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Seth Stohs
05-03-2012, 06:47 AM
According to Joe Christensen, Twins manager Ron Gardenhire will not be with the team this weekend in Seattle. He will be attending his daughter's college graduation. Congratulations to his daughter, Tara, and the family. I certainly hope that he's able to put the Angels' series out of his mind and enjoy the time with his family. Scott Ullger will manage the team.

Top Gun
05-03-2012, 07:51 AM
I wonder how much input Gardy has while he is away. Will he just let Scotty do what ever he wants?

Yoshii
05-03-2012, 08:02 AM
Gardy mad.

glanzer
05-03-2012, 08:28 AM
What happens if the Twins players suddenly play very relaxed and win a couple games in Seattle? What if there is a noticeable difference in the way they play? At that point, I think it would be fair to start pointing fingers at Gardenhire. But that probably isn't going to happen.

zenser
05-03-2012, 08:33 AM
If I was managing the team I would want to miss the Seattle series too. It must be tough to watch this team underachieve.

Gernzy
05-03-2012, 08:41 AM
Gardy mad.

lol Hulk Smash? Made me think of that.

Anyways I hope Gardy enjoys his weekend off and comes back next week ready to bust some balls.

JB_Iowa
05-03-2012, 08:48 AM
I'm sure he can use a break but I wouldn't read anything into this. As I recall, he has missed games and series before for high school graduations, etc.

Congrats to his daughter.

Top Gun
05-03-2012, 08:53 AM
If the Twins go on a 3 game winning streak maybe Gardy won't have a job when he comes back.
Billy Martin got fired many times for alot less than that!

Thrylos
05-03-2012, 09:09 AM
Gardenhire's daughter is graduating from Southwest Minnesota State University at Marshall, MN. Commencement is at 10 AM Saturday and would probably last a couple of hours.

Delta has a red eye leaving at 12:40 AM on Saturday morning from Seattle arriving in Minneapolis at 5:45 AM (DL 1014), plenty of time to make it to Marshall by 10 AM. Also is has a 2:30 PM direct flight from Minneapolis to Seattle arriving there at 3:55 PM (DL 2237), in plenty of time to make the game on Saturday (5:10 PM local start).

As I showed above , there is a way to make it to the graduation and do his job. Nice for Gardy to have a 3 day vacation while his team is struggling. Especially when the team is doing so badly. I hope that the Twins make his vacation permanent. He shows where his priorities are...

StormJH1
05-03-2012, 09:13 AM
What happens if the Twins players suddenly play very relaxed and win a couple games in Seattle? What if there is a noticeable difference in the way they play? At that point, I think it would be fair to start pointing fingers at Gardenhire. But that probably isn't going to happen.
If Scotty Ulger is as good of a manager as he was a 3rd base coach, I don't think Gardy has to worry much about a coup. They should have WPA as a statistic for 3rd base coaches, he probably cost us several runs that season, while he wasn't busy impersonating runners on third that he erroneously sent home...

twinsnorth49
05-03-2012, 09:18 AM
. I hope that the Twins make his vacation permanent. He shows where his priorities are...

Exactly where they should be, with his family, just like anyone else with half a brain and an ounce of personal integrity.

StormJH1
05-03-2012, 09:19 AM
Gardenhire's daughter is graduating from Southwest Minnesota State University at Marshall, MN. Commencement is at 10 AM Saturday and would probably last a couple of hours.

Delta has a red eye leaving at 12:40 AM on Saturday morning from Seattle arriving in Minneapolis at 5:45 AM (DL 1014), plenty of time to make it to Marshall by 10 AM. Also is has a 2:30 PM direct flight from Minneapolis to Seattle arriving there at 3:55 PM (DL 2237), in plenty of time to make the game on Saturday (5:10 PM local start).

As I showed above , there is a way to make it to the graduation and do his job. Nice for Gardy to have a 3 day vacation while his team is struggling. Especially when the team is doing so badly. I hope that the Twins make his vacation permanent. He shows where his priorities are...
While I feel a bit "dirty" ripping Gardy for a personal situation like this (and we may not know all the details), I kind of agree with you. One games, or perhaps two (given that it is on the West Coast) is understandable for what is a big event Gardy should definitely not miss.

But a whole road series? Willingham took a pre-arranged paternity leave for the birth of his daughter, which is arguably even a bigger life event, and he'll miss roughly the same amount of time Gardy will. There are also rules specifically put into place by MLB and the players union to allow Willingham to do that. Plus, it's not like Gardy has to take pre-game warmups or even really do anything at the game. If he can arrive at the park on time, he could literally sit there comatose and make a few pitching changes after we get down 6-0 or so.

Fanatic Jack
05-03-2012, 09:33 AM
I just wish it were a permanent vacation..This guy has set the Twins organization back ten years easily. He has had more talent as manager than TK could of dreamed of. Everyone used to say "He does more with less" better than anybody. The only problem is nobody says that anymore. He has lost this team and they have quit on him...No way he survives this avalanche. Tick Tock Gardy!!! Paging Terry Francona please..He brought back respectability to Red Sox Nation and broke the curse.

CDog
05-03-2012, 09:48 AM
..This guy has set the Twins organization back ten years easily.

Yay! I can't wait to see how they manage to win the division this year! That's gonna be quite a comeback from this poor start.

Fanatic Jack
05-03-2012, 10:17 AM
Yup those 6 division titles mean so much to everybody. What is his playoff record again? What is his record vs Yankees again? What is his record vs AL East again? 12 straight playoff losses in a row and 1 more would set a MLB record. Not to mention players like Kyle Loshe, Phil Humber, David Ortiz, JJ Hardy, Casey Blake, and all the other players who have excelled since leaving the Twins..We need sweeping change.

DJSim22
05-03-2012, 01:04 PM
Gardenhire's daughter is graduating from Southwest Minnesota State University at Marshall, MN. Commencement is at 10 AM Saturday and would probably last a couple of hours.

Delta has a red eye leaving at 12:40 AM on Saturday morning from Seattle arriving in Minneapolis at 5:45 AM (DL 1014), plenty of time to make it to Marshall by 10 AM. Also is has a 2:30 PM direct flight from Minneapolis to Seattle arriving there at 3:55 PM (DL 2237), in plenty of time to make the game on Saturday (5:10 PM local start).

As I showed above , there is a way to make it to the graduation and do his job. Nice for Gardy to have a 3 day vacation while his team is struggling. Especially when the team is doing so badly. I hope that the Twins make his vacation permanent. He shows where his priorities are...

This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've read on this site. Priorities are with his family, we get for the 100th time you want him gone.

DJSim22
05-03-2012, 01:08 PM
Yup those 6 division titles mean so much to everybody. What is his playoff record again? What is his record vs Yankees again? What is his record vs AL East again? 12 straight playoff losses in a row and 1 more would set a MLB record. Not to mention players like Kyle Loshe, Phil Humber, David Ortiz, JJ Hardy, Casey Blake, and all the other players who have excelled since leaving the Twins..We need sweeping change.

I personally don't care if the Twins keep or fire him, That said, his teams were underdogs in every series for a reason.

Ortiz and Hardy were hurt most of the time they were here. No one wanted Ortiz when the Twins dumped him. What exactly have Lohse, Blake, and Humber done to say they've excelled? Humber was being skipped in the rotation before his day in the sun.

I see a whole lot of revisionist history here.

TwinsGuy55422
05-03-2012, 02:23 PM
Hopefully this break gives Gardenhire a chance to take a step back and reevaluate the team and the season to this point. I agree that his priorities are right where they should be. College graduations are a big deal and if he were to just swoop in for the ceremony and then take off right after, that would send a pretty bad message to his daughter. At this point, Gardy can probably accomplish more by spending time away from the team, recharging himself, and analyzing future plans than rushing back to manage a crappy baseball team. What difference would him being there right now make anyway? The decisions that managers make during the game don't really make much of a difference unless you actually have a team that can compete. I am pretty sure that Ullger can handle walking out to take the ball from the pitcher in the 3rd or 4th inning with the team already down at least five runs.

CDog
05-03-2012, 02:42 PM
This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've read on this site. Priorities are with his family, we get for the 100th time you want him gone.

Did you break the '0' key on your keyboard and couldn't add the proper amount of them?

Yoshii
05-03-2012, 02:59 PM
Gardenhire's daughter is graduating from Southwest Minnesota State University at Marshall, MN. Commencement is at 10 AM Saturday and would probably last a couple of hours.

Delta has a red eye leaving at 12:40 AM on Saturday morning from Seattle arriving in Minneapolis at 5:45 AM (DL 1014), plenty of time to make it to Marshall by 10 AM. Also is has a 2:30 PM direct flight from Minneapolis to Seattle arriving there at 3:55 PM (DL 2237), in plenty of time to make the game on Saturday (5:10 PM local start).

As I showed above , there is a way to make it to the graduation and do his job. Nice for Gardy to have a 3 day vacation while his team is struggling. Especially when the team is doing so badly. I hope that the Twins make his vacation permanent. He shows where his priorities are...

We should all show up to his daughter's graduation and be like, "WTF GARDY, DO YOUR ****ING JOB!"

Graduations mean nothing if the team you are managing is doing poorly imo.

I do agree with you in that the last thing Gardy needs is a break, he should be working harder!854

TwinsGuy55422
05-03-2012, 03:09 PM
We should all show up to his daughter's graduation and be like, "WTF GARDY, DO YOUR ****ING JOB!"

Graduations mean nothing if the team you are managing is doing poorly imo.

I do agree with you though in that the last thing Gardy needs is a break, he should be working harder!854

I sincerely hope that you do not have any children. I mean that with all due respect. On a side note, I am pretty sure that this will be a working vacation for Gardy. Do you honestly believe that he won't be in contact with the coaches, giving them input, and making plans for when he comes back?

mike wants wins
05-03-2012, 03:15 PM
Exactly where they should be, with his family, just like anyone else with half a brain and an ounce of personal integrity.

Agreed, I don't get how this is a problem for anyone.

Bark's Lounge
05-03-2012, 03:49 PM
Whether It be Gardy, Ullger, Ted Danson or the ghost of Milton Berle managing, it would not make a single difference. Hell, I could throw a handful of rocks onto the field at Safeco and they would perform better than the players we are putting out there right now. Although... it might be entertaining to watch Ullger the Weird's post game Q&A sessions on FSN this weekend.

one_eyed_jack
05-03-2012, 04:43 PM
Gardenhire's daughter is graduating from Southwest Minnesota State University at Marshall, MN. Commencement is at 10 AM Saturday and would probably last a couple of hours.

Delta has a red eye leaving at 12:40 AM on Saturday morning from Seattle arriving in Minneapolis at 5:45 AM (DL 1014), plenty of time to make it to Marshall by 10 AM. Also is has a 2:30 PM direct flight from Minneapolis to Seattle arriving there at 3:55 PM (DL 2237), in plenty of time to make the game on Saturday (5:10 PM local start).

As I showed above , there is a way to make it to the graduation and do his job. Nice for Gardy to have a 3 day vacation while his team is struggling. Especially when the team is doing so badly. I hope that the Twins make his vacation permanent. He shows where his priorities are...

---Wow, we're really taking the anti-Gardy thing to new highs (or lows as the case may be). Is this the new Gardy criticism? He cares too much about being a Dad?

Nice try at the timeline, but I would withhold applying for any job openings as a travel secretary if I were you.

Even if we were indulge your rather fantastic assumptions that

1) Gardy could manage a game in Seattle on Friday night and get to his daughter's graduation by 10 the next morning and
2) that the ceremony would not exceed 2 hours

(both of which made me laugh as someone who travels frequently and has attended numerous graduations), would you care to explain to us how you propose he leave Marshall at noon and get to MSP in time for a 2:30pm flight?

Does he just make the 150-mile drive at incredibly unsafe speeds? Travel by map? Apparate? Something involving a Delorean and a flux capacitor, perhaps?

By the way, it's not like this is unusual in any way. Joe Maddon missed games to attend his then-girlfriend's law school graduation (http://www.sunjournal.com/node/457471). Ozzie Gullien missed games for his son's graduation (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Halladay-beats-ChiSox-for-MLB-best-8th-win). Plenty of others have done the same.

You'll need to come up with something a lot better than this to sway people to the anti-Grady point of view. This just makes you look like you have Gardy Derangement Syndrome.

TiberTwins
05-03-2012, 04:55 PM
What happens if the Twins players suddenly play very relaxed and win a couple games in Seattle? What if there is a noticeable difference in the way they play? At that point, I think it would be fair to start pointing fingers at Gardenhire. But that probably isn't going to happen.
It will be interesting to see hoe the team responds to Ullger. I don't think he has much more than Gardy to motivate this team.

twinzgrl
05-03-2012, 05:04 PM
College graduations are a BIG deal. Gardy needs to be there for this huge milestone in his daughter's life. It doesn't matter if they are in first or last place, he needs to be a dad this weekend.

LastOnePicked
05-03-2012, 05:16 PM
No, thrylos has a very valid point. The man gets three months of vacation, and other days off throughout the year to celebrate with family. Three days off here is inexcusable, particularly when a skipper is needed to right a sinking ship. But we have more than enough evidence by now that Gardy is not the man for the job. It puzzles me why more people here don't see this.

TwinVike61
05-03-2012, 05:29 PM
Whether It be Gardy, Ullger, Ted Danson or the ghost of Milton Berle managing, it would not make a single difference.

I totally agree. Heck, I'd go further and say that having Ulger manage in Gardy's place is like...you know...doing something meaningless...and futile...like cleaning the galley or moving furniture on a big boat...that had some catastophe...like hitting a submerged rock...and it's going to sink anyways...

Thrylos
05-03-2012, 05:32 PM
No, thrylos has a very valid point. The man gets three months of vacation, and other days off throughout the year to celebrate with family. Three days off here is inexcusable, particularly when a skipper is needed to right a sinking ship. But we have more than enough evidence by now that Gardy is not the man for the job. It puzzles me why more people here don't see this.

Please read my comment here (http://twinsdaily.com/entry.php?935-Twins-Gardenhire-and-Maritime-Law)...

The reason I wrote this here and posted this blog (http://tenthinningstretch.blogspot.com/2012/05/twins-gardenhire-and-maritime-law.html), was to make people think. And react. And, yes graduation is a huge deal and I am glad that Gardy is going to his daughter's and that will probably save him some pepsids or five.

The point is that, a whole bunch of us agree that this team will not miss Gardenhire. But this confession could not come easy. Someone had to play the role of the Pujol (sic) and pin the role of Gardy as a leader of the Twins vs. that of him as a dad (and that was me being the Pujol.)

So, my point is, and even the most stern Gardy apologists (when his dadhood was artificially apparently questioned) agreed that he brings no value to the team and he better be with his family than the Twins, when the Twins reached rock bottom...

Just some food for thought folks...

LastOnePicked
05-03-2012, 05:47 PM
Just read the blog post, and I couldn't commend you more for demanding accountability from the team's "leadership." If we want to return to respectability in the AL, more fans are going to have to make these demands. Gardy cannot lead by example.

TwinsGuy55422
05-03-2012, 06:03 PM
Just read the blog post, and I couldn't commend you more for demanding accountability from the team's "leadership." If we want to return to respectability in the AL, more fans are going to have to make these demands. Gardy cannot lead by example.
Oh my gosh....I want to rip my hair out reading this stuff. Are you just trying to get a reaction like thrylos supposedly is or do really mean what you just typed? Accountability means facing the music for the results on the field. It does not mean you should have to make a 2-second cameo at your daughter's graduation so other people don't say you're "abandoning ship."

Sprtsgam3
05-03-2012, 07:12 PM
Listen I almost blame this season entirely on the players, but someone has to take the fall. Gardy did some wonderful things for the Twins, but he will be fired. Look at Francona, he won two world series and was let go. Ozzie Guillen was basically fired, and he won a world series. I know people will say how the Twins are such a loyal organization, but they fired Bill Smith. However if you replace Gardy with someone on the current staff that does nothing. It has to be someone who is a different. Obviously it would be great to get Francona and if you think about it Minnesota is a OK location for him. Great Ballpark, less media pressure,and superstar in Joe Mauer. No other team in baseball would keep there manager if he had back to back 90+ loses in a season. It is fair, maybe not but it is what should and will happen

one_eyed_jack
05-03-2012, 07:18 PM
I'm done refuting posts like this. There are reasonable arguments in support of changing managers, and I'm willing to engage in discussion of those.

But the anti-Gardy stuff being thrown out here is to baseball debate what "Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim" is to political debate. It is backed by blind hatred as opposed to facts or logic, and thus unworthy of being taken seriously.

DJSim22
05-03-2012, 08:18 PM
Did you break the '0' key on your keyboard and couldn't add the proper amount of them?

:D

I guess I sounded a bit harsh, but talk about beating a dead horse.

twinsnorth49
05-03-2012, 10:16 PM
Please read my comment here (http://twinsdaily.com/entry.php?935-Twins-Gardenhire-and-Maritime-Law)...

The reason I wrote this here and posted this blog (http://tenthinningstretch.blogspot.com/2012/05/twins-gardenhire-and-maritime-law.html), was to make people think. And react. And, yes graduation is a huge deal and I am glad that Gardy is going to his daughter's and that will probably save him some pepsids or five.

The point is that, a whole bunch of us agree that this team will not miss Gardenhire. But this confession could not come easy. Someone had to play the role of the Pujol (sic) and pin the role of Gardy as a leader of the Twins vs. that of him as a dad (and that was me being the Pujol.)

So, my point is, and even the most stern Gardy apologists (when his dadhood was artificially apparently questioned) agreed that he brings no value to the team and he better be with his family than the Twins, when the Twins reached rock bottom...

Just some food for thought folks...

What a load of self-serving, self aggrandizing B.S. Yeah you're a real Joan Garcia, someone gag me...please!

First of all, I am one of the alleged Gardy "apologists" and did not at any point claim he had no value to the Twins. You said in your original post "Where are his priorities"? Which assumes the question "with his daughter or with his team"? It also infers that his priorities should be with the Twins and if they aren't it proves he is not the right guy for the job.

From a person who is responsible for a considerable amount of employee hiring, he is exactly the kind of guy any self respecting organization desires to have working for them. It's reassuring that the people he works for have the same values.

TwinsGuy55422
05-03-2012, 10:28 PM
What a load of self-serving, self aggrandizing B.S. Yeah you're a real Joan Garcia, someone gag me...please!

First of all, I am one of the alleged Gardy "apologists" and did not at any point claim he had no value to the Twins. You said in your original post "Where are his priorities"? Which assumes the question "with his daughter or with his team"? It also infers that his priorities should be with the Twins and if they aren't it proves he is not the right guy for the job.

From a person who is responsible for a considerable amount of employee hiring, he is exactly the kind of guy any self respecting organization desires to have working for them. It's reassuring that the people he works for have the same values.

100% agreed. If I was an owner and my manager wanted to blow off his daughter's graduation in order to prove his dedication to the team, I would wonder what kind of person I had hired. I find it interesting to watch someone back pedal after making a bold assertion that essentially blows up in their face.

Riverbrian
05-04-2012, 12:02 AM
Gardy sacrifices his family time for about 6 months of every year. His daughter has earned a solid weekend of him saying he's proud.

As for the Seattle series... It's not like he ran out the door and threw the keys to the plumber or Ice Cream Vendor. He's got a coaching staff who have watched a game or two.

darin617
05-04-2012, 11:58 PM
Twins win! Twins win! Gardy stay away, I'm tired of seeing the Twins a last place team. Go Scotty Ulger!!!!

Cfollow
05-05-2012, 11:00 PM
Guys are missing an important point. With Obozo in office a college degree is damn near useless. If he is willing to wave a wand and forgive all student loans then that degree was free and worth what was paid for it nothing at all. Plus unless she plans on working for a union they aren't any jobs with the socialist in chief running the show. Twins = USA both are a complete **** show!!!!!!!