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Seth Stohs
05-04-2012, 01:20 PM
The Twins claimed 24 year old OF Erik Komatsu and Designated Clete Thomas for Assignment. Also, Sean Burroughs cleared waivers and was outrighted to AAA Rochester.

He was the Cardinals' Rule 5 pick and made the opening day roster. However, he has just four hits in 19 at bats. No surprise considering he played in AA last year with the Brewers and then the Nationals (after being traded in a deadline deal). He will need to remain on the Twins roster or be offered back to the Nationals.

Clete Thomas made a strong first impression with the Twins, hitting a ball to the warning track in his first AB against Neftali Feliz and then homering to deep right field in his second at bat. Since then, he has put up some very impressive strikeout numbers.

Burroughs was signed to a minor league contract and got just 18 at bats with the Twins before being DFAd earlier this week.

Feel free to discuss.


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mikeee
05-04-2012, 01:24 PM
seeya clete.

Thrylos
05-04-2012, 01:30 PM
.211/.286/.211 with the Cardinals this season. LHB can play all 3 OF positions. Speed not much power. 24 years old. I really do not see what he has over someone like Revere or Mastroianni...

TiberTwins
05-04-2012, 01:31 PM
The Erik Komatsu era has begun.

James
05-04-2012, 01:35 PM
.211/.286/.211 with the Cardinals this season. LHB can play all 3 OF positions. Speed not much power. 24 years old. I really do not see what he has over someone like Revere or Mastroianni...
Agreed. I don't know what to think when baseball-reference lists him as a pinch hitter first.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/komater01.shtml?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker&utm_campaign=Linker

On a positive note, we don't have to deal with Clete Thomas anymore.

Gernzy
05-04-2012, 01:42 PM
Interesting, We'll see what happens.

Thrylos
05-04-2012, 01:43 PM
Erik Komachu's twitter account is @KomoBeatz (https://twitter.com/#!/KomoBeatz) FYI

gmarais66
05-04-2012, 01:55 PM
Well, he had some pretty good minor league numbers.... At least for the moment, it's something to be hopeful about..... I guess it would be tough for him to be worse than Clete, who made Drew Butera look like Ted Williams... In all seriousness, I know Clete is a much better player than he showed in his time with the Twins, he just picked the worst time possible to go into a horrible slump... He'll likely get a chance somewhere else and hopefully he can turn things around... At least Ryan is not letting the bad eggs rot on the shelf... He's dumping them and trying to find one that doesn't stink...

gmarais66
05-04-2012, 01:58 PM
I don't know what to think when baseball-reference lists him as a pinch hitter first.

I think that's because the majority of his appearances with the Cardinals were as a pinch hitter...

ashburyjohn
05-04-2012, 02:04 PM
I think that's because in five of his seven appearances with the Cardinals, he came into the game as a replacement player...

Yeah, looks like B-R automates everything they can. And in his major league career, PH is what he's been, according to his game log. He's had more than seven appearances, though.

Seth Stohs
05-04-2012, 02:06 PM
.211/.286/.211 with the Cardinals this season. LHB can play all 3 OF positions. Speed not much power. 24 years old. I really do not see what he has over someone like Revere or Mastroianni...

Rule 5 guy who had never played above AA. So I don't care about the 19 at bats in the big leagues. Revere and Mastroianni provide very little, so hopefully in a year or two, this guy can be good... (Note - i don't anticipate it)

Seth Stohs
05-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Yeah, looks like B-R automates everything they can. And in his major league career, PH is what he's been, according to his game log. He's had more than seven appearances, though.

Pinch-hitting is what most Rule 5 guys that make a roster do. You try to hide him at the back of the bench or the back of the bullpen. The Twins aren't competing this year. it's ok to 'hide' guys on the bench for the future. And yeah, can't be any/much worse than Clete Thomas.

Thrylos
05-04-2012, 02:10 PM
Rule 5 guy who had never played above AA. So I don't care about the 19 at bats in the big leagues. Revere and Mastroianni provide very little, so hopefully in a year or two, this guy can be good... (Note - i don't anticipate it)

I actually did a bit more research:
He hit .323/.413/.442 in A+ in 2010 and was the Brewers MiLB player of the year. And that was FSL, so it projects. Last season he had a .294/.393/.416 line in AA Huntsville before traded to the Nats at the deadline. Projects as a CF and leadoff hitter.

Revere and Mastro did not do anything that good at those levels (well, Mastro might this season but he is oldest). The fact that he is actually a prospect and CFer makes me think that a. the Twins do not think much about Revere and b. Span might be going sooner than later

adjacent
05-04-2012, 02:14 PM
Maybe I am missing something, but if there is something that the Twins have, it is outfielders. Mastroianni and Revere could play similar roles. If you are going to take a fly, why not look for pitching?

CDog
05-04-2012, 02:19 PM
Maybe I am missing something, but if there is something that the Twins have, it is outfielders. Mastroianni and Revere could play similar roles. If you are going to take a fly, why not look for pitching?

Was there a particular pitcher recently on the waiver wire that you're thinking of?

mike wants wins
05-04-2012, 02:21 PM
I like picking up young guys with some upside....much better idea than most of the decisions this year so far.

LaBombo
05-04-2012, 02:25 PM
Pinch-hitting is what most Rule 5 guys that make a roster do. You try to hide him at the back of the bench or the back of the bullpen. The Twins aren't competing this year. it's ok to 'hide' guys on the bench for the future. And yeah, can't be any/much worse than Clete Thomas.

Komatsu takes Clete's role, which is placeholder for Revere so Ben can play every day and possibly develop into a poor man's Denard Span. Then we can trade Span for the next Jeff Diamond and the next Clete Thomas...

luckylager
05-04-2012, 02:32 PM
Definitely worth taking a look at Komatsu. He's playing a bit over his head having never played AAA but was the Brewers minor league player of the year in 2010. Has much more upside than Clete.

Rosterman
05-04-2012, 02:35 PM
Well, you have to keep him all year to keep him, or get $25,000 grand if he stinks (and no one else claims him). Still, can't quite understand...Carsom. Wilkin, Mastro...aren't they basically place setters.

I wish I really knew what the Twins think of Ben Revere. If they don't really see him in their future, they could've possibly shipped him to the Red Sox for Bowden, which would've been a lopsided deal...except if the Twin s don't really see Revere in their future.

he again, they are hanging onto #1 draft pick Trevor Plo
uffe and squandering him in the utility role.

Top Gun
05-04-2012, 02:35 PM
Twins sent 3B Sean Burroughs outright to Triple-A Rochester.

He cleared waivers and has accepted his assignment. Burroughs managed just two hits in 17 at-bats with the Twins but might get another shot at some point.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-04-2012, 02:41 PM
When I saw that Komatsu was available, I thought "Why not?" At this point, he can't be any worse than Clete Thomas was.

Teflon
05-04-2012, 02:41 PM
This move is akin to changing out the cupholders in your Aztek.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-04-2012, 02:42 PM
He has more upside than Thomas (and is better), but Komatsu needs more time in the minors and unfortunately we can't stash him there. I think Mastroianni should have been promoted instead of this signing. He fills the role much better and is on fire in AAA.

glanzer
05-04-2012, 02:48 PM
Judging strictly by the first dozen Komatsu Tweets, it seems like he and Danny V are gonna be besties.

nicksaviking
05-04-2012, 02:57 PM
I have no problem taking a shot with a young guy who still has potential. The team might get lucky, even so, OF is one spot where the team actually does have multiple options. However this probably speaks volumes as to how the Twins feel about Trevor Plouffe's future and maybe Ben Revere's too. This is the second time the Twins have picked up a waiver-wire dump off, instead of giving either of those players a real shot at a full time gig. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I don't think anyone can get a fair read on Plouffe if he can't get more than a couple days at a time getting starts at the same position.

gmarais66
05-04-2012, 03:02 PM
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I don't think anyone can get a fair read on Plouffe if he can't get more than a couple days at a time getting starts at the same position.

Plouffe is having trouble getting a read on those balls hit to him in the outfield... I think that's the issue... Outside of 2011, Plouffe has nothing in his minor league stats that suggests he is some great talent that just needs time... I think we've seen the top of the Plouffe mountian and the view ain't that great... Komatsu at least has a minor league history of strong play, suggesting he has potential...

gmarais66
05-04-2012, 03:04 PM
Judging strictly by the first dozen Komatsu Tweets, it seems like he and Danny V are gonna be besties.

Yikes.... Well, at least he has confidence....

greengoblinrulz
05-04-2012, 03:10 PM
Am I not understanding the rule, why wasnt WASH first given the right to take him back for the 25K before he was placed on waivers??
Are we sure they didnt take him back AND then St Lou tried to get him thru waivers to avoid an option??

ashburyjohn
05-04-2012, 03:19 PM
they could've possibly shipped him to the Red Sox for Bowden

Didn't realize it was possible, but I endorse this potential acquisition. 862

TwinsGuy55422
05-04-2012, 03:20 PM
When I saw that Komatsu was available, I thought "Why not?" At this point, he can't be any worse than Clete Thomas was.

True. He can't be any worse than Clete Thomas and given that he is 4 years younger than Thomas and has put up excellent numbers in the minors without ever having played at AAA, he just might end up being a good player at the major league level.

kirbyelway
05-04-2012, 03:25 PM
We are going to stash a Rule 5 guy, so at least Terry Ryan knows we are rebuilding and can start to do some things with the roster. Right now I think Span is only proven tradeable asset we have. He needs to be traded while his value is high and lets get some young starting pitching for him. I would love to see Francisco and Pavano pitch better, so they would have some value.

Steve Lein
05-04-2012, 03:51 PM
What's the deal here with him being a Rule V pick?! I don't understand how he's not back with Washington after this and how the Twins could even claim him then?

nicksaviking
05-04-2012, 04:00 PM
Plouffe is having trouble getting a read on those balls hit to him in the outfield... I think that's the issue... Outside of 2011, Plouffe has nothing in his minor league stats that suggests he is some great talent that just needs time... I think we've seen the top of the Plouffe mountian and the view ain't that great... Komatsu at least has a minor league history of strong play, suggesting he has potential...

I agree, I ripped the organiztion for striking out on the Plouffe pick for years. He doesn't look to be anything other than bench option. His defense isn't very good but the club knew that coming into the year. Still they were really trumpeting him this spring with Gardy implying that he was the favorite for the RF job. Plouffe's not my first choice, or even second for RF, I just think they have mis-managed the situation seeing as Gardy and Ryan seemed very high on him a month ago. No one seems to have a game plan at this point and there have been several knee-jerk reactions. These are the signs of a front office and coaching staff in desperation.

gmarais66
05-04-2012, 04:00 PM
What's the deal here with him being a Rule V pick?! I don't understand how he's not back with Washington after this and how the Twins could even claim him then?

If you don't want the Rule 5 player you drafted, you can waive or trade that player, but the Rule 5 status follows that player to the next team... If no one else takes the player, you can offer him back to the team he came from...

greengoblinrulz
05-04-2012, 04:11 PM
If you don't want the Rule 5 player you drafted, you can waive or trade that player, but the Rule 5 status follows that player to the next team... If no one else takes the player, you can offer him back to the team he came from...
i was unsure, but figured it out after thinking bout it a few minutes. Needs to be active for 90 days & can be stashed on DL for the remainder (if a team would try) but on the MLB version of the roster all yr.

spideyo
05-04-2012, 04:19 PM
What's the deal here with him being a Rule V pick?! I don't understand how he's not back with Washington after this and how the Twins could even claim him then?

He only gets offered back to Washington if he doesn't clear waivers.

John Bonnes
05-04-2012, 04:49 PM
I actually did a bit more research:
He hit .323/.413/.442 in A+ in 2010 and was the Brewers MiLB player of the year. And that was FSL, so it projects. Last season he had a .294/.393/.416 line in AA Huntsville before traded to the Nats at the deadline. Projects as a CF and leadoff hitter.

Revere and Mastro did not do anything that good at those levels (well, Mastro might this season but he is oldest). The fact that he is actually a prospect and CFer makes me think that a. the Twins do not think much about Revere and b. Span might be going sooner than later

And maybe...
c. The Twins realize they might as well be collecting guys for the future, cuz this season is toast. That's a little harsh, but these are the kinds of moves that a team looking to the future would make.

TwinVike61
05-04-2012, 10:08 PM
I got to watch Komatsu during his rookie campaign with the Brewers and think this is a great move. (I'm not a scout but I saw that) He was a good outfield defender and a hitter with good discipline and power (at least at this level). He doesn't have the speed of Hicks or Revere but much more power potential. We have to have something to get excited about this season.

Shane Wahl
05-05-2012, 12:19 AM
On base guy who generally walks more than he strikes out. That much is good. I don't like not being able to stash him at AAA for a few months, but whatever.

glunn
05-05-2012, 02:17 AM
I got to watch Komatsu during his rookie campaign with the Brewers and think this is a great move. (I'm not a scout but I saw that) He was a good outfield defender and a hitter with good discipline and power (at least at this level). He doesn't have the speed of Hicks or Revere but much more power potential. We have to have something to get excited about this season.

I share your hope for someone new who can make the team better.

ashburyjohn
05-05-2012, 12:27 PM
Problem is that most of these outfielders are on the lower end of the "Jason Spectrum", ranging from Tyner to Repko but never to Kubel - decent batting average, good defense, will steal a base, power anywhere from "nil" to "doubles and an occasional home run", at AA-AAA, projecting to hit .280 with an OPS of maybe .650 in the majors if they reach their potential. They're OK to stock up on, as insurance for injuries and to help make the AAA team more competitive for the fans in Rochester. But they are not the kind that "can make the [major league] team better". And they won't be significant trade bait: they're the very definition of Replacement Level - the other teams can get one for no investment at all.

The Rule V draft isn't what it was a decade ago and it's just about not worth bothering with the players available through that route. That the Twins are spending time bottom-feeding isn't very strategic looking, to me.

Shane Wahl
05-05-2012, 12:37 PM
Problem is that most of these outfielders are on the lower end of the "Jason Spectrum", ranging from Tyner to Repko but never to Kubel - decent batting average, good defense, will steal a base, power anywhere from "nil" to "doubles and an occasional home run", at AA-AAA, projecting to hit .280 with an OPS of maybe .650 in the majors if they reach their potential. They're OK to stock up on, as insurance for injuries and to help make the AAA team more competitive for the fans in Rochester. But they are not the kind that "can make the [major league] team better". And they won't be significant trade bait: they're the very definition of Replacement Level - the other teams can get one for no investment at all.

Yeah, it may be their last effort to find someone like this to fill that spot until they start promoting from the farm, but some of those guys have either been injured (Tosoni) or have sucked (Benson) this year.

baseballlouie
05-05-2012, 01:12 PM
I actually did a bit more research:
He hit .323/.413/.442 in A+ in 2010 and was the Brewers MiLB player of the year. And that was FSL, so it projects. Last season he had a .294/.393/.416 line in AA Huntsville before traded to the Nats at the deadline. Projects as a CF and leadoff hitter.

Revere and Mastro did not do anything that good at those levels (well, Mastro might this season but he is oldest). The fact that he is actually a prospect and CFer makes me think that a. the Twins do not think much about Revere and b. Span might be going sooner than later

Geeze - that just not true at all.

Mastroianni was an all star in the FSL and the Eastern league. In fact - with on e year as an exception I would take his numbers over Kamatsu in a heartbeat

Riverbrian
05-05-2012, 01:30 PM
I wouldn't read much into this... It's simple stockpiling. The Kid is a prospect... The Twins brass thinks he could develop into something and all they have to do is hold on to him during a year when it's looking like it doesn't matter who they hold on to.

It doesn't mean the Twins think less of Revere or Mastroianni or anyone. The Twins are increasing options when the chance to do so arises. It's too bad that he isn't an IF or Pitcher because we really don't have any options in those positions but you have to take them wherever they come.