Jump to content

Providing independent coverage of the Minnesota Twins.
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

The Forums

Game Thread: Twins vs. Detroit 8/17 @ 7:10 PM CT

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 08:27 PM
ANNND Welcome! To Minnesota Twins Whine Line: Christmas in August Edition! I am your host and gracious elf, Vanimal. Along with my trusty...
Full topic ›

TD Pre-Season Predictions RE-VISITED

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 08:17 PM
What seems like two season's ago the good readers of Twins Daily were asked to make the following predictions going into this fine season...
Full topic ›

Article: Getting the Twins Bullpen Right for 2019

Minnesota Twins Talk Today, 07:59 PM
It wasn't so long ago that the Twins were flush with quality righties out of the bullpen. Even though the rest of his team was lagging ar...
Full topic ›

Article: Twins Minor League Report (8/16): Every Affiliat...

Twins Minor League Talk Today, 07:18 PM
Rochester and Chattanooga won laughers, Cedar Rapids split a double-header that included the suspended game from Wednesday night, Fort My...
Full topic ›

STL 7, MIN 5: Lynn with a Dud Again

Lance Lynn had been struggling, but this was his chance at sweet, sweet revenge against his former team who showed no interest in bringing him back for 2018. He responded to the occasion by … throwing another clunker.
Image courtesy of Bruce Kluckhohn-USA TODAY Sports
Snapshot Info
Record: 18-21
Lynn: Game Score 38, 56.1 Strike%, 3.0 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 4 BB, 5 K
Bullpen: 6.0 IP, 4 ER, 5 IR, 1 IS, 5 K, 2 BB
Hitters: 3-for-8 w/RISP, 7 LOB, 6 K, 5 BB
Top 3 per WPA: Morrison .230, Rosario .173, Grossman .078

Win Expectancy Chart (via FanGraphs)
Attached Image: chart.png
Lynn only lasted three innings and it took him 82 pitches just to get that far. He walked another four batters. His ERA on the year ticked up to 7.47. Ick.

The bullpen also ran into some trouble. Taylor Rogers gave up a run while recording five outs, Ryan Pressly was charged with two earned runs in his inning of work, though one of those scored while Zach Duke was on the bump, and Phil Hughes gave up a home run to the first batter he faced. The only members of the bullpen who didn’t appear in this one were Trevor Hildenberger and Fernando Rodney. Good thing the Twins are off tomorrow.

Despite the shaky performance from the pitching staff, the Twins still had the tying run in scoring position in the bottom of the eighth inning. Logan Morrison was 2-for-3 with a walk and a home run, which was the only extra-base hit for the Twins today. Eddie Rosario was 3-for-4 with a walk and Joe Mauer picked up a pair of hits.

There was a lot of traffic on the bases in this one. The teams combined for 23 hits, 11 walks and left a total of 17 runners on base.

Next Three Games
Thu OFF
Fri vs. MIL, 7:10 pm CT
Sat vs. MIL, 6:10 pm CT
Sun vs. MIL, 1:10 pm CT

Last Three Games
MIN 4, STL 1: Berrios is Back
SEA 1, MIN 0: Twins Get LeBlanc’ed
LAA 2, MIN 1: Ohtani Excellent as Angels Walk Off Twins

More From Twins Daily
BREAKING NEWS: Jason Castro Out for the Year
Twins Daily Roundtable: Romero's Rotation Spot
"Picnic With The Saints" Ticket Prices Announced


  • Share:
  • submit to reddit
Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

Subscribe to Twins Daily Email

53 Comments

I'm trying to find a recent Twins comp. for a starting pitcher who was been worse than Lynn thus far.

 

[possibly] Worse: Trevor May 2014 (7.88 ERA, 9 starts), Vance Worley 2013 (7.21 ERA, only 5.1 K/9 in 10 starts), 2012 Nick Blackburn (7.39 ERA, 3.8 K/9, 19 starts).

 

Better: Ricky Nolasco (all years), Yohan Pino, Pedro Hernandez, P. J. Walters, Andrew Albers, Sam Deduno, Scott Diamond (at his worst), Liam Hendriks, Cole De Vries

 

Yuck. The best comparison was rookie Trevor May, when he was getting strikeouts (8.7 K/9) but walking too much (4.3 BB/9) and giving too many hits. For a veteran comparison, Lynn is pitching similarly to Vance Worley, who was basically batting practice with few strikeouts.

 

Bleh. Maybe the Twins should stop going after NL starters... Nolasco, Worley, and Lynn have all been flops.

    • Jerr, bluechipper, dgwills and 5 others like this

 

I'm trying to find a recent Twins comp. for a starting pitcher who was been worse than Lynn thus far.

 

[possibly] Worse: Trevor May 2014 (7.88 ERA, 9 starts), Vance Worley 2013 (7.21 ERA, only 5.1 K/9 in 10 starts), 2012 Nick Blackburn (7.39 ERA, 3.8 K/9, 19 starts).

 

Better: Ricky Nolasco (all years), Yohan Pino, Pedro Hernandez, P. J. Walters, Andrew Albers, Sam Deduno, Scott Diamond (at his worst), Liam Hendriks, Cole De Vries

 

Yuck. The best comparison was rookie Trevor May, when he was getting strikeouts (8.7 K/9) but walking too much (4.3 BB/9) and giving too many hits. For a veteran comparison, Lynn is pitching similarly to Vance Worley, who was basically batting practice with few strikeouts.

 

Bleh. Maybe the Twins should stop going after NL starters... Nolasco, Worley, and Lynn have all been flops.

You are forgetting the unforgettable Marquis.

    • Danchat and bighat like this

Lynn's strikeouts/9 says he has stuff as does his career history. His walks/9 says he has had command issues all year.No reason to give up on him but it is dong the team and his career no good to continue on like this.I've never like the Twins going after NL starters but his track record was better than the others and these struggles just make no sense. Let him go to the minors and figure it out.It is in his best interest also.

    • Aerodeliria likes this

Pretty glad they only signed Lynn for 1 year. Have to give the front office a lot of credit for that. I'd say it's about time for him to do get a suspicious injury and then do rehab in the minors.

    • Jerr, Danchat, bluechipper and 5 others like this

Lynn has basically given the team a chance to win twice, and they've won twice in his starts.They let him down against Houston and picked him up against Anaheim to even it out.His only quality start was against the worst team in the MLB.I know there are ups and downs with all the players, but this is about as close to no value as it gets.He's on pace for about (-2) to (-3) WAR (if that's even possible, I'm not sure if it's linear as it builds).

 

Aaron Slegers has gotta be saying, "Can I have a try?"

 

Not to mention the obvious Gonsalves

 

 

    • Jerr, 70charger, Sconnie and 4 others like this
Photo
nicksaviking
May 16 2018 04:42 PM
If the starter gets yanked after 3 and Hughes can't be trusted to go directly in and be the long man, why is he still on the team?

Hughes needs to be DFA'd, Lynn needs to be the long man and Gonsalves should get his look.
    • Jerr, SydneyTwinsFan, Mike Sixel and 22 others like this
Photo
TheLeviathan
May 16 2018 04:47 PM

 

If the starter gets yanked after 3 and Hughes can't be trusted to go directly in and be the long man, why is he still on the team?

Hughes needs to be DFA'd, Lynn needs to be the long man and Gonsalves should get his look.

 

I was coming to this thread to ask the same question.

 

Seeing Ryan Pressley in his 408th straight game makes me feel pity for the guy and wonder why Hughes wasn't the first guy in to eat the middle innings.If you don't trust him....dump him.

    • Jerr, Mike Sixel, 70charger and 9 others like this
Photo
Halsey Hall
May 16 2018 04:50 PM

I may be the only one, but I've no faith in Gonsalves pitching decent in the ML.

If the starter gets yanked after 3 and Hughes can't be trusted to go directly in and be the long man, why is he still on the team?

Hughes needs to be DFA'd, Lynn needs to be the long man and Gonsalves should get his look.


I endorse this just so Gonsalves can get his feet wet. Ideally once Erv returns he takes the last rotation spot, Lynn long man and Hughes cut.

I can't imagine Gonsalves would do much worse than Lynn.
    • Mike Sixel, Twins33, nicksaviking and 4 others like this
I've read and seen enough of Lynn now. Never wanted him in the first place since he was a primarily fastball only pitcher. Batters wait to tee up on a misplaced fastball, and know his off speed pitches won't land for a strike.

 

Lynn's strikeouts/9 says he has stuff as does his career history. His walks/9 says he has had command issues all year.No reason to give up on him but it is dong the team and his career no good to continue on like this.I've never like the Twins going after NL starters but his track record was better than the others and these struggles just make no sense. Let him go to the minors and figure it out.It is in his best interest also.

 

why not give up on him? Slegers or Gonsalves literally can't be worse than unwinnable as starters. Why not cut him and move on? He's shown no improvement all year. If not now, how many more starts like this until you would move on?

    • adorduan, bighat, Battle ur tail off and 2 others like this

I can't believe Hughes couldn't get in earlier, nor that he only pitched one inning. What is his role, other than "we are paying him a lot, so we ahve to keep him", exactly?

 

Adding a minor leaguer in his place increases payroll by 500K or so a year.....

    • Jerr, nicksaviking, TheLeviathan and 7 others like this

I can't believe Hughes couldn't get in earlier, nor that he only pitched one inning. What is his role, other than "we are paying him a lot, so we ahve to keep him", exactly?

Adding a minor leaguer in his place increases payroll by 500K or so a year.....


Personally, I feel sorry for the FO and Molitor on Hughes.
I personally believe (despite all of Ash's well thought out rebuttals) that the FO has zero desire for him to be on the team, but the Pohlad's won't let them release him.

 

Personally, I feel sorry for the FO and Molitor on Hughes.
I personally believe (despite all of Ash's well thought out rebuttals) that the FO has zero desire for him to be on the team, but the Pohlad's won't let them release him.

 

certainly possible. I hope they aren't doing that......I feel the worst for Molitor and Hughes' teammates, followed by Hughes, followed by the FO, and not at all for the owners....

    • Jerr and adorduan like this
Photo
Aerodeliria
May 16 2018 06:07 PM

As I mentioned previously, the only game I had a chance to watch this year with 'Your Minnesota Twins' was Lynn's start against the Angels. I say the following with a big grain of salt and I'm certainly no pitching coach, but his delivery looked funky. His pitches out of the strike zone don't even look like they are going to be strikes from the moment the ball leaves his hand--especially to right-handed hitters. As a consequence, nobody waved at any outside pitch the whole night. It was really frustrating watching him pitch (to be honest)...maybe they're sticking with Lynn until Santana is back (???), but Slegers would be an upgrade in the meantime, IMHO. Personally, I think Lynn may have something left in the tank, but a work-in-progress at the MLB level is reflected in losses. Maybe we could send him down for a bit to work out his issues (if he would go willingly is the question, I suppose)? It seemed to do wonders for Gibson last year...

If the starter gets yanked after 3 and Hughes can't be trusted to go directly in and be the long man, why is he still on the team?

Hughes needs to be DFA'd, Lynn needs to be the long man and Gonsalves should get his look.


Or even Slegers. Hasn't he earned another Look?

In a few weeks, Santana should be back. (Maybe May). Not sure Lynn as the long man, but what else do you do with him unless he's willing to go to Rochester to regain himself?

There is a good blog written by Ted that discusses Lynn's velocity and SO ability and suggests he's nibbling.
    • Mike Sixel, nicksaviking, 70charger and 2 others like this

There is a reason that the Cards cut bait with both Lynn and Duke. The longer this goes on, the more painful it is going to be.

    • bighat, caninatl04 and Battle ur tail off like this
Photo
nicksaviking
May 16 2018 06:52 PM
e]

I may be the only one, but I've no faith in Gonsalves pitching decent in the ML.


You're not the only one, I'm skeptical. But he's going to get his shot, might as well be now before Santana gets back seeing as the only other option is Slegers.

Objects in mirror are closer than they appear... get it together, Lance. Ervin Santana lurks right around the corner...

 

There is a reason that the Cards cut bait with both Lynn and Duke. The longer this goes on, the more painful it is going to be.

The reason the Cards cut bait with Lynn had nothing to do with thinking he would be terrible... they offered him the one year qualifying offer, so clearly they would have been OK with him there for about $17M. Lynn started asking for $20M+ on a deal and the Cards weren't interested in giving him that. (Heck, nobody was. Rightfully so.) They instead signed Miles Mikolas.

    • Jerr, Mike Sixel, Twins33 and 8 others like this
Photo
KirbyDome89
May 16 2018 08:02 PM

 

Pretty glad they only signed Lynn for 1 year. Have to give the front office a lot of credit for that. 

Yes.

No. 

Photo
bluechipper
May 16 2018 08:33 PM

Logan Morrison not sliding into 2nd base on Buxton's would-be-hit was a huge mistake. Little things like that can turn games.

    • Jerr and blindeke like this

I may be the only one, but I've no faith in Gonsalves pitching decent in the ML.


Sorry Halsey, but you may indeed be the only one.

I think we get obsessed with pure velocity sometimes, and Gonsalves sits in the low 90's. Nothing wrong with that, especially being LH. He won't be 24 until July, and is sitting at AAA, where maybe he should have been to begin the year. Have there been bumps in the road here and there and a few bad games? Yep. But wouldn't you expect that of any young pitcher? He has always seemingly made adjustments at each level and produced. Not a SO machine, and a few problems with walks here and there, nevertheless, he's never had a WHIP above 1.14. In 514 IP he has allowed 366 hits. And he is just shy of a 3-1 SO/BB ratio in his milb career.

What's not to like there?

I wouldn't expect him to come up and flash like Romero. And there will be some bad days, I'm sure. (Sooner or later, Romero will have his too). IMO, he has that "pitchability" quotient that is so important. I think he could end up being a quality #2, probably a very nice #3, and at worse a really good #4.
    • Twins33, ThejacKmp, Danchat and 1 other like this

Too bad they can't get their comp pick back if they cut him. I wonder if anyone would risk trading a 3rd rounder for Lynn as a reclamation project. The Twins would break even.

 

Also, they'd be a .500+ team without the games Lynn has started.

 

    • bighat likes this

Too bad they can't get their comp pick back if they cut him. I wonder if anyone would risk trading a 3rd rounder for Lynn as a reclamation project. The Twins would break even.

Also, they'd be a .500+ team without the games Lynn has started.


Draft picks can't be traded in mlb.
    • ThejacKmp and Jham like this

Similar Articles


by Heezy1323 , Yesterday, 04:46 PM
Photo


by John Bonnes , 12 Aug 2018
Photo


by Tom Froemming , 11 Aug 2018
Photo


by Tom Froemming , 07 Aug 2018
Photo


by John Bonnes , 05 Aug 2018
Photo