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uno321
05-03-2012, 04:09 PM
Does Capps have any trade value right now? I highly doubt that in a trade they could get the equivalent of the draft pick they would have gotten simply for letting him walk in the off-season. It's bad enough that they gave up the draft pick to re-sign him, but they paid him 2-3 times as much as other similar RP's got in the offseason.

PogueBear
05-03-2012, 04:21 PM
Matt Capps trade value? Unfortunately for the Twins, you have to have players that other teams actually want, when making a trade. Given that the Twins have a plethora of Minor League outfielders coming up (Benson, Revere, Hicks), the better question is: What is Denard Span's trade value?

Bark's Lounge
05-03-2012, 04:26 PM
Maybe sometime in late July, a contending team might need some set-up help. If this happens we could probably get a Lester Oliveros type for him. Not much, but something.

silverslugger
05-03-2012, 04:35 PM
A spittoon, large bag of sunflower seeds, and throw in one of those buckets of bazooka bubblegum and you've got yourself a deal!

Seth Stohs
05-03-2012, 04:35 PM
Twins fans should be cheering for Matt Capps to pitch great the next two months. If he does, he will have some good trade value. If he pitches adequately, there is still some value for him.

Thrylos
05-03-2012, 04:39 PM
Twins fans should be cheering for Matt Capps to pitch great the next two months. If he does, he will have some good trade value. If he pitches adequately, there is still some value for him.

^^^^^^^This

Top Gun
05-03-2012, 05:46 PM
Why didn't they resign Joe Nate?

Bark's Lounge
05-03-2012, 07:48 PM
Why didn't they resign Joe Nate?

After Mr. Nathan collected 48M for essentially 2 seasons of work, he decided he wanted to play for a winning ballclub and packed up his things and left.

twinswon1991
05-03-2012, 07:56 PM
Does Capps have any trade value right now? I highly doubt that in a trade they could get the equivalent of the draft pick they would have gotten simply for letting him walk in the off-season. It's bad enough that they gave up the draft pick to re-sign him, but they paid him 2-3 times as much as other similar RP's got in the offseason.

Exhibit A why Terry Ryan should be fired! This was a move that no one in their right mind would make. HE OVERPAID FOR A CLOSER ON A 100 LOSS TEAM AND GAVE UP A FIRST ROUND PICK FOR THE RIGHT TO OVERPAY!

J-Dog Dungan
05-03-2012, 08:18 PM
It was sure as hell a better move than resigning Nathan, who was overpaid to do the job he is currently doing with Texas. While $4 for Capps is not a bargain, it is better that the Twins have a guy with some closing experience on their team then going with someone they don't have knowledge of replacing a guy in the "Most Important Role in the Bullpen" (this role isn't as important as people believe, as you could just stick an average to above-average reliever in there and he will put up large numbers of saves.)

DJSim22
05-03-2012, 08:26 PM
Honestly, could we get anything higher than single A prospects? I can't see teams giving up any prospects close to the show for Capps.

DJSim22
05-03-2012, 08:27 PM
Matt Capps trade value? Unfortunately for the Twins, you have to have players that other teams actually want, when making a trade. Given that the Twins have a plethora of Minor League outfielders coming up (Benson, Revere, Hicks), the better question is: What is Denard Span's trade value?

Completely agree, its a trade that needs to be made. Start with Boston and see what the going rate is. I sincerely hope TR has already done this.

benhertz
05-03-2012, 08:28 PM
Debbie Downer told me the Twins might be able to pick up a supplemental draft pick for Capps.

(Jokingly holding a grudge)

Bark's Lounge
05-03-2012, 08:55 PM
The Twins will not have the upper hand in any trades they pursue this summer. Every other team knows their predictiment and will not give top prospects for anything we put on the table. The best case scenario is last year's Delmon Young trade. For A Matt Capps, Franny Liriano, Carl Pavano, Jason Marquis we will get a Lester Oliveros or worse type prospect. Maybe Willingham and Span can fetch a little more. If the Twins give away Span - they will look like and be total bumbling idiots. Darwin Award caliber at that.

Fire Dan Gladden
05-03-2012, 09:03 PM
Moving Capps anytime this year would be as much to save dollars as anything

Bark's Lounge
05-03-2012, 09:29 PM
Moving Capps anytime this year would be as much to save dollars as anything

Hmmnn... I agree, I wouldn't put that past the Twins.

lecroy24fan
05-03-2012, 10:01 PM
Somebody will lose their closer and get desperate.

TwinsGuy55422
05-03-2012, 10:10 PM
Somebody will lose their closer and get desperate.

As much as I don't wish injury on anyone, this would be ideal for the Twins. A perfect scenario would be for Capps to get hot and a contender to unexpectedly lose a closer. Again, I don't wish injury on anyone but since these things are inevitable it could definitely be an opportunity to recoup some of the value lost through the ridiculous trade that brought him here.

twinsnorth49
05-03-2012, 10:24 PM
A spittoon, large bag of sunflower seeds, and throw in one of those buckets of bazooka bubblegum and you've got yourself a deal!

Too much, the guys on the bench who gave up the gum for Capps would be pretty upset. The seeds maybe, but not the seeds AND the gum.

Rosterman
05-03-2012, 10:50 PM
There is always a need for a closer...if they can close. Right now the Red Sox, Nationals, A's are just a few of the teams needing a closer. Capps can probably draw interest as a team could have him for the following year, too, at a modest salary.

Liriano is pretty worthless. Any team that trades for him would have to be prepared to arbitrate and pay $7-8 million for at least one more year, or release him and hope they can slightly overbid any other takers.

Pavano will draw a prospect, but again, no team will arbitrate him at this stage. Twins can trade him and bring him back for $4-5 million probably.

Marquis would be a pure salary dump for a very minor prospect.

Doumit can be a bargain The Twins got a one-year deal. If he produces, he can arbitrate for a modest $5 million, which isn't bad for a backup catcher who can hit and play other positions. For that reason, the Twins need to play him.

Remember, the Twins could spend $10-15 million alone on draft prospects this year. If they continue their worthless play, they could spend another $15-20 million on what may be a better draft class again in 2013.

jorgenswest
05-03-2012, 11:08 PM
The draft pick was not a guarantee. Someone would have needed to give him a major league deal. Was there also a deadline? A few of the closers signed very late in the process.

Best case. He puts up the appearance of success and the Twins get a C level prospect. It could happen.

Puckmen
05-03-2012, 11:39 PM
Somebody will lose their closer and get desperate.

Ask and ye shall receive. Sadly, Mariano Rivera tore his ACL today and is likely done for the year. The Yanks will probably bump Robertson to the 9th inning and Soriano to the 8th inning, but they will need someone to handle the 7th inning. Maybe Capps could be of interest to the Yankees to fill that role.

Riverbrian
05-03-2012, 11:47 PM
Capps will not be resigned. Might as well take what they can get...

He could fetch something. Every contending team feels like they need to shore up their bullpen... Bullpens never feel like they are shored up. A vet closer... Even an average vet closer will fetch something.

Some GM's get so desperate for bullpen help when facing the stretch run in contention that they will move good prospects at position they are stocked with. Some teams will give up a high level catching prospect (for example) for a closer of Capps ability.

Fanatic Jack
05-04-2012, 12:02 AM
Matt Capps might not get another save situation for another month or so. Pretty tough to build up value that way.

Gernzy
05-04-2012, 08:02 AM
Really don't see how anyone would want Capps. Not that he's doing horrible, I just don't see any trade value.

Yoshii
05-04-2012, 10:10 AM
Nationals don't need a closer...H-Rod is the ****!

Boom Boom
05-04-2012, 10:39 AM
I think the Twins should trade Capps, but not right now. Teams will give up more once they get more desperate. And I doubt the Yankees would want him outside of a middle-relief role, so they probably wouldn't offer much.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-04-2012, 11:08 AM
Yankees? *crosses fingers* Rivera's career and season is over now that he has a torn ACL.

nicksaviking
05-04-2012, 11:12 AM
Somebody will lose their closer and get desperate.

The Giants, Nationals, Blue Jays, Red Sox and now the Yankees have already lost their closer. Only the Twins view a pitcher with a sub 5K/9 as a closer. If the Twins released Capps at this moment meaning they would have to eat all but a portion of the league minimum salary, I bet there would be plenty of teams who have bullpen problems who wouldn't even make a play for him.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
05-04-2012, 11:43 AM
see also: the Cubs, who lost their closer Carlos Marmol to being bad at closing. I don't see a Theo Epstein style club going for "A proven Closer" like Capps, though.

071063
05-04-2012, 12:02 PM
Right now, Capps has value as an experienced closer. As stated above, there are several teams that have needs at the back end of their bullpens as either the closer or as one of the set-up men (7th or 8th inning options). I suspect the Twins will listen and I expect Terry Ryan to make a trade for a high end prospect in a low level league. We then need to develop that player, which is a separate topic onto itself.

righty8383
05-04-2012, 12:33 PM
It would be great if some sucker team would over-value him like the Twins did in 2010...

nicksaviking
05-04-2012, 01:21 PM
No sucker would bite at this deal. The Twins traded BA's number 58 prospect for a 26-year-old closer who was at that time pitching with a 2.74 ERA, 7.4 K/9, 26 saves an All-Star birth and a year left on his rookie deal.

The Twins are now shopping a guy currently pitching with a 5.00 ERA, 3.0 K/9, 4 saves who is now 28, getting paid $4.5M while Fangraphs lists his value as negative 700k. He will fetch nothing of significant value especially considering after last year, these numbers look like a trend, not a mirage. Brett Myers is also available and knowing Billy Beane, Grant Balfour can be had at any time. The Twins have no leverage in shopping him.

It was a terrible re-signing, and judging by the fact that about 100% of all fan comments following the signing last winter echoed this sentiment, yes Terry Ryan has appeared to have lost touch with the game.

ashburyjohn
05-04-2012, 04:10 PM
The draft pick was not a guarantee.

This. Supplemental "first round" picks are a misnomer. Coming at around player #31 and lower, they are what used to be called second rounders, and unlike in football the certainty of draft picks after even the first dozen guys is far from 100%, more like 50/50 to ever reach the majors even for a cup of coffee. I'd much rather see a trade for a specific prospect in someone's organization, who has already passed the first few years of winnowing out, than take a chance on a supplemental pick.

It doesn't look good for getting much for Capps right this minute, but sometime between now and the end of July you could have a couple of teams both in need and nervous about the other team acquiring help. That's when a decent prospect might come our way.

And unlike last year, there isn't likely to be indecision about whether the Twins are "buyers" or "sellers" at the deadline. The white flag can already be waved without fear of hurting clubhouse morale. This should give Ryan lots of latitude to time such a trade.