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Week in Review: Little to Like

No Byron Buxton. No Fernando Romero. Robbie Grossman and Logan Forsythe batting cleanup. Chris Gimenez starting at first base. Negative vibes surrounding a front office that may have taken a costly misstep with arguably its most critical asset.

The Twins aren't really giving fans a lot of reason to be excited or invested as this season winds down, so if you've mostly tuned out, I can't blame you. But there are still important developments taking place, and you'll find them all covered below the fold.
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Weekly Snapshot: Mon, 9/3 through Sun, 9/9

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Record Last Week: 2-4 (Overall: 65-77)

Run Differential Last Week: -11 (Overall: -70)

Standing: 2nd Place in AL Central (15.5 GB)


HIGHLIGHTS

Although it started on a rough note with a costly error, his fourth in a five-game span, Jorge Polanco did end up having a pretty nice week. He collected hits in five of six games while striking out only twice. The shortstop continues to be one of Minnesota's most consistent offensive performers, earning his regular nods in the second, third and fourth spots in the order.

While it's a bit disenchanting to see him batting cleanup, as he did Sunday, Grossman is quietly enjoying a solid late-season run. His eye at the plate has been immaculate of late; last week he drew six walks with no strikeouts, registering a .478 on-base percentage over six games.

Since returning from a hamstring injury in mid-August, Grossman is slashing .306/.433/.388 in 17 contests. His production hasn't been all that meaningful for the irrelevant Twins, but the 28-year-old is importantly building his own personal stock for a likely date with the open market this offseason.

On Tuesday, Kohl Stewart enjoyed his finest outing as a big-leaguer. Having failed to get through five innings in any of his four August starts, the rookie crossed that threshold by delivering five scoreless frames after following up Trevor May's clunky effort as the "opener" in the first. It still wasn't the most impressive showing for Stewart, who induced only four swinging strikes on 73 pitches and relied on some luck, but he got it done.

Making his Twins debut on Sunday, Chase De Jong (acquired via the Zach Duke trade) turned in a fine effort, holding the Royals scoreless on one hit over four frames, with five strikeouts. The 23-year-old showed some decent stuff, though he also struggled with control in issuing four walks.

De Jong joins Stewart and others as fringey 40-man roster holds during the offseason, so these late impressions do matter.

Speaking of making impressions, how about Willians Astudillo?! The lovable 26-year-old is not getting many chances, but he's certainly making the most of them. He entered Wednesday's game and homered before being pulled for Mauer in the seventh. On Sunday he started again, and went 2-for-4 with a walk-off two-run blast in the ninth.

It seems evident, based on their sparing usage of him, that the Twins don't see Astudillo as part of their future plans. I guess he is sort of an odd fit despite his unique talents. But I'll miss watching that dude play.

LOWLIGHTS

It's just not clicking for Stephen Gonsalves. Making his fourth MLB start on Friday against the Royals, the lefty was pulled after just 2 1/3 innings, having coughed up five runs on five hits and three walks, with just one strikeout.

This marked the third time in four starts Gonsalves has failed to complete even four frames. His overall MLB numbers are nothing short of brutal: 11.68 ERA, 6-to-13 K/BB ratio, 6% swinging strike rate, and opponents slashing .414/.528/.621.

The Twins might as well keep running him out every fifth day in the final weeks, but the 24-year-old's performance is serving to validate widespread doubt that suppressed his national prospect rankings despite amazing minor-league stats.

The stuff is hittable and the command flashes too inconsistently. Gonsalves' long limbs and quirky delivery aren't doing nearly enough to cover up these vital flaws.

Tyler Austin has cooled off considerably following his torrid start as a Twin. After going 1-for-10 with five strikeouts against the Astros, he missed the Royals series with a stiff back. Austin is hitting just .107/.219/.214 since his two-homer outburst against Oakland, and maybe the ailing back has something to do with it. Or maybe it's just his sky-high K-rate catching up to him.

The guy ahead of Austin in line at first hasn't been much better of late. Joe Mauer is dragging toward the finish line in what might be his final season. Last week he went 2-for-18 with a walk and two singles, and he now finds his OPS sliding toward the 600s.

The Twins need to be making other plans at first base for next year, awkward as it may feel.

We've already seen the last of another veteran staple on his way out. Ervin Santana won't pitch again this season after receiving PRP treatment in a finger that continues to give him trouble. The Twins will surely decline his $14 million option for 2019, and Santana may in fact struggle to land a major-league deal this offseason.

Staying in the Dept. of Lingering Injury Concerns: If there was any question that Miguel Sano's surgically repaired leg was going to be an ongoing problem, we may have gotten our answer Wednesday. On a poorly executed – yet seemingly innocuous – slide into second base, Sano wound up writhing in pain on the ground, grabbing that left leg, before being carted off the field.

Thankfully, he was diagnosed with only a contusion and not something more serious. But the incident served as a sobering reminder of the lasting ramifications a serious injury and surgery can carry. Given that Sano was scuffling badly at the plate before getting hurt (.087 average in his past 14 games), the Twins might be best off shutting him down regardless.

TRENDING STORYLINE

At this point, Minnesota's primary concern is protecting its key assets, and sending players into the offseason healthy. That's why they shut down Romero and it's (ostensibly) part of why they shut down Buxton.

With this in mind, how much do they push it with Gonsalves, who's working some high-stress innings here in September after logging 120 in the minors? Or Jose Berrios, who's approaching a career-high workload? Or any number of relievers who've gone through long seasons of heavy usage, and could plainly benefit more from resting their arms than throwing meaningless innings?

DOWN ON THE FARM

While the Twins won't be in the playoffs, followers of the organization's minor-league system are being treated to plenty of thrilling postseason action. The Fort Myers Miracle (High-A), Cedar Rapids Kernels (Low-A) and Elizabethton Twins (Advanced Rookie) have all been making their runs, powered by premium prospects.

Alex Kirilloff has been absolutely sensational. He tallied two hits, including a homer, in the Miracle's Game 1 win on Tuesday, then added five knocks in a Game 2 victory, which propelled Fort Myers to the Florida State League Championship. In that best-of-five series, Fort Myers jumped to a 2-1 lead over the weekend, with Royce Lewis launching three home runs.

In the Midwest League, Cedar Rapids made quick work of Beloit in the first round, with Ryan Jeffers' two home runs helping lift them in Game 1, before falling to Peoria in the finals over the weekend. Blayne Enlow gave up five runs over three innings in Sunday's elimination game.

Meanwhile, Elizabethton swept its best-of-three series against Princeton to repeat as Appalachian League champs. Plenty of good young talent on that roster to monitor going forward, especially uber-talented infielder Yunior Severino.

LOOKING AHEAD

The Yankees come to town for what figures to be a lopsided affair, and then Minnesota heads to KC for four more games against the Royals. Only three weeks left to go.

MONDAY, 9/10: YANKEES @ TWINS – LHP J.A. Happ v. RHP Kyle Gibson
TUESDAY, 9/11: YANKEES @ TWINS – RHP Luis Severino v. RHP Kohl Stewart
WEDNESDAY, 9/12: YANKEES @ TWINS – RHP Masahiro Tanaka v. RHP Jake Odorizzi
THURSDAY, 9/13: TWINS @ ROYALS – LHP Stephen Gonsalves v. RHP Jorge Lopez
FRIDAY, 9/14: TWINS @ ROYALS – RHP Jose Berrios v. RHP Ian Kennedy
SATURDAY, 9/15: TWINS @ ROYALS – RHP Zack Littell v. RHP Jakob Junis
SUNDAY, 9/16: TWINS @ ROYALS – RHP Kyle Gibson v. RHP Brad Keller

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They have no good backup plan all over the field, no idea why Astudillo is not pay of the plan. But then, I don't get why they like Grossman, who doesn't hit enough for his fielding, or Belisle, or Gimenez at first. Really a lot of odd decisions right now. Why anyone is paying attention, I have no idea.
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The negatives are obvious and plentiful (and inexplicable). 

 

I would like to point out two good things the FO has done IMHO

 

1. The Draft:They are 2 for 2 no doubt

2. They are rolling out Stewart multiple times to make very sure they know what to do with him this off season. 

3. They are giving Gonslaves and extended look which will prove to him how much he needs to work on his control (ie not enough players in the bigs are going to chase his nibbling)

 

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...I pulled the reverse Rick Perry :)

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ashburyjohn
Sep 09 2018 08:15 PM

...I pulled the reverse Rick Perry :)

... which nobody expected!

 

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("Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, and surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope")

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I think it is important to bring back Santana.He is a good pitcher (better than anything they would go out and get in free agency).Doesn't seem like there is much ready in the minors.Santana is a great mentor for the young Latino pitching staff. 

 

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Winston Smith
Sep 09 2018 10:12 PM

 

They have no good backup plan all over the field, no idea why Astudillo is not pay of the plan. But then, I don't get why they like Grossman, who doesn't hit enough for his fielding, or Belisle, or Gimenez at first. Really a lot of odd decisions right now. Why anyone is paying attention, I have no idea.

Maybe the hope is nobody is paying attention?

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Some of it is trying the young players before either keeping them on the 40 man roster or letting them go to fill the 40 man with players that have to be kept.Problem with this approach is I see little hope for 2019 without a big turnaround by some players who where expected to be the core of the Twins going forward.  

Not a good position to be in. 

Biggest issues seem to be whether either Sano or Buxton will be more than their absolute floor here before hitting FA, or in my mind whether the minor league coaching staff is totally inept at fixing holes in players games.

Nice summary. I know it must get harder and harder as the season winds down. The storylines are limited and we can complain about belisle only so much because the explanation for him being here it's just out of the Twilight Zone. Why field played in Buxton didn't will stay with us for a long time. It appears that our brief and colossal failure at openers is gone for now goodbye I won't miss you.Astudillo has been our one really fun end-of-the-season treat and if the twins front office has the brains that so many of you claim they do they would recognize that he is an asset to keep fans interested and perhaps buying tickets.

 

Why anyone is paying attention, I have no idea.

Because we're Twins fans... and we enjoy suffering :).

 

Also because my son is in the offseason for his high school baseball team and we have nothing else to watch.

Can anyone tell me who will replace Santana both in pitching and mentoring?He is still good.I am hoping Berrios, Romero and Gibson can be very good and not just average.Who else?

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Nick Nelson
Sep 10 2018 07:47 AM

 

Can anyone tell me who will replace Santana both in pitching and mentoring?He is still good.I am hoping Berrios, Romero and Gibson can be very good and not just average.Who else?

He was good last year, before this injury. I'm not sure what reason we have to be confident that'll still be true next year. He'll be 36 and coming off a very problematic injury that cost him an entire season. 

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lukeduke1980
Sep 10 2018 07:49 AM

This has never been my take...but the season is too long and they should start the playoffs in the middle of September.All of this irrelevant September baseball is a drag on the sport 

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Regardless of the outcome, I love what they did with De Jong and Littell on Sunday.

I couldn't hate any more thethe decision to start Gimenez at first. Put Feld in the OF and Kepler at first.

 

 

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Nick Nelson
Sep 10 2018 08:17 AM

 

This has never been my take...but the season is too long and they should start the playoffs in the middle of September.All of this irrelevant September baseball is a drag on the sport 

I think that speaks more to the current competitive balance of the league than to the length of the schedule. September is great when multiple teams are tightly battling for postseason positioning. This year's race has featured almost no drama, as playoff teams have mostly been established from start to finish. Zzzzzzzz....

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In the little that we have got to see him, Gonsalves reminds me of Tommy Milone without the control.That's not a good combination.

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Well, besides Berrios, Gibson and Romero...the Twins have Pineda and Mejia to put into the rotation. Theya re getting good looks at Gonsalves, Littell and Stewart and De Jong. So, they have some choices come spring.

 

At this point, there are probably only 3-4 folks THE TWINS HAVE to add to the 40-man. Look at the rosters of Rochester and Chattanooga. Who would someone gamble a Rule 5 pick to hold on their roster for a year. The Twins have to do some minor league roster shuffling to keep guys from being taken in the minor league part of that draft.

 

So, the Twins need 3-4 roster spots. They also need three roster spots for 60-day guys Pineda, Castro and Mejia.

 

They have free agents: Mauer, Morrison, Santana, Belisle, Forsythe. Only Mauer could be a come backer.

 

I put the following on the bubble for being in team plans for 2019. SOme names will stay because there are roster spots. But my list is: Drake, Duffey, Magill, Slegers, Astudillo, Petit, Field, Gimenez, Granite. Defendng on arbitration, they might not keep Grossman or Adrianza. Both should still be cheap, though...although I don't really see them fitting into a 2020 Twins team, either. 

 

The Twins also have to make decisions on Curtiss, Busenitz and Moya. Expect them all to stay because of age, promise.

 

Yes, the Twins have a lot of starter "candidates" (still have Thorpe in the wings,too).Everyone on the current roster should get 4-multi inning appearances before the end of the season. Would also give the Twins an idea if any could work in long relief (replacing, say, Duffey).

 

I would be playing Austin everyday, at first or DH. Let him get his swings. I would also play Sano at first base (if you want to move him there)instead of everyone else on the bench. Some on field decisions boogle me, as well as the inconsistent line-up construction.

 

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I have been optimistic about the Twins chances to compete in 2019. That optimism is waining. 

-Good pitchers fading down the stretch.

-Prospect pitchers aren't ready.

-The bullpen is a disaster.

-Fizzling core. 

-Front office isn't on the same page

 

Despite the Buxton drama, it would not be in his best interest to not play hard. The snub could impact his performance and attitude, but that would not work in his favor either. He can still be a productive player for the next four seasons in Minnesota.

 

Can anyone tell me who will replace Santana both in pitching and mentoring?He is still good.I am hoping Berrios, Romero and Gibson can be very good and not just average.Who else?

 

Just about anyone could replace Santana on the mound. Pineda, Mejia, or some middle of the rotation offseason FA. I'm not sure what leads you to believe he's still good. 

 

As far as mentoring, I can't speak to his clubhouse presence because they don't let me in there, but complaining publicly about the front office when he hasn't done anything himself to help the team this year doesn't seem like the behavior of a veteran mentor.

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Nick Nelson
Sep 10 2018 11:46 AM

 

As far as mentoring, I can't speak to his clubhouse presence because they don't let me in there, but complaining publicly about the front office when he hasn't done anything himself to help the team this year doesn't seem like the behavior of a veteran mentor.

Especially when that complaint is basically "they traded all our good players, what are we supposed to do?" I'm sure that's a nice thing for the folks seated around him in the clubhouse to hear. 

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Front office plan is hard to see at this moment because I just don't see the talent that could produce a tending team. The only way we become even respectable is that Buxton and Sano can produce all star numbers. Even with that there are just to many holes in there line up for the coming year we have right now nobody to fill 1st and second signed for next year. Then add in If Sano can play third or is he heading for DH role and fill in first baseman then we need a third baseman. Catcher is also open because Castro will he be ready and Garver is not ready to be full time catcher. Getting to pitching it looks to me were going to see Gibson gone by August of next year. Probably add Pineada to that list too for more future prospects. At the best for next year would be 78 and 84 team but if I was guessing were looking at 67 to 62 wins and 95 to 100 loss team for next year. That's if we stay healthy for next year add couple of injuries and loss total could climb higher in 100's. This team was gutted this year and only Ruesse of the media has come out stated the truth on this. This is why Twins pulled fast one with Buxton on service time they already know that earliest they can contend again is in 3 years thus giving them Buxton for that year. This front office has wasted two years floundering not knowing what to do because this team showed they could win last year but they were not committed to this group so they didn't invest in them. They got very little in return for this group of players Dozier basically nothing, Escobar maybe one future pitcher, and Pressely couple of pitchers but still years until we see them making impact. Remember when we used say the Twins were nothing more than Triple A club next year probably will be the year with exception of couple players on the team. This is frustrating for somebody that is old because I may never see winner again in Minnesota in my lifetime. My boy who's in his 20's has given upon the Twins he has no faith in this management and I wonder how many more of his age have had same feelings about the Twins. This serious for the Twins because they are loosing generation of fans and will take something special to win them back. Also side note on this if Vikings and Timberwolves should produce champions in next 5 years the Twins will not recover until next generation of kids can see a winning franchise. Ownership better take note they were concerned about their brand 2 years ago theyshould be sweating bullets now because their brand has even fallen farther now.

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ChrisKnutson
Sep 10 2018 01:59 PM

I have been optimistic about the Twins chances to compete in 2019. That optimism is waining. 
-Good pitchers fading down the stretch.
-Prospect pitchers aren't ready.
-The bullpen is a disaster.
-Fizzling core. 
-Front office isn't on the same page
 
Despite the Buxton drama, it would not be in his best interest to not play hard. The snub could impact his performance and attitude, but that would not work in his favor either. He can still be a productive player for the next four seasons in Minnesota.


All these issues and yet some are still clinging onto the idea that we’re a couple FA away from winning the WC game again, oh wait.....
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Sano's horrendous slide stressed his knee and bruised his lower leg. That was the pain and pain show. That would have happened if he slid like that regardless of the intramedullary nail in his tibia. For what I have read about it post occurrence, nothing regarding the rod/nail has be compromised. (I have had one in my right tibia for 27 years. No problems. Even ran a marathon.....) 

 

Sano's problems seem to have everything to do with his habits, his commitment, his shape, and his approach, and very little, if anything, to do with the procedure.

 

Just about anyone could replace Santana on the mound. Pineda, Mejia, or some middle of the rotation offseason FA. I'm not sure what leads you to believe he's still good. 

 

As far as mentoring, I can't speak to his clubhouse presence because they don't let me in there, but complaining publicly about the front office when he hasn't done anything himself to help the team this year doesn't seem like the behavior of a veteran mentor.

Good to know that you think Mejia will be better, not sure about Pineda, another player coming off an injury.Do you know any middle of the rotation that will be available AND want to come here.I was glad he said what he did.Dozier did the same thing last year. 

I thought they did a lot to improve the BP?The regulars seem to be really bad.Belisle 8.62 ERA, Busenitz 6.56 and rising, Duffey 9+ and so on.Maybe it was a different year I am thinking of.

This has never been my take...but the season is too long and they should start the playoffs in the middle of September. All of this irrelevant September baseball is a drag on the sport


Start following the NL right now -- there are some awesome races and storylines going on over there. Upwards of 6 relevant games every night.

And then come back to the AL for playoff time -- yeah, a few great teams have helped make September less exciting this year, but that could also be the recipe for a pretty compelling October.

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