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Seth Stohs
05-21-2012, 05:08 PM
The following was a tweet from Jon Morosi in the last five minutes:

Source: #Twins (http://www.twinsdaily.com/#!/search/%23Twins) to designate Jason Marquis for assignment. Has 8.47 ERA in Minnesota but good track record in National League. Only 33.



Let the speculation begin:

I'd project that Cole DeVries will take Marquis's 40 man roster spot and his spot in the starting rotation.
Could be Liam Hendriks as well.
Could be Anthony Swarzak to start with Anthony Slama taking Marquis's 40 man spot and a bullpen spot.

gunnarthor
05-21-2012, 05:12 PM
I think they move Duensing to start, call up Slama.

Shane Wahl
05-21-2012, 05:16 PM
Duensing hasn't even begun to stretch out into starting capacity and it would be asinine to convert him back to a starter.

I don't like Swarzak much, but I would take that route if it meant Slama would be FINALLY promoted.

James
05-21-2012, 05:20 PM
Good move. With how he is pitching now, I can't see another team claiming him. There is the random chance that he could figure his stuff out in Rochester, and he'd still be in the system if he's needed. And, open up another spot on the 40 man. I like it.

Ultima Ratio
05-21-2012, 05:23 PM
I like getting Slama up and Swarzak to start. Second preference is to recall Hendricks and leave Swarzak in the pen. Leave Duensing alone.

gunnarthor
05-21-2012, 05:39 PM
Duensing hasn't even begun to stretch out into starting capacity and it would be asinine to convert him back to a starter.

I don't like Swarzak much, but I would take that route if it meant Slama would be FINALLY promoted.

They were stretching (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=duensbr01&t=p&year=2012) him out last week. http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_20611418/looking-rotation-options-minnesota-twins-stretch-out-brian

I think Slama deserves his chance but I don't think I'm as optimistic as you. Turpen in AA has really been intriguing. Interesting to see if they move him up to AAA if Slama comes up.

USAFChief
05-21-2012, 05:54 PM
This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.

The Greatest Poster Alive
05-21-2012, 05:59 PM
what was your favorite jason marquis moment?

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-21-2012, 06:00 PM
This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.

Butera to Closer, Liriano to the rotation, Morneau to emergency third catcher, Doumit to starting catcher, Mauer to third, Capps to Golden Coral, Nishioka to Ft Myers, Joe Benson to a batting cage.

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-21-2012, 06:07 PM
what was your favorite jason marquis moment?

Today at 4:08 PM

Thrylos
05-21-2012, 06:11 PM
This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.

I think that for the short and long term this makes the most sense:

- They need to get Liriano going so they can get some value for him
- Would be great for Hendriks and Guerra to get some success in AAA before they join the team in September and in 2013
- Slama is way overdue to be in the bigs

Cole DeVries is a good story and he will probably be up soon also replacing the next SP who needs replacing (Blackburn? Walters?)

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-21-2012, 06:15 PM
I think that for the short and long term this makes the most sense:

- They need to get Liriano going so they can get some value for him
- Would be great for Hendriks and Guerra to get some success in AAA before they join the team in September and in 2013
- Slama is way overdue to be in the bigs

Cole DeVries is a good story and he will probably be up soon also replacing the next SP who needs replacing (Blackburn? Walters?)
Guerra is out of options starting next year, if he continues to succeed in AAA you need to consider bringing him up soon, I'd be pretty surprised if he isn't on the team by the all star break, Sept is to long to wait IMO. I think Hendriks will be back up by then as well, not nesicarly due to him earning it, more just the rotation continuing to be terrible overall.

gunnarthor
05-21-2012, 06:21 PM
This isn't hard to figure out. Liriano goes back in the rotation, Slama takes his place in the pen and on the 25 man roster.

If Liriano's back to starting, who pitches the other 7 innings of his starts? I understand wanting Liriano to break out but he's done nothing the last two years to suggest he should be starting.

USAFChief
05-21-2012, 06:26 PM
If Liriano's back to starting, who pitches the other 7 innings of his starts? I understand wanting Liriano to break out but he's done nothing the last two years to suggest he should be starting.

Unlike other options, he has, at least, shown above average ability at certain points of his career.

What other option can you say that about? Duensing maybe, but that seemed pretty illusory at the time, as proven later. Plus, he looks like he can be a real asset in the pen. Leave him there.

IdahoPilgrim
05-21-2012, 06:32 PM
Good move. With how he is pitching now, I can't see another team claiming him. There is the random chance that he could figure his stuff out in Rochester, and he'd still be in the system if he's needed. And, open up another spot on the 40 man. I like it.

Do you really think he'd accept going to Rochester? He can turn it down, as a 5-year veteran, can't he? If he is indeed better in the NL, and is "condemned" to AAA again, why not try to sign a minor league contract with a NL team? Better chance to get back up that way.

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-21-2012, 06:39 PM
Do you really think he'd accept going to Rochester? He can turn it down, as a 5-year veteran, can't he? If he is indeed better in the NL, and is "condemned" to AAA again, why not try to sign a minor league contract with a NL team? Better chance to get back up that way.

I'd be pretty surprised if an NL team wouldn't pick him up within a week.

USAFChief
05-21-2012, 06:39 PM
Do you really think he'd accept going to Rochester? He can turn it down, as a 5-year veteran, can't he? If he is indeed better in the NL, and is "condemned" to AAA again, why not try to sign a minor league contract with a NL team? Better chance to get back up that way.

If he refuses Rochester, he forfeits the remainder of his contract, no?

gunnarthor
05-21-2012, 06:47 PM
If he refuses Rochester, he forfeits the remainder of his contract, no?

I could be wrong, but, no, I think he keeps it.

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-21-2012, 07:08 PM
If he refuses Rochester, he forfeits the remainder of his contract, no?

That can't be right.

The only reason he accepted the earlier start in AAA or was it AA? Was that the Twins guaranteed him to be back on the major league team by X date.

USAFChief
05-21-2012, 07:20 PM
That can't be right.

The only reason he accepted the earlier start in AAA or was it AA? Was that the Twins guaranteed him to be back on the major league team by X date.

I'm not positive, and I've been trying to find a copy of the 2012 basic contract on line with no luck, but I think it works like this: if he goes through waivers unclaimed, the Twins can attempt to reassign his contract to Rochester. He has the right to refuse, and become a FA, but in doing so, forfeits the remainder of this contract.

At least that's the way I read the basic contract in effect 2007-2011 (Article XIX, A. 2). A player with more than five years can refuse assignment to the minors, but in doing so becomes a FA and "is not entitled to termination pay." "Termination pay" is defined elsewhere as the remainer of the contract for that season (article IX). You can find the 2007-2011 basic contract with a google search for "MLB basic contract."

I could be wrong.

SpiritofVodkaDave
05-21-2012, 07:31 PM
I'm not positive, and I've been trying to find a copy of the 2012 basic contract on line with no luck, but I think it works like this: if he goes through waivers unclaimed, the Twins can attempt to reassign his contract to Rochester. He has the right to refuse, and become a FA, but in doing so, forfeits the remainder of this contract.

At least that's the way I read the basic contract in effect 2007-2011 (Article XIX, A. 2). A player with more than five years can refuse assignment to the minors, but in doing so becomes a FA and "is not entitled to termination pay." "Termination pay" is defined elsewhere as the remainer of the contract for that season (article IX). You can find the 2007-2011 basic contract with a google search for "MLB basic contract."

I could be wrong.

Don't they have like 10 days to do so or something as well? Or other teams have 10 days to put in a claim?
I'd have to imagine some NL team will take him in a heart beat as they'd only have to pay a percentage of the league minimum.

Also, it could be possible that it specifically says in his contract that he can refuse a demotion if he chooses (and keeps his money)

Either way, I don't think we will see him in Rochester anytime soon.

Dilligaf69
05-21-2012, 07:31 PM
I Have no problem with Slama either....Leave Hendriks in AAA for now. Either give DeVries a shot or just let Swarzak get a few starts until Hendriks is ready to come back up. My question still is IF Pavano gets skipped/pushed back on Thursday what happens??? Gardy said the spot start would come from "the clubhouse" I believe which to me means Swarzak/Liriano/Duensing. If that's the case just let Cisco take the ball for one start. He's only been in the pen two weeks so his stamina should not be a problem.

IdahoPilgrim
05-21-2012, 08:11 PM
I could be wrong, but, no, I think he keeps it.


According to Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth) he gets his money whether he accepts reassignment or asks to be released. If he is picked up by another team and signs a contract with them, the Twins are responsible for making up the difference between his new contract and his old one.

Nice to be a veteran!

spideyo
05-21-2012, 08:56 PM
According to Wikipedia (take it for what it's worth) he gets his money whether he accepts reassignment or asks to be released. If he is picked up by another team and signs a contract with them, the Twins are responsible for making up the difference between his new contract and his old one.

Nice to be a veteran!

Let no one say the Player's Union is a weak union.


As far as pitching options go, I think it makes the most sense to slide Swarzak to the rotation for now and bring somebody up or claim somebody for relief help. Liriano needs a little more time in the bullpen, and Hendricks could use a couple more turns in AAA. Don't forget, we'll almost certainly need someone to take Blackburn's spot by the time they get home.

twinsnorth49
05-21-2012, 09:16 PM
Liriano gets the start Thursday, that will dictate what happens beyond that. I get the feeling Blackburn is a ways from returning (or the Twins wanting him to return) in which case we may see Devries or Hendriks at any rate. I'd rather it be Devries, let Hendriks keep working his groove for another month or so. Keep the bullpen the way it is, if anyone manages to keep it close they are our main hope to actually win games. I do think Slama deserves to get a shot, at this point we might as well see what he has instead of wasting time with Jeff Gray.

I think the bigger question is what happens when Blackburn returns and he becomes Jason Marquis act II......what then?

Shane Wahl
05-21-2012, 09:24 PM
Liriano gets the start Thursday, that will dictate what happens beyond that. I get the feeling Blackburn is a ways from returning (or the Twins wanting him to return) in which case we may see Devries or Hendriks at any rate. I'd rather it be Devries, let Hendriks keep working his groove for another month or so. Keep the bullpen the way it is, if anyone manages to keep it close they are our main hope to actually win games. I do think Slama deserves to get a shot, at this point we might as well see what he has instead of wasting time with Jeff Gray.

I think the bigger question is what happens when Blackburn returns and he becomes Jason Marquis act II......what then?

Yeah, we could be looking at a Pavano (if he holds up!), Diamond, Walters, DeVries, Manship rotation at that point. And fine by me, honestly. Pavano is the only tradeable starter. I would rather have Blackburn shut it down and get healthy for next year when he is REALLY paid way too much. I imagine Hendriks will be up after 5 or so more starts at AAA.

Bark's Lounge
05-21-2012, 09:43 PM
I think the bigger question is what happens when Blackburn returns and he becomes Jason Marquis act II......what then?

My fear is that Slama will not be called up this time around and we will all be pleading for this when Marquis Act II takes place. The Twins must really think Slama just absolutely won't cut it in the Bigs. Maybe the Twins can Have a Poor Man's Andy Pettitte un-retirement situation happen for them. Brad Radke misses the game, he is feeling the itch to face competition again. He calls up the Terry Ryan and expresses his desire to return to the bigs. Terry says, Why not, let's do it. Brad says, game on bro and kicks it in full throttle to help the Twins out in this dire season. Heck, I even think Radke is a few months younger than Pettitte. When you wish upon a star....

Twins Fan From Afar
05-21-2012, 09:48 PM
My fear is that Slama will not be called up this time around and we will all be pleading for this when Marquis Act II takes place. The Twins must really think Slama just absolutely won't cut it in the Bigs. Maybe the Twins can Have a Poor Man's Andy Pettitte un-retirement situation happen for them. Brad Radke misses the game, he is feeling the itch to face competition again. He calls up the Terry Ryan and expresses his desire to return to the bigs. Terry says, Why not, let's do it. Brad says, game on bro and kicks it in full throttle to help the Twins out in this dire season. Heck, I even think Radke is a few months younger than Pettitte. When you wish upon a star....

Just for old time's sake, the Twins medical staff will re-tear Radke's labrum before he begins the road back to the team.

CDog
05-21-2012, 10:35 PM
what was your favorite jason marquis moment?

I'll go with the class that he showed through what will likely be the most difficult time in his life and the several weeks since then while he's struggled. Even if he wasn't always shown that same respect and class in return.

Bark's Lounge
05-21-2012, 10:36 PM
Just for old time's sake, the Twins medical staff will re-tear Radke's labrum before he begins the road back to the team.

... for old time's sake, that would not shock me.

twinsnorth49
05-21-2012, 10:51 PM
Yeah, we could be looking at a Pavano (if he holds up!), Diamond, Walters, DeVries, Manship rotation at that point. And fine by me, honestly. Pavano is the only tradeable starter. I would rather have Blackburn shut it down and get healthy for next year when he is REALLY paid way too much. I imagine Hendriks will be up after 5 or so more starts at AAA.

Yeah, I agree, that would be fine by me as well.

Bark's Lounge
05-21-2012, 10:53 PM
I'll go with the class that he showed through what will likely be the most difficult time in his life and the several weeks since then while he's struggled. Even if he wasn't always shown that same respect and class in return.

I don't think that anyone on this site has an opinion of whether Jason Marquis is a good or bad person and we all feel the utmost sympathy for his daughter and her recovery. Thank goodness she survived and a lot of us have probably had similar situations impact our lives, be it a son, daughter, brother, sister, etc... The jubilation shown by the TF Daily is based strictly on performance and nothing else. Marquis was not good and a move needed to be made. Marquis is probably disappointed, but I would take a guess that his DFA was handled professionally and with kind words from Terry Ryan. Marquis doesn't have it so bad. He was paid millions of dollars to pitch for the Twins for 1.75 months. Class and Respect? We'll all have to answer that question for ourselves.

twinsnorth49
05-21-2012, 10:57 PM
I'll go with the class that he showed through what will likely be the most difficult time in his life and the several weeks since then while he's struggled. Even if he wasn't always shown that same respect and class in return.

I thought the Twins were very sympathetic and respectful to Marquis when his daughter got hurt. Seemed to me they went out of their way to make things as easy as possible for him. If you're referring to fans, there will always be people who act as if life revolves around their divine right to have other people be responsible for their happiness.

CDog
05-21-2012, 11:16 PM
I don't think that anyone on this site has an opinion of whether Jason Marquis is a good or bad person and we all feel the utmost sympathy for his daughter and her recovery. Thank goodness she survived and a lot of us have probably had similar situations impact our lives, be it a son, daughter, brother, sister, etc... The jubilation shown by the TF Daily is based strictly on performance and nothing else. Marquis was not good and a move needed to be made. Marquis is probably disappointed, but I would take a guess that his DFA was handled professionally and with kind words from Terry Ryan. Marquis doesn't have it so bad. He was paid millions of dollars to pitch for the Twins for 1.75 months. Class and Respect? We'll all have to answer that question for ourselves.

I agree that most of it is baseball related. And even the question I was answering probably was, but it certainly stinks of a certain level of snark that just felt like piling on. Doesn't seem to be any need for that, and I guess that makes it come off as personal (as did the one prior response). Point taken.

CDog
05-21-2012, 11:18 PM
I thought the Twins were very sympathetic and respectful to Marquis when his daughter got hurt. Seemed to me they went out of their way to make things as easy as possible for him. If you're referring to fans, there will always be people who act as if life revolves around their divine right to have other people be responsible for their happiness.

No, as stated in my reply to Bark's Lounge, I was referring to some of the sarcasm that seemed a bit personal. I will also point out that I was probably at least in some part reacting to the fact that I read some comments on the local paper today for the first time in a while...and there was one there talking about how he took more time than he ought to have dealing with the accident. Aren't people awesome?

Bark's Lounge
05-21-2012, 11:29 PM
No, as stated in my reply to Bark's Lounge, I was referring to some of the sarcasm that seemed a bit personal. I will also point out that I was probably at least in some part reacting to the fact that I read some comments on the local paper today for the first time in a while...and there was one there talking about how he took more time than he ought to have dealing with the accident. Aren't people awesome?

Yuck... and "F' the person who put that out there.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-22-2012, 08:15 AM
I think DeVries would be on regular rest if he started on Thursday for the Twins - has a corresponding move been made yet? Liriano hasn't seemed to figure out his control/delivery problems yet, he's probably not the right guy to rejoin the rotation just yet. It's too bad that Marquis didn't meet expectations, it was a fairly low bar set for a pitcher that was a solid back of the rotation guy just a couple years ago.