• The Scope of a Rebuild

    There is little debate over the fact that the Twins' moves this offseason haven't done much to help ensure significant improvement in 2013. This club appears to have its sights set fully on a target somewhere further down the line. Among fans and media, there seems to be a split between people who question this approach and those who accept it.

    Whatever your feelings on the matter, it's important to be realistic about the timeline for building a contending team around players that are currently in Double-A (or lower). It's also important to remain cognizant of the organization's outlook going forward.

    Minnesota's present payroll commitment for this year of about $80 million has been a much bandied number. But the numbers get more interesting as you start to look ahead. By using Jeremy Nygaard's excellent Roster & Payroll resource, we can see that in 2014 the team is tied up for about $45 million in six existing contracts. They will have many league-minimum youngsters and a number of players eligible for arbitration (many for the first time) but you could generously assume that $20 million will be more than enough to cover all that. It'd still leave them an Albert Pujols short of their 2012 level.

    The following year, with Josh Willingham, Kevin Correia, Jared Burton and Ryan Doumit eligible to come off the books, the Twins aren't attached to anyone beyond Joe Mauer and Glen Perkins.

    This organization has been burdened by some bad contracts in recent seasons, but in two years the Twins are looking at only $26 million in firmly committed money, which is undeniably an enviable position for a rebuilding team. They will have a great deal of flexibility to sign strong performers to contract extensions, fill holes that they can't patch internally and perhaps even make a blockbuster signing. It's not hard to see the big-picture wisdom in this strategy.

    At the same time, they would have had plenty of flexibility even if they splurged on more than the Correia and Mike Pelfrey types in an effort to boost the quality of their current product. And if they thought signing free agents has been challenging this winter, the competition for desirable players only figures to get tougher going forward with fewer options available and more teams eager to spend added revenues.

    It sounds like Terry Ryan is at least somewhat interested in luring Joe Saunders, which would change the complexion of this offseason somewhat, but if that doesn't happen and he moves forward with what he has, it would signal his belief in a few things.

    First, that the current pipeline will produce a core capable of taking this team to the next level, and quickly enough that the organization is not mired in this dismal state for three or four more years.

    Second, that the pieces he needs to add through free agency and trade (and there will be needs) will be available and will be better investments than pitchers added with multi-year deals now.

    Finally, that this year's team – which does feature a number of quality players between Mauer, Morneau, Willingham, Doumit, Perkins and others – will not be particularly close to competitive and that he won't regret taking such minimal steps to provide them with legitimate help.

    I'm skeptical about all those things proving true, but they seem to be the gambles Ryan is prepared to take. He's the guy in charge and it's safe to say he knows a little more about this whole rodeo than me or any other fan expressing puzzlement with his approach, so with the season drawing near, I guess we'll just have to hop on board and hope for the best.
    This article was originally published in blog: The Scope of a Rebuild started by Nick Nelson
    Comments 52 Comments
    1. mnfanforlife's Avatar
      mnfanforlife -
      Quote Originally Posted by FrodaddyG View Post
      So basically, trade them for "something". That's not a proposal, that's a vague, non-committal statement. I'd also recommend the Twins draft well, get back more than they give in all other trades, and sign the best valued free agents every season, since we're going out on such limbs here.
      There was nothing wrong with my post. It was intelligent and did not demean anyone or anything. I explain how M & W do not have static value. Was a great post really. Your posts are pretty mean, FroGdaddy, and I'm sure you'll reply to this with more attacks and rudeness.
    1. old nurse's Avatar
      old nurse -
      Quote Originally Posted by FrodaddyG View Post
      So basically, trade them for "something". That's not a proposal, that's a vague, non-committal statement. I'd also recommend the Twins draft well, get back more than they give in all other trades, and sign the best valued free agents every season, since we're going out on such limbs here.
      By prospect top list posted here Ryan did good on drafting. By the same lists and comments, Ryan has done well so far on trades. Except for pitchers, people seem to be ok with Carrol as a utility player, Willingham and Doumit. So Ryan must be doing a fair job for the most part by your recommendations
    1. FrodaddyG's Avatar
      FrodaddyG -
      Quote Originally Posted by mnfanforlife View Post
      Was a great post really.
      The "intelligence" behind a post whose sole premise is "they should get the most they can for an asset" is akin to "you should avoid getting hit by a car when crossing the street". It's stating that it would be a good plan is to shoot for the ideal outcome every time. That's common freaking sense, not overly insightful. But don't let me get in the way of self-congratulating the greatness of your posts.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Ryan said recently he has very little to do with the draft...that he was much more involved in the draft in the last few years when he wasn't GM. He said he lets them do their thing.

      '
      DL: What is your role in the draft?
      TR: Not too much. I watch and listen. I do go to see some [players]. I see some. Just enough to be dangerous. That dabbling in the scouting world is a dangerous situation, because you don’t have a very good cross-section of what’s out there. I can do the skills, and I can do the makeup, probably. It doesn’t take any genius to go out and run a stopwatch or look at a radar gun or mechanics, and evaluate the skills. If you’ve been around, you can do that. But where does he go country-wise? Is he up here, or is he down here? I don’t see enough to be able to slot him in very well. That’s when it’s dangerous. That’s why I stay out of it and let our scouting department make the choices. They are the ones that live and die with it 365 days out of the year. I’m only a dabbler and that’s not good. Last year I was much more involved, because I wasn’t the GM.'

      Q&A: Terry Ryan, Twins general manager | FanGraphs Baseball
    1. old nurse's Avatar
      old nurse -
      Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
      Ryan said recently he has very little to do with the draft...that he was much more involved in the draft in the last few years when he wasn't GM. He said he lets them do their thing.

      '
      DL: What is your role in the draft?
      TR: Not too much. I watch and listen. I do go to see some [players]. I see some. Just enough to be dangerous. That dabbling in the scouting world is a dangerous situation, because you don’t have a very good cross-section of what’s out there. I can do the skills, and I can do the makeup, probably. It doesn’t take any genius to go out and run a stopwatch or look at a radar gun or mechanics, and evaluate the skills. If you’ve been around, you can do that. But where does he go country-wise? Is he up here, or is he down here? I don’t see enough to be able to slot him in very well. That’s when it’s dangerous. That’s why I stay out of it and let our scouting department make the choices. They are the ones that live and die with it 365 days out of the year. I’m only a dabbler and that’s not good. Last year I was much more involved, because I wasn’t the GM.'

      Q&A: Terry Ryan, Twins general manager | FanGraphs Baseball
      nice article, thanks.
      Liked this one, too.

      DL: There is a perception that your organization drafts and develops strike throwers, but not hard throwers.
      TR: Well you can’t make a guy a hard thrower — more than likely — unless he already possesses arm strength. You can get a young, frail-bodied guy and once he develops and matures and so forth… and we got plenty of hard-throwers. But we do like strike-throwers. There’s no doubt about that. Number one, usually when you get strike-throwers, that means they’ve got pretty good mechanics and pretty good deliveries. That usually means they stay healthy. Everybody likes that. So, if there’s a hard-thrower out there, we like him. We’ve had a lot of success with the Radkes of the world. Santana threw hard. You show me a hard-thrower that’s available and I guarantee you we’ll take a good look at him.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
      DL: There is a perception that your organization drafts and develops strike throwers, but not hard throwers.
      TR: Well you can’t make a guy a hard thrower — more than likely — unless he already possesses arm strength. You can get a young, frail-bodied guy and once he develops and matures and so forth… and we got plenty of hard-throwers. But we do like strike-throwers. There’s no doubt about that. Number one, usually when you get strike-throwers, that means they’ve got pretty good mechanics and pretty good deliveries. That usually means they stay healthy. Everybody likes that. So, if there’s a hard-thrower out there, we like him. We’ve had a lot of success with the Radkes of the world. Santana threw hard. You show me a hard-thrower that’s available and I guarantee you we’ll take a good look at him.
      Yeah, I read the whole thing. What's the point? They like strike throwers first and foremost. We know this. My point is, people are giving Ryan a bunch of credit for this last draft...and he says right in this interview he's barely involved. My favorite part of that is when he says they usually 'stay healthy'. Big irony there. And he is basically saying, he's looking for Radke's.
    1. Kwak's Avatar
      Kwak -
      Now we know why there is so much optimism in the 2012 Rule 4 draft.
    1. old nurse's Avatar
      old nurse -
      The point was his comment on hard throwers.
      You show me a hard-thrower that’s available and I guarantee you we’ll take a good look at him.
      That, in light of comments made by others on a thread, I thought was interesting.

      If the draft was a failure who would get the blame but Ryan? If a trade is bad, who gets the blame but Ryan? When they do or don't sign mediocre pitchers as free agents who gets the blame? Ryan makes the decision presumably from data. Who is the one in all of the cases collecting the data, scouts. If there are bad decisions and Ryan is to blame, than he gets the credit when they do well.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      Ryan does not run the draft, the head scout does. In most MLB organizations, unlike every other sport, the GM cedes the draft to the head of scouting. Now, Ryan might hire that guy, so ultimately it is on him, but he runs his org like most every other MLB org.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by mike wants wins View Post
      Ryan does not run the draft, the head scout does. In most MLB organizations, unlike every other sport, the GM cedes the draft to the head of scouting. Now, Ryan might hire that guy, so ultimately it is on him, but he runs his org like most every other MLB org.
      Yup, that's what I was saying.

      Ryan also hand picked Smith to take his place as GM :-)
    1. Nick Nelson's Avatar
      Nick Nelson -
      Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
      Ryan makes the decision presumably from data. Who is the one in all of the cases collecting the data, scouts. If there are bad decisions and Ryan is to blame, than he gets the credit when they do well.
      Yes, he is the general manager and the chief executive. Comes with the territory. He's the highest-profile member of the front office and also quite likely the most highly paid. What is your point?
    1. mnfanforlife's Avatar
      mnfanforlife -
      The head scout possibly had something to do with the Hardy trade? and Nishioka?
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