• Correia Signing is a Sad Thing

    Terry Ryan has seemed exasperated when discussing his efforts on the free agent market this offseason. In an interview on MLB Network shortly after the Ben Revere trade took place, the Twins' general manager reacted incredulously to Ken Rosenthal's suggestion that it might behoove him to get on his horse and sign a pitcher.

    "We've tried," Ryan chuckled. "Sometimes you just can't give your money away."

    Well, Terry, you have finally managed to accomplish that much.

    The pitching-starved Twins finally made their first foray into free agency on Monday night, inking right-hander Kevin Correia to a two-year, $10 million deal.

    Here's what we had to say about Correia in the Offseason Handbook:

    Correia is a back-end starter in the low-strikeout, OK-control, pitch-to-contact mold. Even this year with the Pirates, a year in which he posted a 4.21 ERA, he was the guy bumped to the bullpen when they acquired Wandy Rodriguez at the deadline. But he’s relatively young, cheap and fairly durable. Unfortunately, he has also spent his entire eight-year MLB career in the National League. There is no guarantee the limited success he has experienced there would carry over to the AL (see: Marquis, Jason).
    The final parenthetical sums it up nicely. We predicted he'd land a one-year, $2.5 million contract – similar to what Jason Marquis got last year – and that's probably around where the Twins started. But in this inflated market, there is apparently no such thing as a one-year deal. Not even for a 32-year-old who has only once topped 171 innings, has one of the worst strikeout rates in baseball, and hasn't posted an ERA+ above 100 since 2007.

    Correia was a fourth-round pick out of college who reached the majors quickly and had some early success. But as he's aged, the quality of his stuff has diminished. When he was 26, he struck out 18.3 percent of the batters he faced. Last year, 12.2 percent. As the Handbook blurb mentions, he was bumped from the Pirates rotation midway through this past season.

    And he gets $10 million.

    This is depressing because it means one of two things. Either that Ryan actually believes a player with these attributes is worth jumping on when there are plenty of other names on the board, or that he is having so little luck attracting free agents of any caliber that he felt the need to lock up the first offer that someone – anyone – finally accepted. The GM may have feared that if he didn't act on an opportunity, he might be left with nothing.

    Then again, nothing probably would have been preferable to Correia. He's been a bad pitcher in the National League over the past three years and he's aging into his mid-30s. It's not clear that he's a significantly better option than Liam Hendriks or Sam Deduno, particularly if you're building toward a future contender.

    And he gets $10 million.

    This is one of the most outrageous contracts in an offseason that's been full of them. It's too bad the Twins had to be the ones to sign it. They'd have been better off adding that $10 million on top of an offer to a pitcher who could actually make a difference.

    Maybe not even that would be enough to entice a legitimate starter to join this club. If that's the case, then the 2013 Twins truly are hopeless.
    This article was originally published in blog: Correia Signing is a Sad Thing started by Nick Nelson
    Comments 166 Comments
    1. biffman77's Avatar
      biffman77 -
      A rotation of Correia, Diamond, Vanimal, and whoever, looks slightly better than, Diamond, Vanimal, and whoever. Besides, How many of our pitchers threw over 150+ innings last year? 200+ might be nice, but I'll take 179 too.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by biffman77 View Post
      Money simply isn't enough to lure prime talent to a team that's lost 95+. Personally, I'm not that bent outta shape about it. In this new drug free era of baseball, you cant invest big money in 30 something starters and expect an even modest return. You have to get young pitching, harness it while their healthy, and let someone else make the mistake of overpaying for past accomplishments. How much of Greinke's contract, will he actually earn? What did we really lose when we traded Johan Santana? About 1 and a half seasons of decent, not elite pitching, which the Mets are still paying for. In the mean while, we need somebody, anybody, to at least hold down a spot, until the prospects are ready.
      Johan's first year with the Mets he led the majors in ERA and quality starts while leading the NL in IP (3rd in the majors). His next year he had an ERA of 3.19 and the next year he had an ERA of 2.98
    1. biffman77's Avatar
      biffman77 -
      It does make me wonder what Lannan, Liriano, and Saunders will be worth. My Guess is 7-9 mil, each.
    1. biffman77's Avatar
      biffman77 -
      I stand corrected sir. Most kind
    1. JB_Iowa's Avatar
      JB_Iowa -
      Question; is it just the 95 losses that makes it difficult to lure pitchers? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson is the Twins pitching coach? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson MAY only be the pitching coach for 2013 and that Ron Gardenhire MAY only be the manager for 2013? What effect does the organization's prior pitching philosophy have (and is that philosophy gone)? What effect does the organization's historical stinginess on free agent pitching (and, for that matter, on extensions) have?

      I don't think its JUST the 95 losses that make pitchers reluctant to sign in Minnesota. Gut feeling is that there's a whole slew of factors at play but that's all it is, a gut feeling.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
      Question; is it just the 95 losses that makes it difficult to lure pitchers? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson is the Twins pitching coach? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson MAY only be the pitching coach for 2013 and that Ron Gardenhire MAY only be the manager for 2013? What effect does the organization's prior pitching philosophy have (and is that philosophy gone)? What effect does the organization's historical stinginess on free agent pitching (and, for that matter, on extensions) have?

      I don't think its JUST the 95 losses that make pitchers reluctant to sign in Minnesota. Gut feeling is that there's a whole slew of factors at play but that's all it is, a gut feeling.
      And one of those factors could be...Twins don't make the best offer...
    1. biffman77's Avatar
      biffman77 -
      All though he only reached 200+ innings only the first year, and further clogged up the Mets payroll situation.
    1. Boom Boom's Avatar
      Boom Boom -
      Maybe Correia can post better numbers with Butera as his personal catcher.
    1. biffman77's Avatar
      biffman77 -
      These pitcher are free agents. They can play wherever they choose. There are many teams with needs for pitching, and hope for immediate success. You probably could overpay for a pitcher like Shaun Marcum or Anibal Sanchez, but then the question becomes, Are we a Marcum or Sanchez away from being a contender now?
    1. biffman77's Avatar
      biffman77 -
      I'm just waiting for the Liriano news.
    1. mike wants wins's Avatar
      mike wants wins -
      But you are not adding Sanchez or Marcum for 1 year....so the questions are....do you punt on 2012....do you believe you can sign anyone this year that will help in 1 or 2 years.....signing guys is not about only next year.
    1. old nurse's Avatar
      old nurse -
      Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
      Question; is it just the 95 losses that makes it difficult to lure pitchers? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson is the Twins pitching coach? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson MAY only be the pitching coach for 2013 and that Ron Gardenhire MAY only be the manager for 2013? What effect does the organization's prior pitching philosophy have (and is that philosophy gone)? What effect does the organization's historical stinginess on free agent pitching (and, for that matter, on extensions) have?

      I don't think its JUST the 95 losses that make pitchers reluctant to sign in Minnesota. Gut feeling is that there's a whole slew of factors at play but that's all it is, a gut feeling.
      And one of those factors could be...Twins don't make the best offer...
      Name one higher profile pitcher then that signed a FA contract with a last place team?
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by biffman77 View Post
      Are we a Marcum or Sanchez away from being a contender now?
      Then why even get Corriea...I mean, seriously. Why? Not being a jerk, just wondering. This move doesn't get us any better, so why make it. If we're not going to even attempt to be respectable, why even make this move...and for two years
    1. Top Gun's Avatar
      Top Gun -
      2013 The worst twins team ever.
    1. ThePuck's Avatar
      ThePuck -
      Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
      Question; is it just the 95 losses that makes it difficult to lure pitchers? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson is the Twins pitching coach? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson MAY only be the pitching coach for 2013 and that Ron Gardenhire MAY only be the manager for 2013? What effect does the organization's prior pitching philosophy have (and is that philosophy gone)? What effect does the organization's historical stinginess on free agent pitching (and, for that matter, on extensions) have?

      I don't think its JUST the 95 losses that make pitchers reluctant to sign in Minnesota. Gut feeling is that there's a whole slew of factors at play but that's all it is, a gut feeling.
      And one of those factors could be...Twins don't make the best offer...
      Name one higher profile pitcher then that signed a FA contract with a last place team?
      I was adding in another possible factor to his list...since it does seem MOST players go where they get paid the most.

      To answer your statement, most of the teams willing to spend a good chunk on free agents aren't usually in last place...cause they get the talent. So even if it's never happened, it doesn't prove anything.
    1. Ultima Ratio's Avatar
      Ultima Ratio -
      Kevin Correia, Twins agree to terms - Bucs Dugout

      What the one Pirates Blog is saying. In short, they (we, cause I'm a Pittsburger) don't get the money or the years -- the whole signing really.
    1. nicksaviking's Avatar
      nicksaviking -
      Quote Originally Posted by old nurse View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by ThePuck View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by JB_Iowa View Post
      Question; is it just the 95 losses that makes it difficult to lure pitchers? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson is the Twins pitching coach? What effect (if any) does it have that Rick Anderson MAY only be the pitching coach for 2013 and that Ron Gardenhire MAY only be the manager for 2013? What effect does the organization's prior pitching philosophy have (and is that philosophy gone)? What effect does the organization's historical stinginess on free agent pitching (and, for that matter, on extensions) have?

      I don't think its JUST the 95 losses that make pitchers reluctant to sign in Minnesota. Gut feeling is that there's a whole slew of factors at play but that's all it is, a gut feeling.
      And one of those factors could be...Twins don't make the best offer...
      Name one higher profile pitcher then that signed a FA contract with a last place team?
      The Rockies signed Jeff Francis for $1.5 million and only had to give him 1 year. That signing would have only been mildly annoying, not upsetting like this two-year slap in the face. The other bottom feeders haven't done anything, just as Ryan shouldn't have unless he was going after a top of the rotation arm.
    1. chagen's Avatar
      chagen -
      We get Kevin Correia and i hear the Tigers were trying to get James Shields doesn't seem right does it? They have quality starting pitching and are trying to acquire more. We pick up Kevin Correia and we wonder why we haven't won anything in over 20 years.
    1. CDog's Avatar
      CDog -
      Quote Originally Posted by chagen View Post
      We get Kevin Correia and i hear the Tigers were trying to get James Shields doesn't seem right does it? They have quality starting pitching and are trying to acquire more. We pick up Kevin Correia and we wonder why we haven't won anything in over 20 years.
      How many starts do you suppose Shields will make for the Tigers this year?
    1. StormJH1's Avatar
      StormJH1 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Ultima Ratio View Post
      Kevin Correia, Twins agree to terms - Bucs Dugout

      What the one Pirates Blog is saying. In short, they (we, cause I'm a Pittsburger) don't get the money or the years -- the whole signing really.
      Interesting. I do like getting out of the Minnesota Bubble for some outside perspective on our moves. On the other hand, I'm not sure the Pirates should be throwing stones, since they handed (at least) $15 million to Jose Tabata before they realized he doesn't even belong in the majors right now.

      I'm just not really sure what people expected to happen. If they were going to find someone to take only one year, it probably be in January or February after the market is REALLY picked over and the only guys left are even worse than Correia.

      I mean, some people liked Joe Blanton. I really liked Brandon McCarthy, but if you follow him (or his wife) on Twitter, these people are human beings. Not only are they driven by the most years and most money they can get (which probably wouldn't be the Twins), but they might value playing for a team that isn't one of the worst in the MLB. Or they may have family/personal reasons for preferring one market over another (McCarthy's wife was an Arizona grad). So just because the numbers weren't that far off doesn't mean any particular team was actually "close" to signing some other guy you wanted.
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