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Seth Stohs
04-29-2012, 09:29 PM
The Twins minor league travel staff has been busy.

As I mentioned on Twitter on Saturday, the Twins promoted to Deolis Guerra from New Britain to Rochester. THere was quite the trickle-down effect as well:

BJ Hermsen and Caleb Thielbar were promoted from Ft. Myers to New Britain.

Danny Ortiz, Nelvin Fuentes and Madison Boer have been promoted from Beloit to Ft. Myers.

Drew Leachman and David Hurlbut were promoted from Extended Spring Training to the Beloit Snappers.

(Those that have adopted any of these players should be making notes in their Adopt-a-Prospect forums.)

maxisagod
04-29-2012, 11:15 PM
Good for Danny Ortiz! He was too old for the Midwest league, hope this puts him back on the prospect map.

Nick Nelson
04-29-2012, 11:25 PM
I'll be very interested to see how Hermsen fares in New Britain. He's been very successful despite a lack of swing-and-miss stuff up to this point; the upper levels will be a good test. Also good to see Boer on the fast track, though his lack of whiffs in Beloit this year was a bit perturbing. Hopefully just a SSS fluke.

TwinsGuy55422
04-30-2012, 12:37 AM
Very glad to see Guerra moving up to AAA. Hopefully he can continue to be successful as a reliever.

60ft6in
04-30-2012, 12:57 AM
I also heard Matt Parker is no longer with the Twins Organization.

MWLFan
04-30-2012, 07:34 AM
Ortiz was flying under the radar for most people this year due to the Sano-Rosario focus on the Snappers. But he looks impressive for a low A ball hitter. Hopefully Fort Meyers will not trip him up. Kind of surprised that Boer was the first pitcher called up, a couple of relievers could have gotten the call. But Hermensen is a starter and guess they needed to replace that slot. This is not a slap at Boer, I just thought he could have used a bit longer in Beloit. I hope I never see him in a Snappers uni again, in a good way.

Seth Stohs
04-30-2012, 08:26 AM
Ortiz was my choice for Twins minor league hitter of the month last April when he posted an OPS over 1.100 for the Snappers. He really struggled the rest of the season with the team. Although he's little, he can definitely hit the ball with authority.

Mr. Ed
04-30-2012, 09:10 AM
Seth, are some of these promotions due to other injuries as well? The rosters don't always get updated very quickly when checking the active rosters.

Seth Stohs
04-30-2012, 09:26 AM
Sam Deduno was placed on the DL by Rochester, and they called up Guerra.

Hermsen could be in New Britain primarily to fill in for Wimmers, although no one knows how long he is out. Boer moves up to take Hermsen's spot.

I think that Thielbar takes Guerra's spot, with Fuentes taking Thielbar's spot and Hurlbut taking Thielbar's spot.

I guess I anticipate most of them sticking, but it is kind of early for these types of mass movements.

Thrylos
04-30-2012, 09:30 AM
Good for Danny Ortiz! He was too old for the Midwest league, hope this puts him back on the prospect map.

He just turned 22. The average age for the Snappers is 22, there are several 23 year olds playing and a few 24 year olds (Lin, O'Rourke, Carter). This is his second season in Beloit, maybe that's why you think he is older. Both Leachman and Hurlbut who are going to Beloit are older than him...

Pretty big jump pretty quickly for Hermsen, I wonder if that means that he might be in the Twins' rotation conversation in 2013...

Mr. Ed
04-30-2012, 09:38 AM
I so hope Hermsen continues what he's started this year.

Rotation hopes need bolstering, for sure.


Thanks for the other info Seth!

whydidnt
04-30-2012, 09:38 AM
Definitely good to see Guerra move up. Hopefully he continues to perform well in AAA and we'll see him in a Twins uniform before too long.

mike wants wins
04-30-2012, 09:52 AM
Great to see people moving up already....Guerra should be in the majors in a month or so.

Seth Stohs
04-30-2012, 09:55 AM
Great to see people moving up already....Guerra should be in the majors in a month or so.

Why in a month or so? I guess he's on the 40 man roster, but Manship and Slama have to be ahead of him at this point.

Mr. Ed
04-30-2012, 10:01 AM
Why in a month or so? I guess he's on the 40 man roster, but Manship and Slama have to be ahead of him at this point.

Slama must do something that turns the Twins management off. Had one brief opp,was not great and then poof, off the 40-man roster. He'll only get back on if they dump someone else.

I see Guerra getting a shot in the 2nd half of the season. Manship will have to be throwing harder than in ST to get a callup.

whydidnt
04-30-2012, 10:07 AM
Have to agree with Mr. Ed. Twins management has never shown an inclination to use Slama at the major league level and Manship has never impressed me. As bad as the Twins pitching has been this year, if they thought he could help, wouldn't he be here already? I see Manship and Swarzak as basically the same pitcher, and you should hopefully only need one long guy in the pen. If Guerra shows anything at AAA the Twins need to get him to the majors to see if he's going to be part of the solution next year and beyond. The other two guys are just possible filler at this point. I hope the Twins have gotten beyond the "he's been here longer, so he's he's next in line" stage.

glennhl
04-30-2012, 10:52 AM
Manship will have to be throwing harder than in ST to get a callup.

I've been watching the Red Wings games on MiLB TV. Most of the parks do not have radar guns up on the screen, so you have to rely on the announcers. However, they mentioned yesterday that his fastball was in the low 90's. So it sounds like his velocity is back.

Seth Stohs
04-30-2012, 10:52 AM
I hope the Twins have gotten beyond the "he's been here longer, so he's he's next in line" stage.

I dont' think that the Twins have really ever thought that. If they did, Slama and Delaney would have had real chances. It's just amazed me that Slama has never been given a real big league chance despite always getting a ton of strikeouts. He has walked too many, sure, but less than the likes of Gray, Vasquez and several other guys that they seem to like. So, I may never understand that situation.

Manship has been tremendous in Rochester as well this season. I think he and his curveball/slider can do ver well in a bullpen role.

Guerra's best pitch is his changeup, which is as good as anyone in the organization.

All three of these guys throw about the same in terms of velocity.

mike wants wins
04-30-2012, 11:03 AM
I'm just ready for any young guy to be up in the bullpen, but it doesn't matter all that much either way to me, frankly. The pen is not their issue right now....

Seth Stohs
04-30-2012, 11:07 AM
I'm just ready for any young guy to be up in the bullpen, but it doesn't matter all that much either way to me, frankly. The pen is not their issue right now....

That's just it. I think that the defense has been the least of the team's concerns. Gray is the easy answer, but he's pitched well (although I think the walks will eventually catch up to him). But you're right, MWW, I wouldn't be surprised if there is an open spot in a month.

nicksaviking
04-30-2012, 11:09 AM
There's no chance that the Boer as starter experiment is over is there? It seems he could use more seasoning developing other pitches, but had he remained a closer out of the draft, Ft. Myers likely would have been his destination to begin with.

Seth Stohs
04-30-2012, 11:27 AM
I think he'll remain a starter for the time being to work on pitches, strengthen arm, etc. they like to have college pitchers work out of the bullpen after they sign to keep innings down.

roger
04-30-2012, 12:22 PM
Slama must do something that turns the Twins management off. Had one brief opp,was not great and then poof, off the 40-man roster. He'll only get back on if they dump someone else.

I see Guerra getting a shot in the 2nd half of the season. Manship will have to be throwing harder than in ST to get a callup.

He walks to many batters and has never been able to fix that. In the major leagues, his control (or lack of control) will cause him to be constantly behind in the count. We all know what happens when you are constantly behind to big league hitters. It is a shame, cause he could be very good if he could get his walks under control!

roger
04-30-2012, 12:25 PM
Seth, Hermsen is moving up to fill Luke French's spot in the starting rotation. French also moved up to Rochester, likely to fill Deduno's spot in the Red Wings rotation.

Parker Hageman
04-30-2012, 03:31 PM
Also good to see Boer on the fast track, though his lack of whiffs in Beloit this year was a bit perturbing. Hopefully just a SSS fluke.

He also went from a one-inning reliever to a starter, which dragged down his strikeout rate no doubt.

Rosterman
04-30-2012, 08:02 PM
We do try to keep the Twins farm system up-to-date at www.twinscards.com

jtrinaldi
04-30-2012, 08:16 PM
For anyone wondering Niko Goodrum and Max Kepler will not be playing in Beloit this year as many people speculated they would. They will be headlining next year's Class A affiliate which is not likely to be Beloit.

greengoblinrulz
04-30-2012, 11:07 PM
For anyone wondering Niko Goodrum and Max Kepler will not be playing in Beloit this year as many people speculated they would. They will be headlining next year's Class A affiliate which is not likely to be Beloit.

Are the Twins dumping Beloit??

shs_59
04-30-2012, 11:41 PM
MOre like Beloit dumping them..... just kidding.... yeah likely a new affiliate for single a.

GreenGoblin nice to see you bud, its been since the scout.com days :)

Seth Stohs
05-01-2012, 08:40 AM
Tuesday - May 1 - Wilkin Ramirez promoted from Ft. Myers to New Britain. Cole Nelson promoted to Ft. Myers from Extended Spring Training.

jtrinaldi
05-01-2012, 02:45 PM
Are the Twins dumping Beloit??
Thats the word on the street

Thrylos
05-01-2012, 02:52 PM
Thats the word on the street

I've heard that the Twins are moving into Cedar Rapids (currenty the Angels' ML affiliate). If so, Twins' fans who live in MN and are interested in the minors will rejoice, not only because it is less than 4 hrs from the Cities by car, but because there are several direct flights from MSP to Cedar Rapids daily...

nicksaviking
05-01-2012, 03:08 PM
The Twins and Rochester have been on shakey ground for awhile now. I was hoping the AAA team would have eventually made their way into Iowa. The Twins affiliates in Beloit AND Cedar Rapids could help expand their regional influence into the Brewers/Cubs/Cardinals domain.

Thrylos
05-01-2012, 03:20 PM
The Twins and Rochester have been on shakey ground for awhile now. I was hoping the AAA team would have eventually made their way into Iowa. The Twins affiliates in Beloit AND Cedar Rapids could help expand their regional influence into the Brewers/Cubs/Cardinals domain.

Not only Rochester but New Britain is up for grabs the coming off-season. I am willing to bet that the Twins will have 3 new MiLB affiliates for 2013 (other than the Miracle - and BTW the Lee County Board today approved the improvements for the Twins' ST complex and Hammond Stadium - a total of $60M - which will likely keep the Twins there until 2050...)

To get a AAA team in IA/WI/MN, the Twins will either need to out the Cubs from Des Moines (tough) or have one of the other 15 PCL teams move (probably easier, but where? need to have a place to sustain a team). There is no way the PCL is expanding because it has 4 divisions of 4 teams each and is geographically too diverse. I do not see the IL moving that much West, but you never know...

Mr. Ed
05-01-2012, 03:50 PM
I've heard that the Twins are moving into Cedar Rapids (currenty the Angels' ML affiliate). If so, Twins' fans who live in MN and are interested in the minors will rejoice, not only because it is less than 4 hrs from the Cities by car, but because there are several direct flights from MSP to Cedar Rapids daily...

Some may make it in under 4 hrs. I was checking that for future reference, maps I checked say 4hrs/36 minutes minimum.
But would be nice to move there. I remember them being in the quad cities when they got flooded.

Mr. Ed
05-01-2012, 03:51 PM
I also cannot see them getting a AAA franchise in MN/IA/WI

too tough to draw crowds, unless they somehow unseat the Iowa Cubs. I would doubt that.

Probably wind up in Syracuse or Buffalo. Bleh.

jtrinaldi
05-01-2012, 03:57 PM
The Twins and Rochester have been on shakey ground for awhile now. I was hoping the AAA team would have eventually made their way into Iowa. The Twins affiliates in Beloit AND Cedar Rapids could help expand their regional influence into the Brewers/Cubs/Cardinals domain.
The thing about the Brewers,Cubs,Cardinals that is different than the Twins and their Low A affiliate is that they make it feel like you entering a part of their organization in each of their stadiums. Wisconsin's contract with the Brewers does not expire after this year so they are not a factor. It just seems that the Twins are the least involved team with their class A affiliate (Beloit) which may have to do with the new stadium deal not being done yet. These are the teams that expire after this year in All of A baseball. I honnestly wouldn't be surprised to see the Twins A affiliate next year be in the Sally league. If the Twins were so worried about location like you suggest, then why haven't they moved their AAA team to the International league or their AA team to the Southern league? The longest tenure that a Twins Class A affiliate has held before Beloit was QC for 6 years.Overall I think the Twins would like to move to the Sally league to try and get more attendance (they draw extremely high numbers) as well as having a closer base to where the head of their Minor League department is located (Fort Myers). Overall moving to the Sally is ultimately what I think the Twins do. Having any distance to Minnesota does not seem like it is a priority for the Twins, which is why I see the Twins looking to get closer to the head of their Minor League operations.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/affiliate.cgi?id=MIN

Here is a list of which team's contracts are up after this year.
Beloit Snappers - Minnesota (signed through 2012)
Bowling Green Hot Rods - Tampa Bay (signed through 2012)
Burlington Bees - Oakland (signed through 2012)
Cedar Rapids Kernels - Anaheim (signed through 2012)
Clinton Lumber Kings - Seattle (signed through 2012)
Dayton Dragons - Cincinnati (signed through 2012) Lock to extend
Fort Wayne TinCaps - San Diego (signed through 2012) Lock to extend
Kane County Cougars - Kansas City (signed through 2012)
Lansing Lugnuts - Toronto (signed through 2012)
Peoria Chiefs - Chicago (NL) (signed through 2012) Lock to extend
Quad Cities River Bandits - St. Louis (signed through 2012) Lock to extend
Asheville Tourists - Colorado (signed through 2012)
Augusta GreenJackets - San Francisco (signed through 2012)
Greensboro Grasshoppers - Miami (signed through 2012)
Hagerstown Suns - Washington (signed through 2012)
Hickory Crawdads - Texas (signed through 2012)
Lakewood Blue Claws - Philadelphia (signed through 2012)
Lexington Legends - Houston (signed through 2012)
Savannah Sand Gnats - New York (NL) (signed through 2012)

James
05-01-2012, 04:01 PM
I also cannot see them getting a AAA franchise in MN/IA/WI

too tough to draw crowds, unless they somehow unseat the Iowa Cubs. I would doubt that.

Probably wind up in Syracuse or Buffalo. Bleh.
Unless they can somehow convince a AAA Club to move some place like Madison. And there should be enough college students there to support a team during the summer months... maybe? Tough to say. Just a random thought. It might be a tough thing to do though. There is a team called the Madison Mallards that play in the Northwoods League, which apparently is a college league. I'd have to look into it more to find out all the facts, but that would nice to have another Twins minor league team that close.

Mr. Ed
05-01-2012, 04:10 PM
Unless they can somehow convince a AAA Club to move some place like Madison. And there should be enough college students there to support a team during the summer months... maybe? Tough to say. Just a random thought. It might be a tough thing to do though. There is a team called the Madison Mallards that play in the Northwoods League, which apparently is a college league. I'd have to look into it more to find out all the facts, but that would nice to have another Twins minor league team that close.

This is correct. Northwoods is a wood-bat league for guys in college, that extends into Central Minnesota.


http://www.northwoodsleague.com/

MWLFan
05-01-2012, 04:46 PM
jtrindaldi- I pray it doesn't happen that the Twins move out of the MWL as my baseball viewing will become non-existent. I could do Cedar Rapids or Clinton, but for my family it will be the death knell of live baseball I am afraid. But that is life.

jtrinaldi
05-01-2012, 05:43 PM
jtrindaldi- I pray it doesn't happen that the Twins move out of the MWL as my baseball viewing will become non-existent. I could do Cedar Rapids or Clinton, but for my family it will be the death knell of live baseball I am afraid. But that is life.
I see where you are coming from, but as dumb as it sounds I would actually welcome a different team to Beloit. It would be nice to see a team come to Beloit that would be able to finish up the new Stadium that has been sitting on the table for the last 4 years. I know a lot about that situation and it seems like the Parent club may be to blame about the deal not being finalized. I think it would be best for Beloit and the Twins to part ways, but that is just me.

Thrylos
05-01-2012, 07:21 PM
I think that maybe a new dedicated transaction place might make sense :)
Wilken Ramirez after a game at Fort Myers (was in the Rochester DL) moved to New Britain... I think that he and Mastroianni officially switched spots.

tcarlic
05-01-2012, 07:44 PM
I also cannot see them getting a AAA franchise in MN/IA/WI

too tough to draw crowds, unless they somehow unseat the Iowa Cubs. I would doubt that.

Probably wind up in Syracuse or Buffalo. Bleh.


Being from Syracuse, I take offense to that ;) Why wouldn't they just sign back with Rochester? If those three are the options, the Red Wings have a wayyyyy nicer stadium. Guess I'm going to have to start my Twins franchise hat collection over :/ eh... I guess more hats right?

greengoblinrulz
05-01-2012, 10:47 PM
Just stay out of the PCL is all I care. You cant judge a player/pitcher out there with some of the parks/air/etc. Look at some of the numbers from the Edmonton teams.