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Seth Stohs
04-25-2012, 04:21 PM
Twins Lineup:

Denard Span CF
Jamey Carroll SS
Joe Mauer C
Justin Morneau DH
Chris Parmelee 1B
Trevor Plouffe RF
Sean Burroughs 3B
Ben Revere LF
Alexi Casilla 2B

SP: Liam Hendriks

Mr. Ed
04-25-2012, 05:14 PM
gnat-ball. Bucholz should have fun.

Republican22
04-25-2012, 05:14 PM
Let's go twins!!!!!!

TwinsGuy55422
04-25-2012, 05:42 PM
For once, let's put a quick zero on the board in the top of the 1st and then get a couple runs of our own in the home half. Not only are we not winning games, but it feels like we never even have the lead.

Thrylos
04-25-2012, 05:48 PM
A little anecdote about Boston's lineup tonight: Valentine had to change it, because originally he thought that Liam Hendriks was a LHP and filled it up with righties.

TwinsGuy55422
04-25-2012, 06:06 PM
I wish I could share that information with the drunk Boston fan sitting in front of me at the game last night. He was yelling about how bad he hated Valentine for about ten minutes straight simply because Valentine called for a sacrifice bunt in I believe it was the second inning. This information would have probably ilicited a good 45-minute rant.

ashburyjohn
04-25-2012, 06:24 PM
Plouffe and his .100 BA in preference to Clete's .182, against a righty. Not Doumit either. C'mon Trevor, show us something.

Shane Wahl
04-25-2012, 06:56 PM
A little anecdote about Boston's lineup tonight: Valentine had to change it, because originally he thought that Liam Hendriks was a LHP and filled it up with righties.

But I thought Bobby knew EVERYTHING???

ashburyjohn
04-25-2012, 07:22 PM
Pedroia doubles to shallow left? That's where Revere is - I thought his speed would eliminate that. Someone who saw the game, tell me what happened?

(That was Yahoo sports. I checked again on ESPN.com and it said deep left. That makes more sense, although I'll still gripe that I thought Revere was supposed to make outfield hits impossible.)

mikeee
04-25-2012, 07:25 PM
Lotta pitches for Liam with that last at bat... finally got him... dang.

TwinsGuy55422
04-25-2012, 07:37 PM
You never want to see your starter throw 30+ pitches in the first inning, but to Liam's credit his control appears well and he didn't get flustered with all the foul balls.

TwinsGuy55422
04-25-2012, 07:38 PM
Nice vintage Mauer line drive single.

TwinsGuy55422
04-25-2012, 07:39 PM
Ugh....I can't believe they left the bases loaded again!!!!

TwinsFanLV
04-25-2012, 07:39 PM
Is even one Boston hitter going to be made to duck or move his feet, tonight? Guess not. No fight in this team. Starts at the top.

mikeee
04-25-2012, 07:49 PM
50 pitches is too many for the second inning.....

Dougmancaveitch
04-25-2012, 07:52 PM
Well getting swept at home is always fun.

TwinsFanLV
04-25-2012, 07:53 PM
Have the Twins made Aviles move his feet even once in this series, or did they send him a hand written invitation to swing from his heels?

twinsnorth49
04-25-2012, 07:58 PM
guys, c'mon make a pitch, get a hit, show some pride......something!

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 07:59 PM
Pedroia doubles to shallow left? That's where Revere is - I thought his speed would eliminate that. Someone who saw the game, tell me what happened?

(That was Yahoo sports. I checked again on ESPN.com and it said deep left. That makes more sense, although I'll still gripe that I thought Revere was supposed to make outfield hits impossible.)

I didn't see that play but I just watched him double and score on a Casilla single.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:00 PM
Casilla needs to steal here.

twinsnorth49
04-25-2012, 08:01 PM
I didn't see that play but I just watched him double and score on a Casilla single.

OK, good I'm not hallucinating.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:02 PM
There it is... Scoring position

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:03 PM
OK, good I'm not hallucinating.

lol... That Canadian hash is rough stuff

twinsnorth49
04-25-2012, 08:06 PM
lol... That Canadian hash is rough stuff


Unfortunately not rough enough to dull this pain so far.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:09 PM
Twins are coming back. I can feel it. Bucholz is grooving em.

twinsnorth49
04-25-2012, 08:15 PM
When it rains it pours..........crap!!!!

twinsnorth49
04-25-2012, 08:17 PM
You know it's bad when your team's highlight so far is cutting off a throw to home.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:18 PM
It's fine... We are coming back

VATwinsFan
04-25-2012, 08:21 PM
The Twins are now 10 for their last 62 w/RISP.

In 19 games they've kept the opposition to 3 runs or less a grand total of two times, and one of those games they lost.

In comparison the other teams pitchers have kept the Twins to 3 runs or less 11 times out of 19.

twinsnorth49
04-25-2012, 08:23 PM
The Twins are now 10 for their last 62 w/RISP.

In 19 games they've kept the opposition to 3 runs or less a grand total of two times, and one of those games they lost.

In comparison the other teams pitchers have kept the Twins to 3 runs or less 11 times out of 19.

I think we're beyond needing stats to help us understand how badly this team is playing.........but thanks for reaffirming the sickening sight.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:24 PM
Yeah it's been hard to watch. Hopefully it evens out sooner rather than later. Just keep thinking the bad times will balance to some good times.

twinsnorth49
04-25-2012, 08:27 PM
Does anyone else drink a lot more when the Twins play like this? ....................how about constantly posting every thought that runs through your head?

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:36 PM
Does anyone else drink a lot more when the Twins play like this? ....................how about constantly posting every thought that runs through your head?

No way I could type that fast.... It would be something like this...

Plouffe... That curve was hung... Must not have been looking for the deuce... The cat just walked past... Hey kitty... Fine walk right past me like you own the house. Nice to have Ben back in the majors... I hope he ropes another one just to show everybody on twins daily how hes a spark plug. Get off the coach Cat... Your gonna get fur all over. Plouffe struck out. Need a key hit... RISP... Just saw a stat posted on that. Plouffe and Beloit are both sounds produced when you drop a quarter in the toilet. Plouffe and Beloit... That's funny.

What honey... No the cat is not on the coach.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 08:53 PM
Ok... The twins may not come back

mikeee
04-25-2012, 08:55 PM
Does anyone else drink a lot more when the Twins play like this? ....................how about constantly posting every thought that runs through your head?

I have a drink.

JB_Iowa
04-25-2012, 08:59 PM
Dear Dick Bremer,

All the Twins have been having are "Off Days"

one_eyed_jack
04-25-2012, 09:04 PM
This is so frustrating on so many levels, but the 2 things that really get me are:

1) It may sound cliche, especially with the frequency Blyleven says it, but it starts and ends with starting pitching. Not only is our rotation awful, but there's not much reason to hope that they'll be able to turn it around.

2) This is a weak and therefore winnable division. Detroit and Cleveland are losing big. Once those games go final, nobody in the division will be more than 2 games over .500. (No, not even the mighty Tigers.) You don't need to be much more than an average team to at least hang around within striking distance, and the Twins can't even do that. This is the where we to thrive. While the rest of the AL Central floundered, the Twins would step forward and take the division. But there's no sign of the potential for that this year.

Ultima Ratio
04-25-2012, 09:09 PM
Hi everybody! Quality start update: 3/19

With Swarzak pitching now, who's making the start in place of Liriano?

Thrylos
04-25-2012, 09:14 PM
Hi everybody! Quality start update: 3/19

With Swarzak pitching now, who's making the start in place of Liriano?

Nobody. They have an off day and he is skipped

mikeee
04-25-2012, 09:27 PM
Bases loaded.
1 out.
heart of the order....

mikeee
04-25-2012, 09:33 PM
A Morneau homer would tie it.....

mikeee
04-25-2012, 09:34 PM
I will take a double... lol

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 09:39 PM
Didn't like seeing Parmelee go down like that. Saw him mouth he's fine to the trainer.

one_eyed_jack
04-25-2012, 09:42 PM
Me of little faith with my rant. We've got ourselves a ballgame here, boys and girls!

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 09:44 PM
LOL... Burroughs produced all 3 outs. I can hear Gardy... Good inning boys... Everyone... Good inning... Except you Burroughs.

uno321
04-25-2012, 09:46 PM
Could they have sent Morneau home on Plouffe's hit? On tv it sure looked like he could have made it!

adjacent
04-25-2012, 09:47 PM
LOL... Burroughs produced all 3 outs. I can hear Gardy... Good inning boys... Everyone... Good inning... Except you Burroughs.
"Danny, you are safe"

Mchans24
04-25-2012, 09:56 PM
Bring up Dozier and play him at 3B

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 09:59 PM
Could they have sent Morneau home on Plouffe's hit? On tv it sure looked like he could have made it!

With 1 out and Morneaus speed... its best to be safe... A Burroughs fly ball ties the game.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 10:00 PM
"Danny, you are safe"

lol... I still say bench him... Just for effect... Burroughs is sure had a bad inning. That makes it hard to send Velencia the message.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 10:02 PM
Bring up Dozier and play him at 3B

Did I read on this site. I think Seth posted that Dozier can now be called up and it doesn't effect his Arb clock.

Ultima Ratio
04-25-2012, 10:03 PM
Could they have sent Morneau home on Plouffe's hit? On tv it sure looked like he could have made it!
Recovering from concussion symptoms, they are not going to send Morneau into a possible collision or vigorous slide at the plate.

nicksaviking
04-25-2012, 10:09 PM
What more needs to be seen to replace Capps with Perkins as closer? I think it's safe to assume Capps would not have mowed down Gonzalez, Ortiz and Youkalis in a late game situation.

Ultima Ratio
04-25-2012, 10:11 PM
What more needs to be seen to replace Capps with Perkins as closer? I think it's safe to assume Capps would not have mowed down Gonzalez, Ortiz and Youkalis in a late game situation.
Agreed in toto.

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 10:13 PM
I agree... Then move Liriano into set up... LOOGY...

Riverbrian
04-25-2012, 10:16 PM
Keep this in mind... You gotta pull for Capps tho. If he has a decent year. He'll be good Trade Bait. Someone will be dying for a closer at the deadline.

Ultima Ratio
04-25-2012, 10:21 PM
Keep this in mind... You gotta pull for Capps tho. If he has a decent year. He'll be good Trade Bait. Someone will be dying for a closer at the deadline.

I'm pulling for everybody! However unlikely, all we fans want is wins.

mikeee
04-25-2012, 10:43 PM
wiff we have been swept.

Ultima Ratio
04-25-2012, 10:44 PM
At least the Royals are next. We can take one game hopefully, but not getting my hopes up.

one_eyed_jack
04-25-2012, 10:47 PM
Unreal. To reduce a 6-run deficit to a 1-run deficit, then twice load the bases and not be able to score. Unreal.

And that call on Revere's foul ball was just brutal. Did Barksdale go to the Phil Cuzzi School of Umpiring?

Thrylos
04-25-2012, 10:56 PM
Yeah... That was an awful call.

My takes from today:

Another close game, but another loss and another sweep.
Based on how they pitched tonight, I do not mind seeing Swarzak in the rotation and Hendriks to AAA (only other with options is Burnett) when they go to 12 Ps.
Burroughs does not belong in the majors. I start having Butera-like feelings towards him.
Umpiring consitency really lacks (esp. regarding arguing balls and strikes the last 2 days) and something should be done

and the big ones:

- I hope Parmelee is ok, good to see him looking good in the dugout
- wishing the best for Willingham and his family with their new baby

nicksaviking
04-25-2012, 10:57 PM
The call was bad but you probably don't deserve to win if your team strands 13 runners.

one_eyed_jack
04-25-2012, 11:12 PM
The call did not cost the Twins the game. Missed calls go against every team. But that one stands out because

1) The Twins were trying to rally in the bottom of the 9th
2) They desperately need a win
3) The same ump blew a call on the same guy earlier in the game
4) It was so blatantly wrong. Like Phil Cuzzi on Joe Mauer's double wrong.

striker_86
04-26-2012, 12:20 AM
another tough loss, can we please take a game against Kansas city this weekend?

Top Gun
04-26-2012, 12:42 AM
Can the Twins avoid the cellar? They better win some home games.

beckmt
04-26-2012, 12:43 AM
Two observations on this game.
1. Starting pitching has to change, I don't feel the starting pitching will get much better.
2. Clutch hitting is horrible.

Do not have an answer to 1, but time is coming to take some chances on the wavier wire or with some minor leagures. What choice do we have if Linarno has another bad start next week.

Seems like the oposition pitcher are able to pitch differently in key situations, while the twins are not. Are their scouting books that much better than ours or twins player just that bad.

ashburyjohn
04-26-2012, 10:14 AM
2. Clutch hitting is horrible.

The hitting, period, has not been as good as we were starting to hope. Team scoring is 11th in the league, team slugging percentage is 11th. They're getting on base at an OK clip, 6th, but without good slugging you end up with lots of bases-loaded situations that may or may not yield runs. (Why yes, I am second guessing based on a few recent outcomes, thank you for noticing.)

These team numbers are based on small totals, early in the season, so not much currently separates 7th and 13th in run scoring for instance. Still, it doesn't look to me like you have to resort to blaming clutchness. We just have an imbalance toward table setters (singles hitters and walk takers) and not enough extra-base hitters.

Jamey Carroll isn't going to change his stripes, ditto for various others. Mauer's the one guy who's hitting at a high level and with the broad skillset to adjust his game to the current need of his team.

mike wants wins
04-26-2012, 10:30 AM
Worse run differntial than last year, even with Mauer, Morneau, Span, Willingham....this team is awful. And, there is no help on the horizon for the pitching. I'm already worried about next year being just as bad as last and this....