2012, 10:17 PM
Mauer isn't going to move to third base unless 1) he volunteers to do it. EXTREMELY UNLIKELY. 2) There are no in-house options. Well, besides Valencia there aren't. 3) There is a capable replacement at catcher. No, Drew Butera's hot 25 ABs have not convinced me that he would be able to stay above the Mendoza line. Mauer has said that he wants to catch. Being a catcher is why he was paid all of that money. He should be the best guide when he needs to change positions.

glunn
05-21-2012, 11:49 PM
The reason that most people don't think that Miguel Sano will be able to stay at 3B is because he will become to big and tall... Joe Mauer is already tall. I could be wrong, but I think that Mauer at 3B would be a mess. It's 100% completely different than playing 1B. I could be wrong, bu I'd want him to spend an offseason playing nothing but 3B and spend all of spring training playing there before throwing him out there.

Seth makes a good point -- it's hard to imagine Mauer being good at fielding bunts down the third base line. And that could be hard on his knees.

What about right field? He has OK speed and a strong arm -- maybe he could get a lot of assists. And right field would allow him to stay loose between ABs.

Bark's Lounge
05-22-2012, 12:10 AM
The reason that most people don't think that Miguel Sano will be able to stay at 3B is becasue he will become to big and tall... Joe Mauer is already tall. I could be wrong, but I think that Mauer at 3B would be a mess. It's 100% completely different than playing 1B. I could be wrong, bu I'd want him to spend an offseason playing nothing but 3B and spend all of spring training playing there before throwing him out there.

Seth, I agree with your assessment, and 3B would be worth a try under those guidelines. We need to get his offensive engines running again and the writing is on the wall that being a Catcher is no longer a viable answer. I don't like 1B for Mauer either. If I had my druthers it would be 3B first, RF second, and LF third.

Riverbrian
05-22-2012, 12:30 AM
If anyone in the Twins organization thinks Sano is "too tall" to play 3rd base. Fire that person. Plenty of successful tall 3rd sackers over the decades. Height has very little to do with it. Athleticism is what you are looking for. Joe has that.

If anyone thinks The quick reaction for Joe at 3b should be an injury risk to Joe or something he can't handle. Just try reacting and blocking a 90 mph slider in the dirt and well off the plate from a squat position. Much harder task and Joe does that.

If anyone thinks that his contract value is tied to playing catcher. Maybe but does it matter to the Twins and how they stand right now. You gotta get your best on the field and the hole at 3B is huge.

Mauer could be an amazing defensive 3B over time.

Under normal circumstances I'd say wait for next year give Joe the Winter and Grapefruit to work it out. If this season doesn't turn around, I'd say why not. Give him the job and start on the job.. It would give him some additional positional flexibility.

Let Plouffe run with it a little while and if the season stays crappy and Plouffe doesnt grab it. Give Joe the 3B job at the all star break and say have at it.

If it doesn't work. You will have the off season to get things back to normal. It's a dumb idea when chasing a pennant. Its a certainly possible idea when you are way out of it.

Honestly it's something that should have been done a few years ago.

Oh yeah... One more thing... If Joe doesn't agree to it. Tough!!! He makes enough money to deal with it.

Nick Nelson
05-22-2012, 12:41 AM
The reason that most people don't think that Miguel Sano will be able to stay at 3B is becasue he will become to big and tall... Joe Mauer is already tall. I could be wrong, but I think that Mauer at 3B would be a mess. It's 100% completely different than playing 1B. I could be wrong, bu I'd want him to spend an offseason playing nothing but 3B and spend all of spring training playing there before throwing him out there.
Ryan Zimmerman is one of the best defensive third basemen in baseball and he's basically the same size as Mauer. Maybe an inch or two shorter.

jimbo92107
05-22-2012, 12:42 AM
Drew Butera is quite an athlete. His spontaneous success at relief pitcher did not look like an accident to me. It looked like he had good pop on his FB, good movement on all his pitches and reasonable control. Obviously he was balking from the set, but that can be corrected in one lesson. It would take a little longer to stabilize his delivery to avoid those high heaters, but again it's not a huge deal when your delivery is so short and so out front. Impressive, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him out there again.

As for Mauer at 3rd, it would take him one week to get the basics, and in two weeks he'd be making the bare-hand play on bunts. Oh, and Mauer could step in and pitch, too.

Riverbrian
05-22-2012, 01:01 AM
Ryan Zimmerman is one of the best defensive third basemen in baseball and he's basically the same size as Mauer. Maybe an inch or two shorter.

Scott Rolen is a big dude as well with a good glove. Chipper Jones isn't short. A Rod is tall. The only reason it's crazy is experience. How do you get experience? By playing... A lost season is a good time to try it.

Top Gun
05-22-2012, 01:17 AM
It's not a lost season yet, Lots of baseball to be played.

snepp
05-22-2012, 03:30 AM
A lost season is a good time to try it.

Yup. He would be able to get enough time in now to tell you whether or not it's worth investing the entire offseason and spring on it.



It's not a lost season yet, Lots of baseball to be played.

You're half right.

Seth Stohs
05-22-2012, 07:23 AM
Brandon Inge and Johnny Bench have made that transition from C to 3B. Inge did it well. Ripken, Zimmerman, Rolen, these are tall, strong guys who played 3B, but they were all SS growing up, infielders, so they had been fielding ground balls their whole life. Mauer was a tremendous athlete in high school, and still remains a good athlete, but I really think people need to temper their thoughts on how easy they seem to think that such a transition would be. I'm not against trying it, but it needs to make sense and they can't just throw him out there.

Shane Wahl
05-22-2012, 07:52 AM
For people citing bigger third basemen, you have to realize that none of them were/are transitioning to the position from catcher. There is a big difference even in how one's muscles are trained. The difference between Zimmerman, Rolen, and Mauer in that regard is obvious.

Let's say Mauer moves to third and has a bit of a tough adjustment for sometime in the field. Maybe it also affects him at the plate . . . I for one would avoid even coming to TD so as to avoid the irrational pro-booing nonsense articles and the even worse irrational anti-Mauer (and/or his contract) threads from those who would start out saying "for $23 million, he should be able to simply move to any position the team needs" blah blah blah.

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-22-2012, 09:07 AM
He'd be fine at 3rd base where the two most important skils are:

1. Quick reaction time (Mauer Possess this)
2. Strong Accurate arm

Range obviously helps as well, but I don't see that being an issue with him.

gunnarthor
05-22-2012, 09:47 AM
Brandon Inge and Johnny Bench have made that transition from C to 3B. Inge did it well. Ripken, Zimmerman, Rolen, these are tall, strong guys who played 3B, but they were all SS growing up, infielders, so they had been fielding ground balls their whole life. Mauer was a tremendous athlete in high school, and still remains a good athlete, but I really think people need to temper their thoughts on how easy they seem to think that such a transition would be. I'm not against trying it, but it needs to make sense and they can't just throw him out there.

Yeah, this makes the most sense.

twinsnorth49
05-22-2012, 10:19 AM
The guy was a two (almost 3) sport phenom in high school, he could have played pro football or baseball but chose baseball, to suggest an athlete of his ability would have trouble adjusting to 3rd base is ridiculous. You guys are over-analyzing this, we're talking about playing 3rd base, not building rockets.

snepp
05-22-2012, 10:25 AM
It's definitely not rocket surgery.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-22-2012, 11:07 AM
Well, he sure isn't a 1B. The Twins don't get much value from him if he's scooping balls out of the dirt. He's much more of an asset if he can play 3B and that's the main reason it's worth a shot. There is no depth at the position and no long term solution for the mess that it is. Sano is struggling now and it will take him a while to make the majors. I am a firm believer that Miguel Sano is going to have to make a position change anyway, because his defense there is simply terrible and he doesn't seem to be a natural fit.

Nick Nelson
05-22-2012, 11:14 AM
Mauer was a tremendous athlete in high school, and still remains a good athlete, but I really think people need to temper their thoughts on how easy they seem to think that such a transition would be. I'm not against trying it, but it needs to make sense and they can't just throw him out there.
I don't think anyone believes it will be "easy," the question is whether or not it's doable. I think you'd have to agree that his transition to first base was essentially seamless. Haven't seen him misplay many balls there despite his lack of previous experience playing the infield.

USAFChief
05-22-2012, 11:36 AM
I don't think anyone believes it will be "easy," the question is whether or not it's doable. I think you'd have to agree that his transition to first base was essentially seamless. Haven't seen him misplay many balls there despite his lack of previous experience playing the infield.


Yup. The real question is "can he field ground balls?" Fielding ground balls, and turning them into outs is a different and much more difficult skill than catching the ball in the air. Nobody (at least here) should be making claims about whether he can or can't do that. But...he's looked good at first, which is encouraging, and he's definitely got the athleticism and arm to make the transition. And there remains the absolutes: it would be much easier on his health and would be likely to keep him in the lineup more without having to move him around, which creates its own set of issues. Mauer is already not a full time catcher. Make the move while you still can.

Oh, and the "people might boo" nonsense is ... nonsense. Who cares? They're already doing so anyway, for that matter.

StormJH1
05-22-2012, 12:56 PM
Saying "Mauer can do it!" is basically like saying "Anyone can do it!". I don't understand the upside. Suppose Mauer moved to 3rd base, and did it as well as Miguel Cabrera this year (not even a fair comparison, since 3B WAS Cabrera's original position). What does this solve?

(1) Mauer isn't a "plus" bat at 3rd base. Not trying to be a troll here, but much like at 1st base, there are plenty of legit power bats at 3rd. Mauer is comparable to Chris Johnson, in his present state.
(2) There's no star player at catcher that necessitated the move. This argument might have made sense if we had Buster Posey or even Ramos in the organization, but not now.
(3) Mauer is 29 years old. 3rd base isn't the "safest" position to play. There's a lot of diving and hard physical charging for bunts, etc. And that's assuming you don't take liners off the face. You'd be forcing a move to a new position that certainly does not prolong his career in any meaningful way, and with his body already "turning the corner", it's tough to imagine you'd want him there in a few years anyway.

ericchri
05-22-2012, 01:27 PM
Mauer's a little bigger, but not much, than Corey Koskie was. Koskie built himself into a really good 3B after a very mediocre beginning, I'd wager Joe Mauer could do it too. But as has been mentioned, until Joe Mauer shows any inclination to allow the move, it's not happening. I think somebody needs to get LEN or JC or the like to start asking about the "rumors" of a possible move to get him thinking about it.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-22-2012, 01:38 PM
Saying "Mauer can do it!" is basically like saying "Anyone can do it!". I don't understand the upside. Suppose Mauer moved to 3rd base, and did it as well as Miguel Cabrera this year (not even a fair comparison, since 3B WAS Cabrera's original position). What does this solve?

(1) Mauer isn't a "plus" bat at 3rd base. Not trying to be a troll here, but much like at 1st base, there are plenty of legit power bats at 3rd. Mauer is comparable to Chris Johnson, in his present state.

Well he's a hybrid Placido Polanco at 3B (less glove, more OBP) and a Doug Mientciewitz at 1B. Which has more value?

Riverbrian
05-22-2012, 01:40 PM
Saying "Mauer can do it!" is basically like saying "Anyone can do it!". I don't understand the upside. Suppose Mauer moved to 3rd base, and did it as well as Miguel Cabrera this year (not even a fair comparison, since 3B WAS Cabrera's original position). What does this solve?

(1) Mauer isn't a "plus" bat at 3rd base. Not trying to be a troll here, but much like at 1st base, there are plenty of legit power bats at 3rd. Mauer is comparable to Chris Johnson, in his present state.
(2) There's no star player at catcher that necessitated the move. This argument might have made sense if we had Buster Posey or even Ramos in the organization, but not now.
(3) Mauer is 29 years old. 3rd base isn't the "safest" position to play. There's a lot of diving and hard physical charging for bunts, etc. And that's assuming you don't take liners off the face. You'd be forcing a move to a new position that certainly does not prolong his career in any meaningful way, and with his body already "turning the corner", it's tough to imagine you'd want him there in a few years anyway.

Couple of things. It's not saying anyone can do it but there is a reason catchers transition to 3b well. The positions are more similar then you'd thnk. They have to posess similar talents. It's a matter of reps.

Personally I don't subscribe to the theory that a 3B has to be a power guy. A SS has to be a speed guy and LF has to be a water buffalo. You fit any type of player at any position. You can have a Fast 1B and a Power hitting 2B. Whatever the context of your team. this Twins team doesn't have a context. The Twins can be anything right now.

True we don't have an up and comer at Catcher. We don't have him around the corner at 3B either.

No position is safe to play... IF you play it right. Catcher is perhaps the most dangerous.

Its ok to hang on to hope for this season but like a Presidential speech writer. You need to write a victory speech and a concession speech. Mauer at third should be part of the concession speech. Once that happens... You can live with the learning curve it's going to take.

USAFChief
05-22-2012, 01:48 PM
Its also just flat out wrong to say moving Mauer to third is unlikely to prolong his career. We're talking about catching here. For a guy with chronic leg, back and knee issues.

ashburyjohn
05-22-2012, 03:00 PM
In that case, you would be replacing Mauer with a .360 hitter.:)

Man, at this point I am almost in favor of running Drew out there game after game until his batting average drops below .260 (a few games probably), and/or let him pitch until his ERA is above 6 (should take a few batters in the first inning). Either we'll be done with this Drew Butera: Superstar meme, or else we'll have another catcher batting above .260 for a full season and we can indeed re-deploy Mauer to first or third or even the Special Assistant position Bill Smith has.

ashburyjohn
05-22-2012, 03:03 PM
You can have a Fast 1B and a Power hitting 2B.

You find a defensively-capable 2B hitting for power like a 1B and you'll be paying Mauer money for rare talent. This is why the stereotypes stick.

twinsnorth49
05-22-2012, 03:11 PM
Saying "Mauer can do it!" is basically like saying "Anyone can do it!". .

It is.....really? I've been saying it over and over but it still doesn't come out that way, weird.

Personally I don't think I can do it, there goes the anyone theory.

Catcher is way harder on your body than 3rd base, no question, that's what the jyst of this is, Mauer's long term health.

Shane Wahl
05-22-2012, 04:43 PM
Mauer at 3B is a definite improvement in terms of value on that $23 million. If you all are talking about a C/3B/DH combo, that is all well and good with a healthy Justin Morneau playing 1B almost every day.

darin617
05-22-2012, 05:19 PM
Its also just flat out wrong to say moving Mauer to third is unlikely to prolong his career. We're talking about catching here. For a guy with chronic leg, back and knee issues.

Prolong his career? Let's just let him finish this 8 yr deal and then he can play 3-5 more yrs for veterans minimum to make up for screwing the organization with that obscene contract that he would have never got form anyone else. I would highly doubt NYY would have matched th 8yrs, maybe per season but not 8 yrs for a catcher.

Alex
05-22-2012, 05:31 PM
Saying "Mauer can do it!" is basically like saying "Anyone can do it!". I don't understand the upside. Suppose Mauer moved to 3rd base, and did it as well as Miguel Cabrera this year (not even a fair comparison, since 3B WAS Cabrera's original position). What does this solve?

(1) Mauer isn't a "plus" bat at 3rd base. Not trying to be a troll here, but much like at 1st base, there are plenty of legit power bats at 3rd. Mauer is comparable to Chris Johnson, in his present state.
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Focusing on power (and by that I assume you mean HR) is not a good way to evaluate the value of a hitter. The stat that most corresponds to wins in MLB is run differential. The stat that most corresponds to scoring runs is not HR, it's OBP.

In WOBA He's currently ranked 5th at catcher and 7th at first base. At third base, he'd be ranked 5. The league average for 1B is .324, for C it's .311, and for 3B......it's .311. Mauer actually adds the same +value at either position 3B or C. If you don't like WOBA and just want to look at power (slugging-not a full picture of a hitter but that was the stat you picked) well he'd be 12th in both, again. Two points. One, that Mauer is a plus hitter at either way when looking at the big picture, and two, catchers and 3B are hitting almost evenly overall.

Shane Wahl
05-22-2012, 05:50 PM
Prolong his career? Let's just let him finish this 8 yr deal and then he can play 3-5 more yrs for veterans minimum to make up for screwing the organization with that obscene contract that he would have never got form anyone else. I would highly doubt NYY would have matched th 8yrs, maybe per season but not 8 yrs for a catcher.

How did HE screw the organization? You are not making sense. Furthermore, the organization knew damn well that the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, etc. would throw MORE money at Joe Mauer. You are insane not to realize this.

Shane Wahl
05-22-2012, 05:51 PM
Focusing on power (and by that I assume you mean HR) is not a good way to evaluate the value of a hitter. The stat that most corresponds to wins in MLB is run differential. The stat that most corresponds to scoring runs is not HR, it's OBP.

In WOBA He's currently ranked 5th at catcher and 7th at first base. At third base, he'd be ranked 5. The league average for 1B is .324, for C it's .311, and for 3B......it's .311. Mauer actually adds the same +value at either position 3B or C. If you don't like WOBA and just want to look at power (slugging-not a full picture of a hitter but that was the stat you picked) well he'd be 12th in both, again. Two points. One, that Mauer is a plus hitter at either way when looking at the big picture, and two, catchers and 3B are hitting almost evenly overall.

Bumping this up.

twinsnorth49
05-22-2012, 05:59 PM
prolong his career? Let's just let him finish this 8 yr deal and then he can play 3-5 more yrs for veterans minimum to make up for screwing the organization with that obscene contract that he would have never got form anyone else. I would highly doubt nyy would have matched th 8yrs, maybe per season but not 8 yrs for a catcher.

D-e-l-u-d-e-d

Riverbrian
05-22-2012, 10:56 PM
You find a defensively-capable 2B hitting for power like a 1B and you'll be paying Mauer money for rare talent. This is why the stereotypes stick.

You are of course referring to a superstar like Cano, Ryne Sandberg, Chase Utley. It is also possible to have a non superstar power guy play the position. Uggla, Kelly Johnson, Ty Wigginton, Jose Lopez.

The stereotype sticks because teams want defense up the middle and defense is aided greatly by speed. When you crowd your speed in the middle... the big slow bombers go on the edges. It all depends on the context of your team. Figgins can play third with a Lopez. Revere can play left without having Stanton like power and the team can still be successful. Teams can flourish or fail just like stereotypical lineup.

We have Power potential from Willingham, Morneau, Doumit and... Well Mauer would be #4 on that list... So with the Twins... You can comfortably put him on a corner and call him Mike Schmidt... That is our context. If Mauer fits the sterotype is pointless and How Mauer compares to Longoria and Rolen does nothing to either justify his contract or help the team where help is needed.

I understand that part of his contract is tied to the catcher position. However, his contract also demands that he stay healthy and stay in the lineup. Catchers simply need more rest. His contract also demands that he play where needed.

If youbare looking for the stereotypical 3B. We don't have him. Not I'm AAA either.

The construction of this team almost demands it. 3 of our 4 powers guys collide positional with each other. Mauer plays C and 1B which is also played by Doumit and Morneau and they are all top preferences for the DH position.

If Mauer is a Minnesota guy. He'd see the need and say "yes skip...I'll play third if the team needs it". You throw him out there for the end of the year. If it works he can play some third next year and catch on occasion. Now we just need Gardy to ask.

glunn
05-23-2012, 12:15 AM
What is the problem with Mauer playing RF? Does it really make sense to risk his knees on charging a bunt?

snepp
05-23-2012, 01:36 AM
WHAT?

What is it about charging a bunt that's any more hazardous than a dozen other baseball activities Mauer engages in on a daily basis?

Shane Wahl
05-23-2012, 01:56 AM
To be fair, the team thought that Danny Valencia was going to solve the damn problem. I doubt Joe has even been asked about playing third.

Top Gun
05-23-2012, 02:50 AM
Maybe next year in spring training he should try it.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-23-2012, 11:08 AM
What is the problem with Mauer playing RF? Does it really make sense to risk his knees on charging a bunt?

There are really high expectations for outfielders offensively. The average OPS for a corner outfielder is .819 (http://scoresheetwiz.tripod.com/id136.html). This season and in 2011 Mauer has been below that point. Granted, these have both been below average seasons by his standards, but even if he were above that mark the value isn't much more than $10 million a year in my view. Keep in mind that good outfielders aren't tough to find and that there is plenty of depth within the organization. I wouldn't mind if Joe gets around 10 starts at RF a season or so, but any further commitment to that position just isn't very appealing.

tpb8
05-23-2012, 02:28 PM
We have a hole at 3B so to fill it we're going to move our Gold Glove catcher there, and in his place we're going to put a guy that hits .200 with no XB power whatsoever. Tell me what this solves again?

Riverbrian
05-23-2012, 11:19 PM
We have a hole at 3B so to fill it we're going to move our Gold Glove catcher there, and in his place we're going to put a guy that hits .200 with no XB power whatsoever. Tell me what this solves again?

Doumit hits .200 with no XB power whatsoever? My Bad... I thought Doumit hits better than that. I got my stat sheets from Twinsnorth. I forgot it was in the metric system.

Ultima Ratio
05-23-2012, 11:24 PM
Doumit hits .200 with no XB power whatsoever? My Bad... I thought Doumit hits better than that. I got my stat sheets from Twinsnorth. I forgot it was in the metric system.

I think this poster is referring to Drew Butera, blessed be his name, with Doumit at DH.

USAFChief
05-23-2012, 11:49 PM
We have a hole at 3B so to fill it we're going to move our Gold Glove catcher there, and in his place we're going to put a guy that hits .200 with no XB power whatsoever. Tell me what this solves again?

Try to think in terms longer than thru the end of the month. This is not about 2012. This is about trying to get the best value out of the $138m still owed to Mauer. Butera doesn't have to be the catcher for that time frame, believe it or not.

tpb8
05-24-2012, 07:45 AM
Try to think in terms longer than thru the end of the month. This is not about 2012. This is about trying to get the best value out of the $138m still owed to Mauer. Butera doesn't have to be the catcher for that time frame, believe it or not.

Sorry, I forgot the stud cather we have coming up through the minors. What's his name again?

The best way to get the most value out of Mauer is to leave him at catcher. If we can sign a FA catcher, why can't we sign a FA 3B? Why do we need to resort to teaching a 28-29 year old lifetime catcher how to play 3B? 3B is much harder than 1B, sees a lot more hard chances and requires more movement and diving attempts. It hardly sounds like a solution to keeping Mauer healthy.

twinsnorth49
05-24-2012, 09:45 AM
Doumit hits .200 with no XB power whatsoever? My Bad... I thought Doumit hits better than that. I got my stat sheets from Twinsnorth. I forgot it was in the metric system.


According to my math Ryan Doumit is actually hitting .423 using the standard 1.609 km to mile conversion. That's how we do math in Canada, it's a clever trick by the government to convince us we're getting more for less, i.e. 1 gallon of beer= 3.78 litres, 3 is bigger than 1, therefore I should pay 3 times what an American pays for a case of beer.

Stay away from metric.