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mikeee
05-20-2012, 01:22 PM
Twins (14-26) 1. Denard Span, CF
2. Ben Revere, RF
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Josh Willingham, LF
5. Justin Morneau, 1B
6. Brian Dozier, SS
7. Trevor Plouffe, 3B
8. Jamey Carroll, 2B
9. Jason Marquis, RHP

Brewers (16-24)
1. Corey Hart, RF
2. Nyjer Morgan, CF
3. Ryan Braun, LF
4. Jonathan Lucroy, C
5. Taylor Green, T, 3B
6. Travis Ishikawa, 1B
7. Cesar Izturis, SS
8. Edwin Maysonet, 2B
9. Zack Greinke, RHP

mikeee
05-20-2012, 01:23 PM
there. we are off and running now.
The hammer with a clutch single to score Revere!

Vegeta
05-20-2012, 01:26 PM
Revere continues his hot streak with another dbl.

woolhouse
05-20-2012, 01:30 PM
And look at that... could this be the last lead Marquis blows while a member of the Twins' starting pitching staff?

EephusKnuckler
05-20-2012, 01:30 PM
Nice, Marquis gives up two solo shots in the 1st

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 01:31 PM
This is what I am talking about with regard to Anderson. Can anyone do a study comparing the Twins pitchers' 1st inning performance vs. the rest of the league in the Anderson era, or at least this year? I remember Radke having 1st inning issues as well. And then settling. Marquis and Blackburn, not so much.

J-Dog Dungan
05-20-2012, 01:31 PM
Can't be doin that if ya wanna keep ya jabba, Marquis!

glunn
05-20-2012, 01:32 PM
We probably need to score a lot of runs to have a chance today.

Seth Stohs
05-20-2012, 01:34 PM
This is what I am talking about with regard to Anderson. Can anyone do a study comparing the Twins pitchers' 1st inning performance vs. the rest of the league in the Anderson era, or at least this year? I remember Radke having 1st inning issues as well. And then settling. Marquis and Blackburn, not so much.

This is not unusual at all... I remember Maddux and Glaving were notoriously 'normal' in the 1st inning and with most good pitchers you hear, "Better get him early cuz you won't get him once he gets going."

USAFChief
05-20-2012, 01:47 PM
The Mauer AB in the first inning pisses me off to no end. #3 hitter up with a runner on second. he shud be looking for a pitch to drive. He watches two fastballs down the middle and now he's in defensive mode and makes a weak swing at a 2 strike pitch with predictable results.

Vegeta
05-20-2012, 01:52 PM
Marquis clearly doesn't have it today. Hopefully the Twins can put up some runs and keep this thing close. Try to make it into a bullpen battle. Grienke luckily is prone to big innings , you just gotta rattle his cage a bit.

glunn
05-20-2012, 01:52 PM
The Mauer AB in the first inning pisses me off to no end. #3 hitter up with a runner on second. he shud be looking for a pitch to drive. He watches two fastballs down the middle and now he's in defensive mode and makes a weak swing at a 2 strike pitch with predictable results.

I just wish he would swing a bit more early in the count.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 01:52 PM
This is not unusual at all... I remember Maddux and Glaving were notoriously 'normal' in the 1st inning and with most good pitchers you hear, "Better get him early cuz you won't get him once he gets going."

Well Marquis isn't just normal in the first inning, and other Twins pitchers aren't either. I would still like to see some data in defense of the Twins, then.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 01:53 PM
It's time for Jason Marquis to be released.

mikeee
05-20-2012, 01:54 PM
Do they have another minor leaguer to bring up?

Montecore
05-20-2012, 01:54 PM
Jettison Marquis. Mediocre at best and they knew it all along.

glunn
05-20-2012, 01:55 PM
This is starting to look like batting practice for the Brewers. I would like to see Marquis go on the DL for a while to try to get his head together.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 01:55 PM
Mediocre or bad would be one thing. He is TERRIBLE.

Vegeta
05-20-2012, 01:56 PM
This one is gettin ugly quick. Side note. Even if you a Brewer fan how can you really cheer for Braun???????

USAFChief
05-20-2012, 01:56 PM
Jason Marquis...worst FA signing of the Terry Ryan era, or worst in baseball history? Discuss.

Ultima Ratio
05-20-2012, 01:56 PM
Does Marquis have a secondary pitch beyond grooving an 88mph sinker with little sink? Wait, I know the answer already.

mikeee
05-20-2012, 01:57 PM
I hope they yank him soon... geez.

Ultima Ratio
05-20-2012, 01:57 PM
Nothing like ending a nice winning streak with a pitcher knocking you out of it early. Good grief!

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 01:58 PM
DeVries and Bromberg on call. Marquis and Blackburn need to go away. The Twins have done a nice job figuring out their position players, it is now time to get rid of this garbage rotation.

glunn
05-20-2012, 01:59 PM
Finally Gardenhire pulls him. Now we need to get out of this inning and score 7 runs.

glunn
05-20-2012, 02:00 PM
Would it be possible to send Marquis to Rochester? No one would claim him?

glunn
05-20-2012, 02:02 PM
DeVries and Bromberg on call. Marquis and Blackburn need to go away. The Twins have done a nice job figuring out their position players, it is now time to get rid of this garbage rotation.

Blackburn appears to be gone. If only we could replace Marquis.

mikeee
05-20-2012, 02:02 PM
6 runs scored with 2 outs..

Ultima Ratio
05-20-2012, 02:02 PM
Would it be possible to send Marquis to Rochester? No one would claim him?

We would want some one to claim him to pay for his salary, right? 3 million dollar bargain ;)

twinswon1991
05-20-2012, 02:03 PM
Terry Ryan shouldve been fired the moment he signed Marquis to a mlb deal. No other team was willing to give him even a minor league deal. Add this to the loss of draft pick for Capps and you have the worst gm in the bigs.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 02:04 PM
Would it be possible to send Marquis to Rochester? No one would claim him?

Yeah, they can do that. But they should have already done that. 4-game winning streak and then the game is in the hands of a complete joke of a pitcher. People complain about Mauer's $23 million, but there is $3 million here and $4.5 or whatever with Blackburn . . . FAR worse payoff. The Twins could be 18 and 22 without those two.

Ultima Ratio
05-20-2012, 02:04 PM
Gibson, Gibson, my country for a healthy Gibson...

Boom Boom
05-20-2012, 02:04 PM
Marquis needs to work faster. Maybe he should move a little bit more on the rubber. Also he's got a tight quad.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 02:06 PM
Blackburn appears to be gone. If only we could replace Marquis.

Gone? I haven't read stuff today at all. More than 15-day DL?

USAFChief
05-20-2012, 02:10 PM
Marquis sort of makes you nostalgic for the days of Livan Hernandez.

mikeee
05-20-2012, 02:11 PM
Blackburn appears to be gone. If only we could replace Marquis.

Gone? Do you just mean the DL? Or has some transaction happened? I thought he still had a
couple years on a contract.

glunn
05-20-2012, 02:12 PM
Gone? I haven't read stuff today at all. More than 15-day DL?

I was being optimistic that Walters and Diamond will leave no room for Blackburn to come back.

Vegeta
05-20-2012, 02:19 PM
At least Swarzak is looking good.

Montecore
05-20-2012, 02:24 PM
You have to almost think that Ryan (and/or Gardenhire) wanted to sabotage the team, hurt the Pohlads by signing Marquis. No one wanted the guy, right? Yet, they picked him up. It just makes no sense. They could have found a homeless guy, signed him to the minimum and thrown him out there and the results would have been better.

mikeee
05-20-2012, 02:24 PM
Double play hurt..
I thought Grienke's pitch count was looking a little high, and he would not be in there late..

USAFChief
05-20-2012, 02:25 PM
Marquis needs to work faster..

I'm not sure you can give up 8 runs any faster than that. //rimshot//

Vegeta
05-20-2012, 02:26 PM
Eeesh another DP.

Vegeta
05-20-2012, 02:36 PM
Well this game is thoroughly outta hand. Now I am hoping for the little things like Braun breaking a leg, Revere hitting an in the parker. Hot chicks in the stands.

USAFChief
05-20-2012, 02:39 PM
Well this game is thoroughly outta hand. Now I am hoping for the little things like Braun breaking a leg, Revere hitting an in the parker. Hot chicks in the stands.

I would kill to have Braun on the Twins.

one_eyed_jack
05-20-2012, 02:40 PM
Marquis sort of makes you nostalgic for the days of Livan Hernandez.

---Heck, watching him makes me long for the days of Syndey Ponson.

I was skeptical of this signing when it happened, but I figured he'd have his ups and downs and we'd at least get some semi-competent innings out of him. I didn't think he'd be as godawful as he's been (since, oddly enough, his win in Yankee stadium.)

glunn
05-20-2012, 02:42 PM
Well this game is thoroughly outta hand. Now I am hoping for the little things like Braun breaking a leg, Revere hitting an in the parker. Hot chicks in the stands.

This might be a good time to let Doumit replace Mauer so Joe can get more rest, and put Mastro and Komatsu in to get some experience. And for the cameras to scan the stands for hot chicks.

glunn
05-20-2012, 02:44 PM
Hooray, Komatsu gets an AB, but strikes out.

Dilligaf69
05-20-2012, 02:44 PM
Bye Bye Jason!

glunn
05-20-2012, 02:56 PM
Why hasn't Gardenhire pulled Mauer from the game so he can get more rest?

ashburyjohn
05-20-2012, 03:22 PM
Why hasn't Gardenhire pulled Mauer from the game so he can get more rest?

This would leave him with only one catcher in reserve for the remainder of the game.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 03:31 PM
Haha, watching the Brewers broadcast on MLB.tv and they just talked about how Go-Go Gomez (who, I swear if he would have been drafted by the Twins and developed the way they develop players, could be a good-great MLB player right now) on his rehab assignment took the low-A Brewers team out to dinners, including "Hooters, where we killed over 100 chicken wings" . . . nice to see the dude smiling after a minor career derailment.

USAFChief
05-20-2012, 03:48 PM
Why in heavens name would duensing be up in the pen? Just let gray stay out there and take his licks.

Edit...and now duensing is in the game. I don't even want to hear the bullpen is worn out, Gardy. Part of it is your own fault.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 03:55 PM
Why in heavens name would duensing be up in the pen? Just let gray stay out there and take his licks.

Edit...and now duensing is in the game. I don't even want to hear the bullpen is worn out, Gardy. Part of it is your own fault.

I know! I was shocked to see that. Should have been a "well, this is your last appearance in MLB, so go after it" moment.

striker_86
05-20-2012, 04:00 PM
Terry Ryan shouldve been fired the moment he signed Marquis to a mlb deal. No other team was willing to give him even a minor league deal. Add this to the loss of draft pick for Capps and you have the worst gm in the bigs.

If Baker were healthy, Marquis would be in triple-A. Hendricks/Diamond would have taken the Marquis spot. So Terry Ryan is the worst GM in baseball for signing a bad #5 starter? Bill Smith was responsible for the Capps mess. And if Capps keeps pitching well (8 for 8 in Save opportunities), we will trade him to a contender who needs a closer or setup man.

one_eyed_jack
05-20-2012, 04:10 PM
Butera on the mound.

Now I've seen it all.

Though I'd rather have him starting than Marquis in 5 days.

Neinstein
05-20-2012, 04:12 PM
and Butera should be coming back out in the ninth.

:D

mnfireman
05-20-2012, 04:13 PM
Day off tomorrow, all hands on deck.

one_eyed_jack
05-20-2012, 04:13 PM
Wow, scoreless inning for Butera.

All we need is a couple of touchdowns with 2-point conversions, and we can get him a W.

Dilligaf69
05-20-2012, 04:22 PM
Was Willigham taken out cuz of injury or the score???

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 04:26 PM
Drew proving how indeed he can save the pitching staff.

Montecore
05-20-2012, 04:28 PM
Have to wonder if the Ryan (and/or Gardenhire?) signing of Marquis wasn't a deliberate sabotage of the franchise, a burn it all to hell going away present. Nobody wanted the guy, right? Yet, they gave him $3 mill. It's not as if he was coming off an injury and that scared teams away. You knew what you were getting with him, i.e. garbage. It doesn't make sense.

USAFChief
05-20-2012, 04:34 PM
If Baker were healthy, Marquis would be in triple-A. Hendricks/Diamond would have taken the Marquis spot. So Terry Ryan is the worst GM in baseball for signing a bad #5 starter? Bill Smith was responsible for the Capps mess. And if Capps keeps pitching well (8 for 8 in Save opportunities), we will trade him to a contender who needs a closer or setup man.

Baker was healthy as far as anyone knew when marquis was signed. Bakers health is unrelated.

IdahoPilgrim
05-20-2012, 04:37 PM
You know, you look at the box score and see that a catcher (Butera) threw more strikeouts than the starter, and that kinda says it all, doesn't it.

mikeee
05-20-2012, 04:40 PM
You know, you look at the box score and see that a catcher (Butera) threw more strikeouts than the starter, and that kinda says it all, doesn't it.

He hit 94mph on a pitch.
That's faster than most of the starters can throw it.

Shane Wahl
05-20-2012, 04:41 PM
He hit 94mph on a pitch.
That's faster than most of the starters can throw it.

no longer watching. you can't be serious.

mikeee
05-20-2012, 05:02 PM
no longer watching. you can't be serious.

Gameday said one pitch was 94 and another was 93mph.

Alex
05-20-2012, 05:17 PM
The Mauer AB in the first inning pisses me off to no end. #3 hitter up with a runner on second. he shud be looking for a pitch to drive. He watches two fastballs down the middle and now he's in defensive mode and makes a weak swing at a 2 strike pitch with predictable results.

Focus less on one AB. You'll be happier knowing that Mauer has been awesome this year with RISP.

ashburyjohn
05-20-2012, 05:47 PM
Drew proving how indeed he can save the pitching staff.

Now we understand why Pavano wants him as his personal catcher. He's afraid Drew will replace him in the rotation otherwise.

adjacent
05-20-2012, 08:26 PM
Baker was healthy as far as anyone knew when marquis was signed. Bakers health is unrelated.

I beg to differ. Baker was hurt last year, and he never really healed. He did rest during the winter but when he tried to start going, got hurt again. They took a chance, but experienced medical staff should know that they were taking a big chance. But then again, is the Twins medical staff. In summary, regarding to starting pitching, the only thing the Twins did was signing Marquis, hoping and praying.

Alex
05-20-2012, 08:51 PM
I beg to differ. Baker was hurt last year, and he never really healed. He did rest during the winter but when he tried to start going, got hurt again. They took a chance, but experienced medical staff should know that they were taking a big chance. But then again, is the Twins medical staff. In summary, regarding to starting pitching, the only thing the Twins did was signing Marquis, hoping and praying.

I posted in more detail in the Marquis thread, but I think the Twins' hands were tied with regard to their rotation, maybe more than anywhere else on their roster. With regard to most of it, I think they were kind of stuck with the hoping and praying part to some extent.

glunn
05-21-2012, 01:01 AM
I am thankful for the off day tomorrow.

CDog
05-21-2012, 09:23 AM
The Mauer AB in the first inning pisses me off to no end. #3 hitter up with a runner on second. he shud be looking for a pitch to drive. He watches two fastballs down the middle and now he's in defensive mode and makes a weak swing at a 2 strike pitch with predictable results.

Mauer took three pitches that were called strikes against Grienke on the day. One was outside the zone. The other two were low and away, one actually cutting the outer border of the strike zone, and the other barely above the lower border of the zone and not far from the outer edge. None were anywhere close to down the middle. When you have to tell a lie to make your point, it's probably not a very good point.