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Seth Stohs
05-17-2012, 11:09 AM
Twins Lineup:

Ben Revere CF
Brian Dozier SS
Joe Mauer 1B
Josh Willingham LF
Justin Morneau DH
Trevor Plouffe RF
Alexi Casilla 2B
Drew Butera C
Jamey Carroll 3B

SP: PJ Walters

Tigers SP: Doug Fister

travistwinstalk
05-17-2012, 11:28 AM
What happened to this, "Justin Morneau will be the 1st baseman until further notice" well I guess further notice was 2 games.

Mauerzy4Prez
05-17-2012, 11:30 AM
With his double last night maybe Gardy thought it was too important to keep Drew in the lineup.... NOT!!!

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-17-2012, 11:31 AM
With Doumit out, this makes some sense - they probably were going to have Doumit catch and Mauer DH today.

stringer bell
05-17-2012, 11:48 AM
With Doumit out, this makes some sense - they probably were going to have Doumit catch and Mauer DH today.

Doumit caught and Mauer DHed yesterday, you would think that it was Mauer's turn to catch. However, I suppose they didn't want Morneau to go 18 innings in the field in 24 hours.

travistwinstalk
05-17-2012, 11:53 AM
plus with going to Milwaukee Morneau is likely going to have to play 1st all 3 games so maybe they wanted to get him a day before the series with Milwaukee.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-17-2012, 11:54 AM
Doumit caught and Mauer DHed yesterday, you would think that it was Mauer's turn to catch. However, I suppose they didn't want Morneau to go 18 innings in the field in 24 hours.

oh -oops. In that case, yeah, it would be nice to have a better hitter than Butera in the lineup.

Thrylos
05-17-2012, 12:15 PM
Mauer needs to be catching some games... I'd rather see Mauer C, Morneau 1B, Willingham DH and Mastroianni at the OF. And if Span is hurt and out and Doumit is hurt and out one needs to go to the DL. Going into NL play tomorrow this is nuts.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-17-2012, 12:17 PM
Maybe putting Butera in the lineup gives Gardy more bench flexibility with Doumit and Span technically active but not able to play?

Thrylos
05-17-2012, 12:18 PM
Maybe putting Butera in the lineup gives Gardy more bench flexibility with Doumit and Span technically active but not able to play?

Flexibility? In what way? And he has him hit in front of Carroll (again) too

ashburyjohn
05-17-2012, 12:31 PM
And he has him hit in front of Carroll (again) too

Looks to me like Gardenhire wants Carroll as the permanent #9 hitter (that will change with NL games of course). It's one school of thought to put a leadoff-type hitter at #9, someone with the same skillset but less talented than your actual leadoff. That way, after the 1st inning of course, you have two consecutive OBP guys setting the table for the big hitters. Carroll will steal a base and his OBP is .322 this morning despite the low BA - higher than all but 4 players on the team, all of whom do not belong at #9. It's more of an insult to bat #8 in this mindset, and that's where Butera is (and belongs).

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 12:31 PM
Nice play by Dozier. He has looked like a MLB shortstop so far.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 12:38 PM
That Butera is IN the lineup is what matters, not whether he hits 8th or 9th.

Honestly, some people just look for things to bitch about. They end up making themselves look uninformed in the process.

twinswon1991
05-17-2012, 12:39 PM
Mauer was too exhausted after DHing to catch today???????? What a wimp! To come close to earning half hisbpat he needs to catch 140 games. Instead we have a liability at catcher today and a Judy playing first.

Jim Crikket
05-17-2012, 12:44 PM
nice double by that .294 hitting liability.

Yoshii
05-17-2012, 12:47 PM
Its not like Butera has been hitting the ball terribly this year geez.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 12:49 PM
Atta boy Mauersie.

Yoshii
05-17-2012, 12:51 PM
And Morneau needs to do more of that! Good to see though.

edit: First back to back of the year?

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 12:53 PM
Good swing from Morneausie.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-17-2012, 12:53 PM
Flexibility? In what way? And he has him hit in front of Carroll (again) too

Flexibility meaning that you have Mastro on the bench, who can fill in for almost anyone on the field in case of injury. If Butera's on the bench, you only have Komatsu available...

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 12:54 PM
Well, it is time for optimism. Morneau in his second game back homers and Plouffe homers for the second game in a row!

mike wants wins
05-17-2012, 12:55 PM
If Butera isn't catching, who is the DH with this lineup? I mean, that's really the issue....besides, Mauer has not rested much. If Doumit is hurt, playing Butera 1-2 times a week should not be an issue. Not even sure who the DH should be if not Mauer ...though for me, it would probably be Willingham, with Revere in left. I don't care what Butera has hit in a handful of at bats this year, that is very likely not an indication of how we should expect him to hit the rest of the year.

StormJH1
05-17-2012, 12:55 PM
Wow, just turned this game on with MLB At-Bat. Morneau and Plouffe back-to-back!

If Plouffe continues to mash, it really begs the question why the hell we have been screwing around with Doumit, Clete Thomas, Komatsu, and Mastroianni in the outfield.

TwinsGuy55422
05-17-2012, 12:56 PM
Good to see Morneau put a good swing on the ball, especially driving it to left center. Hopefully, Plouffe is starting to gain some confidence as well.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 12:57 PM
What's gotten into Plouffe? Did he finally realize his roster spot was in jeopardy? Just hit .250 with 20 HR's and we'll keep you around!

StormJH1
05-17-2012, 12:57 PM
If Butera isn't catching, who is the DH with this lineup? I mean, that's really the issue....besides, Mauer has not rested much. If Doumit is hurt, playing Butera 1-2 times a week should not be an issue. Not even sure who the DH should be if not Mauer ...though for me, it would probably be Willingham, with Revere in left. I don't care what Butera has hit in a handful of at bats this year, that is very likely not an indication of how we should expect him to hit the rest of the year.
We know how Gardy feels about DH'ing Mauer when Butera catches. Then again, Willingham could be an emergency catcher...it really isn't the end of the world to have to limp through a few innings with a guy out of position. Not like we're playing for the pennant this year.

StormJH1
05-17-2012, 12:58 PM
What's gotten into Plouffe? Did he finally realize his roster spot was in jeopardy? Just hit .250 with 20 HR's and we'll keep you around!
You'd think so, but Garrett Jones did that for Pittsburgh after we let him go. (Yes, I'm aware Garrett Jones was terrible for the Twins, I watched those games :))

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:01 PM
You'd think so, but Garrett Jones did that for Pittsburgh after we let him go. (Yes, I'm aware Garrett Jones was terrible for the Twins, I watched those games :))

Ok, well we'd keep him around for this season anyway....then let him go to be picked up by Pittsburgh! :p

mike wants wins
05-17-2012, 01:01 PM
Nothing has gotten into Plouffe, he is neither the guy who hit .114 (or whatever), nor the guy that will hit a HR in every game like the last two days. This is why you don't play a guy for 10 games and make a decision that is contrary to years of data from the minors and majors....(positive or negative).

TwinsGuy55422
05-17-2012, 01:01 PM
Mauer does not appear to be running well. That double play grounder he hit was not hit hard and I thought it would have been a much closer play at first.

TwinsGuy55422
05-17-2012, 01:03 PM
Walters sure seems to have calmed down after being a little wild on the first. Hopefully his pitch count will stay low enough for him to give us 7 solid innings today.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 01:04 PM
Nothing has gotten into Plouffe, he is neither the guy who hit .114 (or whatever), nor the guy that will hit a HR in every game like the last two days. This is why you don't play a guy for 10 games and make a decision that is contrary to years of data from the minors and majors....(positive or negative).

Nice post.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:05 PM
PJ....Don't think....Just throw!

976

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:07 PM
God I hate it when Revere can't get on base....Oh wait....

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 01:07 PM
Do not bunt, dozier!!!

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:09 PM
Mauer does not appear to be running well. That double play grounder he hit was not hit hard and I thought it would have been a much closer play at first.

Maybe it's bi-lateral shoelace weakness....

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 01:12 PM
Hard to tell from the TV shot, but I wonder if the LFer was playing shallower for Mauer than for Revere.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:22 PM
Great AB by Hammer.... Fister can't go too much longer already being at 87 pitches.

stringer bell
05-17-2012, 01:23 PM
Tigers need three DHs!

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:30 PM
Drew must have told him it was going to be a fastball....

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 01:35 PM
Butera is hitting this year. What the hell?

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:37 PM
Butera is hitting this year. What the hell?

Could it be Bruno?

ScottyB
05-17-2012, 01:40 PM
Butera is hitting this year. What the hell?

Who the hell is this guy - our catcher with the highest batting average - .316????

Gernzy
05-17-2012, 01:41 PM
Butera is hitting this year. What the hell?

He's silenceing the haters...I love it.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:42 PM
Walters should probably stop throwing that 4-seam fastball. Both HR's have come on that pitch.

TwinsGuy55422
05-17-2012, 01:42 PM
Not only is he hitting, but he is hitting the ball solidly. I could handle more of this.

Jim Crikket
05-17-2012, 01:45 PM
Hmmm... Maybe Walters should only pitch at Target Field.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 01:46 PM
Could it be Bruno?

Could it be the magic of a small sample size?

He's contributed offensively so far. Good for him. Good for the Twins.

It's extremely unlikely to continue.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:47 PM
Perhaps it's time for Walters to call it a day...Let's take the "quality start" and run!

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 01:47 PM
Under normal circumstances I'd be looking for the bullpen in the 7th. But with the bullpen in the shape it's in, I think you gotta hope for another inning from Walters.

TwinsGuy55422
05-17-2012, 01:48 PM
Keep the ball in the ball park please. Only 3 hits given up but all 3 have been HRs.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 01:48 PM
Could it be the magic of a small sample size?

He's contributed offensively so far. Good for him. Good for the Twins.

It's extremely unlikely to continue.

He's hit well in Rochester too.....Maybe Bruno's helped him out a little....Just sayin'

Dilligaf69
05-17-2012, 01:49 PM
Really...you groove one to Prince on a 3-1 count???? rather put him on and take my chances with DY who promptly grounds into whay may have been a inning ending DP....Plus still way too many LOB for the Twins.....UGGGG!

Dilligaf69
05-17-2012, 01:51 PM
Under normal circumstances I'd be looking for the bullpen in the 7th. But with the bullpen in the shape it's in, I think you gotta hope for another inning from Walters.


He at 76 pitches....you put him back out there for sure. Have someone warming up but he definitely goes back out.

TwinVike61
05-17-2012, 01:59 PM
He's hit well in Rochester too.....Maybe Bruno's helped him out a little....Just sayin'

Agreed...give him the benefit of the doubt that he may have actually improved and is now a better hitter (although he had set that bar pretty low).

striker_86
05-17-2012, 01:59 PM
yeah, its too bad everyone but Capps pitched yesterday. Cant trust Frankie in this situation. Burton threw 14 pitches last night and Perkins threw 10. Maybe one of those guys?

Jim Crikket
05-17-2012, 01:59 PM
I suppose it's encouraging that he gave up a hit and managed to keep it in the ballpark? :)

TwinsGuy55422
05-17-2012, 02:03 PM
Here comes Liriano!

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-17-2012, 02:04 PM
oh boy - Frankie's coming in

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 02:05 PM
Liriano out to test my theory about him . . .

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:06 PM
Frankie....Don't think, just throw.

977

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 02:07 PM
Boom. 1-4-3 DP.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-17-2012, 02:07 PM
Three Sliders - great job!

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:08 PM
Three sliders....double play.... He got the job done.

Now....do you send him out there in the 8th? Or do you let him take this small victory and let him build on it?

striker_86
05-17-2012, 02:10 PM
Three sliders....double play.... He got the job done.

Now....do you send him out there in the 8th? Or do you let him take this small victory and let him build on it?

Jeez i dunno. If Burton or Perkins have anything in the tank, I would throw them out there. Capps it pitching the 9th no matter the score.

Dilligaf69
05-17-2012, 02:12 PM
oh boy - Frankie's coming in


DP coming up...you watch!

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:13 PM
Jeez i dunno. If Burton or Perkins have anything in the tank, I would throw them out there. Capps it pitching the 9th no matter the score.


I just worry he's going to sit in the dugout and think about the next inning.....And then he'll go out and press.

Dilligaf69
05-17-2012, 02:13 PM
Told ya!:D

Dilligaf69
05-17-2012, 02:14 PM
I send Liriano back out for the 8th but Perkins could probably go again. Another run or five would be nice.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:15 PM
My guess is Liriano comes out for the 8th.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:15 PM
I send Liriano back out for the 8th but Perkins could probably go again. Another run or five would be nice.

I guess who else would you throw out there....Swarzak?

Dilligaf69
05-17-2012, 02:16 PM
What's gotten into Drew???

twinzgrl
05-17-2012, 02:18 PM
Third hit for Butera.....where are the haters now?

TwinVike61
05-17-2012, 02:20 PM
Carroll did a good job fouling off pitches until he got the right strike to watch sail by...

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:21 PM
Perkins it is....

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:23 PM
Third hit for Butera.....where are the haters now?

Some of us don't change our opinions after every PA.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:24 PM
Geez...if they needed someone to come in and throw 7 straight balls, they could have left Liriano in.....

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 02:25 PM
Three sliders....double play.... He got the job done.

Now....do you send him out there in the 8th? Or do you let him take this small victory and let him build on it?

If Blackburn didn't suck and yesterday wasn't so 'pen heavy, I would have gone lefty/righty with Liriano, Burton, and Perkins.

striker_86
05-17-2012, 02:25 PM
This is going to be a brutal loss....

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 02:27 PM
96 mph wickedness!

Jim Crikket
05-17-2012, 02:27 PM
Wow... well that was... fortunate.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:28 PM
Delmon comes through in the clutch for the Twins.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-17-2012, 02:28 PM
Perkins was just toying with them, see? It's all part of the plan...

TwinVike61
05-17-2012, 02:28 PM
Perkins must have just wanted to face Delmon.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:30 PM
That was Guardado-esque...

one_eyed_jack
05-17-2012, 02:31 PM
I feel very strongly that we need an insurance run here.

Montecore
05-17-2012, 02:31 PM
Glenn Perkins *****

If Capps blows this game...

striker_86
05-17-2012, 02:35 PM
Who said we didnt get anything in return for Delmon Young!

TwinVike61
05-17-2012, 02:36 PM
Whew... now at least Joe can't ground into a double play...

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:37 PM
If there was any doubt about what other teams think about Mauer, you just had proof.

1st base open, runner on 2nd, RH hitter on deck, RH pitcher on the mound, 1 run game in the 9th, and they pitch to him. With a fastball.

striker_86
05-17-2012, 02:38 PM
Cmon get Revere home here.

Highabove
05-17-2012, 02:39 PM
Fasten your Seat belts

stringer bell
05-17-2012, 02:40 PM
Let's see if Capps has his good stuff today.

CDog
05-17-2012, 02:41 PM
If there was any doubt about what other teams think about Mauer, you just had proof.

1st base open, runner on 2nd, RH hitter on deck, RH pitcher on the mound, 1 run game in the 9th, and they pitch to him. With a fastball.

...Says the man who once said he doesn't allow individual plate appearances to prove things. That was a long time ago, of course.

CDog
05-17-2012, 02:42 PM
"Watching" on Gameday (shhhhh)...Anyone know the significance of the various colors of the trail of the pitches that are shown? Did a google search and looked briefly at the site, but couldn't find a quick answer.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:44 PM
...Says the man who once said he doesn't allow individual plate appearances to prove things. That was a long time ago, of course.

Perhaps you missed the point. Yet again. Do try to keep up.

This has nothing to do with the results of that PA. This has to do with what other teams think of Mauer as a hitter.

There was a time when every manager in the league puts Mauer on in that situation.

James
05-17-2012, 02:45 PM
Let's hope this is not our only series sweep of the year.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:46 PM
Well....how do you like that?!?! A 1-2-3 9th and a two game sweep....

Top Gun
05-17-2012, 02:46 PM
Twins sweep hehehe.......

Jim Crikket
05-17-2012, 02:47 PM
Sweeps sure feel better when your team is the sweeper than the sweepee.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:48 PM
I still think Detroit wins the Central, but that infield didn't look too snappy this series.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:49 PM
Perhaps you missed the point. Yet again. Do try to keep up.

C'mon man....no need for that.... We're all friends here.

mike wants wins
05-17-2012, 02:49 PM
Sweeps sure feel better when your team is the sweeper than the sweepee.

No kidding. Nice job by the team today, from what you can see on gamecast. The lineup is just so much better with Dozier, Morneau, and Willingham in there....when Doumit comes back, it looks like a MLB roster again mostly.

Gernzy
05-17-2012, 02:50 PM
Sweeps feel better when its againist Detroit too! Good game for the boys. Bullpen came though again. Capps still perfect for saves.

TwinsGuy55422
05-17-2012, 02:52 PM
Nice win. Nice sweep. Another encouraging outing by Walters. There are some positive things you can look towards on this team.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:52 PM
C'mon man....no need for that.... We're all friends here.

No we're not.

Dilligaf69
05-17-2012, 02:53 PM
Winning streak!

ashburyjohn
05-17-2012, 02:53 PM
Very efficient inning by Capps, with ten pitches. Avila gave him a battle, then Boesch and Peralta made life easy.

Not so efficient for the Twins offense though. OBP .389, SLG .500, yet only 4 runs, and one of those was charged to the defense.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 02:54 PM
Nice outing from Walters. Certainly not overpowering, but competent.

I continue to like Dozier. At the least he looks pretty darn comfortable at SS.

MileHighTwinsFan
05-17-2012, 02:56 PM
Tigers defense looked horrible in this series. Fielder is a major liability at 1st. How long until the Tigers go get a 3B, put Cabrera at 1st, and put Fielder in the DH spot.

SirLoin
05-17-2012, 02:57 PM
Tigers defense looked horrible in this series. Fielder is a major liability at 1st. How long until the Tigers go get a 3B, put Cabrera at 1st, and put Fielder in the DH spot.

I don't understand why they didn't do that in the first place...

TwinVike61
05-17-2012, 03:04 PM
I don't understand why they didn't do that in the first place...

Maybe cuz they'd have to put the Tasmanian Delmon in the field more.

puck34
05-17-2012, 03:08 PM
With the Diamond Cutter tomorrow night, three in a row is a real possibility!

lee_the_twins_fan
05-17-2012, 03:11 PM
What does it mean when the Twins' player with the highest batting average after play on Thursday is... Drew Butera, at .350. He had three hits in four AB. That gives him seven hits in 20 AB.

Go Drew!!!

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 03:42 PM
Butera also perfectly framed that strikeout pitch against Avila that was actually outside.

Top Gun
05-17-2012, 03:53 PM
Keith Law of ESPN.com reports that the Padres have designated Orlando Hudson for assignment.

The Padres have yet to make an official announcement, but the writing has been on the wall for a while now. Hudson has batted just .238/.313/.344 since joining the Padres and the recently-acquired Alexi Amarista lingers as an alternative in the minor leagues. The Padres would still be responsible for the remainder of Hudson's $5.5 million salary this year and his $2 million buyout in 2013, so the 34-year-old shouldn't have any trouble drawing interest at the major league minimum. Stay tuned.


Source: Keith Law on Twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/keithlaw/status/203218352620056576)

CDog
05-17-2012, 04:09 PM
Perhaps you missed the point. Yet again. Do try to keep up.

This has nothing to do with the results of that PA. This has to do with what other teams think of Mauer as a hitter.

There was a time when every manager in the league puts Mauer on in that situation.

Ohhhhhhhhh. I see. Seemed quick to have had a conference call with other managers. Or is it general managers? Owners? Bench coaches? Is it all of the other teams on one big call or just some of them? Within the division? The whole league? Or do they get together before the games? I guess I don't know how many teams get involved with Leyland there. There's a lot for me to learn.

Shane Wahl
05-17-2012, 05:12 PM
I think that was more about the quality of reliever on the mound and not about Mauer. Gas and moving gas ain't nuthin to ____ with as Wu-Tang would say.

James
05-17-2012, 05:20 PM
Tigers defense looked horrible in this series. Fielder is a major liability at 1st. How long until the Tigers go get a 3B, put Cabrera at 1st, and put Fielder in the DH spot.
This was really a move for next year when they have Martinez back. Then what are you going to do with 3 DH's.

USAFChief
05-17-2012, 06:32 PM
There's a lot for me to learn.

Yes. Yes there is. I'll do my best to point these things--things that baseball people notice--out to you.

I think that was more about the quality of reliever on the mound and not about Mauer.


Are we talking about the same Brayan Villarreal here? The guy with less than 20 major league innings under his belt, with a 1.9 WHIP, ERA over 6? The guy just recalled to Detriot today, when they went to 13 pitchers? That Brayan Villarreal?

I think you might be making my point for me.

scottyc35
05-17-2012, 07:24 PM
so many positives today! welcome back, Ben Revere! Let's keep him when Doumit is back, yes? but the thing that is making me laugh is Butera's current line of .350/.381/.450 !!! What planet is this??? gotta love it

glunn
05-17-2012, 10:48 PM
This was an encouraging game. Now let's win the series against the Brewers.

Shane Wahl
05-18-2012, 12:47 AM
Are we talking about the same Brayan Villarreal here? The guy with less than 20 major league innings under his belt, with a 1.9 WHIP, ERA over 6? The guy just recalled to Detriot today, when they went to 13 pitchers? That Brayan Villarreal?

I think you might be making my point for me.

Sorry, I should have said the quality of that fastball, maybe not the pitcher. That fastball was pretty wicked. I assume the approach was that if you try to pitch around Mauer, you are guaranteed to walk him and putting two guys on base is not what they wanted to do there.

Your generalization about the league and Mauer is laughable given the number of walks he draws.

USAFChief
05-18-2012, 01:13 AM
Sorry, I should have said the quality of that fastball, maybe not the pitcher. That fastball was pretty wicked. I assume the approach was that if you try to pitch around Mauer, you are guaranteed to walk him and putting two guys on base is not what they wanted to do there.

Your generalization about the league and Mauer is laughable given the number of walks he draws.
Putting Mauer on 1st, with a RH hitter on deck, was such obvious strategy there that it's quite noticable when Leyland didn't even consider it, and it wouldn't have happened in the recent past. It tells you a lot about what scouts are saying about Mauer as a hitter...they thought they could throw a fastball by him, and from a pretty inexperienced and nondescript pitcher to boot. Putting two guys on base wasn't the issue. It's the 9th inning. One run is huge, and was already in scoring position. A single plates a pretty big run, second and subsequent runs are decreasingly important at that point. Had the situation been reversed, and Cabrera been up against a LH pitcher, I'd bet a lot of money Gardy takes the bat out of his hand and elects to face Fielder.

I would also wager it was noticed in the Twins dugout. And I bet if you could somehow ask Mauer, he'd admit he was surprised and a bit embarrassed they pitched to him in that situation.

twinsnorth49
05-18-2012, 01:19 AM
Yes. Yes there is. I'll do my best to point these things--things that baseball people notice--out to you.

I think that was more about the quality of reliever on the mound and not about Mauer.


Are we talking about the same Brayan Villarreal here? The guy with less than 20 major league innings under his belt, with a 1.9 WHIP, ERA over 6? The guy just recalled to Detriot today, when they went to 13 pitchers? That Brayan Villarreal?

I think you might be making my point for me.

Wow, I'm in the cyber company of real baseball people, ones I've never heard of but they say so.

You're way to full of yourself dude, just saying.

Shane Wahl
05-18-2012, 02:29 AM
See now you're just saying stuff. Willingham's RH/LH splits are minimal. He still hits RH pitching very well. Unless you actually find out that in such situations Leyland more often than not elects to intentionally walk the guy, I think you are making WAY too much out of this, which is common for Mauer-bashers. I don't even want to list some possible explanations, but here you go:

One, Leyland knows that Willingham hits RH very well. And that he is hitting extremely well, generally this year.
Two, Villareal's fastball was damn good and it may not have mattered, at all, who was hitting. They were going to pitch to him. How often do flame-throwers intentionally walk anybody? I know it happens, but how often.
Three, maybe since Villareal was indeed just called up, Leyland wanted to see how he dealt with the challenge (of, you know, pitching to an excellent hitter) and to give someone who has struggled a jolt of confidence.

I am not going on. I doubt the Twins dugout gave a rat's ass about it.

twinsnorth49
05-18-2012, 08:31 AM
See now you're just saying stuff. Willingham's RH/LH splits are minimal. He still hits RH pitching very well. Unless you actually find out that in such situations Leyland more often than not elects to intentionally walk the guy, I think you are making WAY too much out of this, which is common for Mauer-bashers. I don't even want to list some possible explanations, but here you go:

One, Leyland knows that Willingham hits RH very well. And that he is hitting extremely well, generally this year.
Two, Villareal's fastball was damn good and it may not have mattered, at all, who was hitting. They were going to pitch to him. How often do flame-throwers intentionally walk anybody? I know it happens, but how often.
Three, maybe since Villareal was indeed just called up, Leyland wanted to see how he dealt with the challenge (of, you know, pitching to an excellent hitter) and to give someone who has struggled a jolt of confidence.

I am not going on. I doubt the Twins dugout gave a rat's ass about it.

Fister was terrified of Willingham all afternoon, I assume Leyland was as well.