2017 Twins Player Predictions: Joe Mauer
Mar 28 2017 10:06 AM |
Seth Stohs
in Minnesota Twins
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KEY NUMBERS
.224 (.610) / .272 (.793) - As you would probably guess, these numbers are Mauer’s lefty-righty splits in 2016. Even with the struggles in the final six weeks, Mauer put up solid numbers against right-handers. However, he really struggled against same-siders. Although he’s always hit better against right-handers, he had always put up solid numbers against lefties. The last couple of years, his performance against lefties has dropped. In the second half, Mauer rarely started against lefties, even before the injury. A platoon at first base for the Twins makes a lot of sense due to his production, but also in an attempt to keep those legs with all those catcher innings on them.
87 - When Joe Mauer plays his 87th game of 2017, he will have passed Rod Carew and Tony Oliva and be in fourth place in games played for the Twins. Also, if Mauer accumulates 100 hits this season, he’ll pass Tony Oliva and move into third place on the Twins list. When Mauer walks for the 17th time this year, he’ll pass Kent Hrbek into second place on the Twins list, trailing only Kent Hrbek. He’s already in the Top 10 in most Twins offensive categories. It should be fun watching him pass some of the greats in the Twins history.
PREDICTIONS
Joe Mauer: 381 at-bats, .281/.350/.404 (.754), 19 doubles, 2 triples, 9 home runs.
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I believe that the Twins and specifically Paul Molitor needs to be strict in making himself give Mauer days off, even two a week. Ideally, he’ll give those days off when left-handers start against the Twins. If they can keep his legs strong and put him into situations to succeed, it should show up in his statistics as well.
My prediction is that Mauer will play in about 115 games. He’ll continue to walk, though at a slightly lesser rate. He has become a very good defensive first baseman, and that will also be a very important piece to the Twins puzzle if he can help keep the errors down for the left side of the Twins infield. I think Byungho Park will get a lot of playing time at first base throughout 2017, particularly against right-handers.
YOUR TURN
Your turn. Share your thoughts on and predictions on Joe Mauer in 2017. We can take a look back at the end of the season and see how we did.
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.750 OPS is pretty lofty, but it's possible if he doesn't play against lefties. Not sure if I trust Molly to sit Mauer as much as we would like this season.
I think he settles in with a .700-.730 OPS for his last full season of starting.
I think you're absolutely right about limiting Mauer's games played to the 115-120 area, or roughly 75% of the time.I was beating this drum last year. He will be a substantially more effective player if he plays less and avoids good left handed pitching. The new FO and Molitor seem to get this and their roster construction suggests they're ready. It looks like the team is keeping Park, the better fielding 1B as the DH rather than Vargas, and Grossman - two guys who can hit LH pitching. Assuming the team limits Mauer's starts, I would predict a little better year than you do:
400 ABs, .284/.375/.415 (.790), 23 doubles, 2 triples, 9 HRs , 65 RBIs ( i know we don't care about RBIs, but they do keep track). Good defense, solid production.
I am going to be a little more optimistic about Mauer this year. I think he plays in the 120-125 games this year. His facing lefty stats will improve.
425AB, .295 avg. And i am going for 15 HR's. Why....i don't know. Optimism.
I'm going even more optimistic and saying Joe will put up an .820 OPS. More rest, a stronger lineup around him, fewer games against lefties and some better BABIP luck and that number is not out of reach (see August last year).
I should admit I've always been a Mauer lover. I'll never change. Don't trust what I say.
Kind of makes me wish I'd appreciated Mauer's peak years all the more. I was probably too busy complaining about a lack of playoff wins or something Kevin Slowey-related.
Yeah. If healthy, I still like him to hit .775-.800. But he's gotta stay healthy!
Because of minimal exposure to LHP, BA is up, K's are down. Leads the team in hitting into double plays. Continues to hit too many ground balls. Extra base hits are about the same. Power is minimal and the opposition plays him to hit the other way - which he does. His 2 trips to the DL for vague ailments result in a call up of Vargas and increased time at DH by both Vargas and Grossman. After the season is over, Joe seriously considers retirement as he can no longer perform at the level he was accustomed to in his earlier/younger years. Quietly, the Twins hope he calls it a career.
I think if Mauer has his AB against LHP severely limited and he can retain his lofty BB% he has a good chance at:
400 AB, .275 BA, .375 OBP, .390 SLG (.765).
12 - 18 doubles, 5 - 8 home runs.
And a triple. Mauer should hit a triple.
So much of this depends on where in the world Moliter puts him in the batting order. 1st? 2nd? 5th? I'd assume he's mostly done batting 3rd? Regardless of where he hits, I think he can still put up a modest .800 OPS with an average around .270. Regardless of where he hits, he needs to be a clutch hitter for the Twins. 49 RBI and 1 homerun with runners on base, is not going to cut it. If only he could hit in every count like it was 3-2 (.359 average, .484 slugging). Unfortunately I'd say he gets a bit less than 400 at bats, and ends up with 7 homeruns and 45-50 RBI.
LED lights for night games? They say the visibility overall will be better.
2016 Mauer AVG: Daytime (.291) ; Nighttime (.245)
I like the idea of limiting his starts against LHP. I hope that helps to buoy his slash line both by playing to his strength against RHP & by allowing him extra rest as he gets older. Park seems to be hitting well enough to be a great substitute in the lineup against LHP.
My expectations are relatively high for him this year. Why? Because for the first time in 5 years there are no expectations, improved strength, flexibility, eye sight, etc. It seems this year he is just a baseball player coming in after a subpar season. Everyone gets banged up over the course of the season and then heals up going into spring. Due to this I expect him bat around .315 going into June. However, because of his performance Molitor will begin playing him too much and the batting average will decline until Molitor realizes the rest is what got him to the .315 range. .
Final Line: .291/.397/.409 8 HR
Lots of optimism for a nearly 34 year old.
I say he does what he did last year, rate wise. Counting wise? Adjust for 120 games.
So, about the 18-20th best 1B in the league.
As for Park staying, they got lucky no one claimed him, I guess. Because if they thought he was going to be here, they never would have cut* him.
*or whatever fancy word MLB uses for what the transaction was.
I knew Hrbek was big, but he's so big he occupies third and first place in walks? I am guessing first is Harmon? total guess.
Fangraphs projection:
Name PA AVG OBP SLG wOBA Bat BsR Fld WAR
Joe Mauer 455 .268 .355 .390 .322 -0.5 -0.5 1.3 0.8
They project the Twins to be 18th in 1B WAR this year, give or take.
that would make him 10-15% more productive than last year on a rate basis! That seems optimistic, but I hope you are right.
Honestly, while I don't think they're impossible numbers for him to reach, I think the only one he even comes close to is doubles.
Given his age, injury history and recent track record due to both, I think .281 is unlikely, as are the HRs and the OPS.
I think .265, with 6 and .715 are more likely.
Not saying he won't reach Seth's predictions, but I just don't see it.
I am not able to project Mauer's hitting for 2017. I do not think he will improve except as Molitor removes him from games where he is destined to fail. So I went crazy trying to see how players decline and learned a lot.
http://www.fangraphs...k-only-decline/ has a key statement - In the past few seasons, hitters no longer improve once they arrive in the majors. Instead, their performance is constant until they begin to decline, which, on average, is at 26 years old. (This is an reminder of why players like Vargas need to play now if we want to maximize their potential.)
Since Mauer strained his body by being a catcher I looked at the aging curve for catchers - http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/catcher-aging-is-a-curve-not-a-cliff/ which has an interesting insight - As we can see, peak offensive levels are from 25 to 28, as is pretty commonly accepted, and then there’s a gradual decline as a player gets beyond those years. But notice the trend of the blue line (catchers) compared to all position players (the red line); they move basically in lock-step from 27 to 32, after which point catchers actually age better than the norms for non-catchers.
And - Good 34 year olds don’t regularly become bad 35 year olds. In general, you should expect players to decline at something like +0.5 per season. If they’re especially injury prone and their bodies are breaking down, limiting future playing time, maybe you knock off +0.75 WAR per season.
The next site I looked at said - hough he's not part of the study, it's worth pointing out that the decline outlined in the above graphs applies to Pujols. His 9.4 WAR in his age-29 season in 2009 was the highest of his career, but since then, his WAR totals have been trending in the wrong direction. He had a 7.3 WAR at age 30, a 5.1 WAR at age 31 and a 4.6 WAR this past season at age 32. http://bleacherrepor...on-star-players
This next piece seems to indicate that players decline, but flatten for a period in the thirties http://www.fangraphs...the-mainstream/ the relative production from 32-35 is pretty stable, and as others have shown, framing skills seem mostly immune to aging. So, while the downturn in aging curves might be bad news for a 32 year old catcher. Of course Mauer is not a catcher so his pitch framing and other catching skills cannot overcome his physical decline (but give hope for Castro).
But Mauer also had a concussion - "Recent work, however, has called into question the assertion that full recovery after sport concussion without persistent adverse effects is the norm." https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC3685434/
And lastly another site may apply to Joe - ""Although players who sustain a concussion may be symptom-free and cleared by MLB [Major League Baseball] protocol to return to play, the residual effects of concussion on the complex motor skills required for batting may still be a problem," said principal investigator Dr. Jeffrey Bazarian, an associate professor of emergency medicine at the University of Rochester in New York." http://www.webmd.com...ger-study-finds
With that in mind I think we cannot expect upswings from Joe at this stage, but we should understand that this great players has many factors leading to his current production.
He'll put up less than 60 RBI, a lower SLG than every regular first baseman in MLB, and spend time on the DL with some non specific ailment or another.
Sorry....the guy just annoys me.
Yeah, I have to agree with you. It has seemed to me that Mr. Mauer has not adjusted his approach as pitchers adjust to him. It looks to me like opposing pitchers are taking advantage of the free strike they are given.
I'm cautiously optimistic about Mauer. in 2016 his K% was down and BB% was up vs 2015. Also, he improved his batted ball profile in literally every category last year. More hard hit balls, fewer softly hit balls, fewer ground balls, more flies and liners, higher HR/FB%, and fewer infield flies. Yet his BABIP went down. That screams bad luck.